Re: Bears Offseason Thread

[jersey cubs fan]

i like this, though. cutler is a superior talent to manning, physically, in every way. if he can be taught how to recognize coverages and change pass protections a fraction as well as manning does, the bears could be a solid contender for the rest of his career. i like the idea of cutler being turned loose and not restricted, and the way manning's protection develops as he's in the pocket, he could cause some damage running the ball if he were as agile as cutler.

 

Given his ties to Indy's system, I do think he's more intriguing than the guy from Baltimore who went to Oakland. If he is the top pick, I would hope there's been some back channel discussions where he's indicated his own interest. You can't go this long waiting for your guy without knowing the score.

[rawaction]

Crap. One problem with Christensen is he is supposedly next in line for Colts OC. Current Colts OC Tom Mora is supposed to retire after this year. So, I don't think Christensen will be available.

[Sosa21MVP]

What is John Shoop up to nowadays? :-))

[jersey cubs fan]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/01/marinelli-still-an-option-for-bears-defensive-post.html

 

Marinelli might end up with the DC job, which was my guess when this all started.

[Mark Priors Calves]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/01/marinelli-still-an-option-for-bears-defensive-post.html

 

Marinelli might end up with the DC job, which was my guess when this all started.

I wonder if the OC spot ends up in Tice's hands.

[Magnetic Curses]

why on earth would anyone take the oakland job over the bears job?

[SouthSideRyan]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/01/marinelli-still-an-option-for-bears-defensive-post.html

 

Marinelli might end up with the DC job, which was my guess when this all started.

I wonder if the OC spot ends up in Tice's hands.

 

Mike Sherman for Special Teams!

[jersey cubs fan]

why on earth would anyone take the oakland job over the bears job?

 

Because Oakland was the only one with a contract offer.

[Magnetic Curses]

why on earth would anyone take the oakland job over the bears job?

 

Because Oakland was the only one with a contract offer.

 

good point, but still....

[jersey cubs fan]

why on earth would anyone take the oakland job over the bears job?

 

Because Oakland was the only one with a contract offer.

 

good point, but still....

 

But still what? Oakland offered him a job, and the Bears offered him a chance to interview. If he felt he was not the favorite in Chicago, it was a no brainer to take the Oakland job. The first to interview is often the first to offer and first to sign a guy. Head coach candidates with existing jobs will often pass up ugly situations, but position coaches and coordinators will take what they can get if the money is there.

[Magnetic Curses]

i was attempting humor, there.

[UMFan83]

Maybe Lovie should just take over offensive playcalling.

 

This is Dave McGinnis embarrassing.

[Soul]

I do think there's an element of coaches thinking twice before coming to Chicago, because of Lovie's situation (not becuase they dislike Lovie -- there's an important distinction there). That doesn't mean it's the only factor, and it doesn't mean that's the exact single reason why a coach wouldn't come here.

 

And let's be honest. Who cares about Hue Jackson? He's probably the last guy I would want running an offense led by Jay Cutler. Glad to see he went to the Raiders. I'd rather hire some college hot shot than him.

 

I don't think this is the end of the world, and I'm fine with just taking our time at this point. Lots of people make hay about offseason antics. When the season starts, things often change dramatically, and all the hand-wringing that occurred in months like January, or June, or even August, seems silly in retrospect.

 

So I'm willing to just let the Bears do what they have to do. It's not like we have a choice, but still. I'll give them some latitude.

[jersey cubs fan]

I do think there's an element of coaches thinking twice before coming to Chicago, because of Lovie's situation

 

Thinking twice, maybe. But that cannot have weighed an ounce in this decision if the guy went to Oakland. Say whatever you want about the Bears, they are not nearly the mess the Raiders are. Chicago is way above the dregs of the league. Lovie is no more unsettled than most coaches who didn't make the playoffs this year, even if his situation is more public this offseason.

[Soul]

I do think there's an element of coaches thinking twice before coming to Chicago, because of Lovie's situation

 

Thinking twice, maybe. But that cannot have weighed an ounce in this decision if the guy went to Oakland. Say whatever you want about the Bears, they are not nearly the mess the Raiders are. Chicago is way above the dregs of the league. Lovie is no more unsettled than most coaches who didn't make the playoffs this year, even if his situation is more public this offseason.

 

I think you are right about Jackson. He's going to grab the contract when it is offered. He's not in a position to be playing organizations against each other. He needs to jump at the job when it is on the table. Raiders wanted him much more than we did, and I'm fine with that.

[Rusch33]

Lovie's a lame duck and everyone knows it. Should have just kept Turner, and finished it out.

 

That's why no one wants the job.

[jersey cubs fan]

Lovie's a lame duck and everyone knows it. Should have just kept Turner, and finished it out.

 

That's why no one wants the job.

 

wrong

[rawaction]

Lovie's a lame duck and everyone knows it. Should have just kept Turner, and finished it out.

 

That's why no one wants the job.

 

Shoulda fired Lovie and you wouldn't have to worry about hiring assistants because the new head coach would have brought his own.

[Old Style]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/01/marinelli-still-an-option-for-bears-defensive-post.html

 

Marinelli might end up with the DC job, which was my guess when this all started.

I wonder if the OC spot ends up in Tice's hands.

 

Mike Sherman for Special Teams!

Sherman has plenty to do right now, tyvm.

[davell]

I kind of think it's sugarcoating things to say that guys took jobs while the Bears didn't offer the position personally. Chudzinski didn't want it, Bates and Jackson took jobs before they even interviewed with the Bears and only Zampese kept his name in it for a week, until his window closed with Lewis only giving him a week to accept an offer that never came.

 

The Bears are looking for the best guy they can find obviously, but anyone with a good name that's out there is going to be extremely wary of taking a job that may only be for one year as it is, and it's proving to be true, as we still don't have anyone lined up, or even any good names rumored at this point. Other than Martz, who's probably dying to get the job.

 

Like I said earlier, I expect a retread to be hired and then once Lovie and Co are gone, the new guy will bring an entire new staff with him at that point. But, for now anyway, there's no way it looks good inside coaching circles that these guys are all taking jobs with other organizations, without really even giving the Bears a shot.

[jersey cubs fan]

I kind of think it's sugarcoating things to say that guys took jobs while the Bears didn't offer the position personally. Chudzinski didn't want it, Bates and Jackson took jobs before they even interviewed with the Bears and only Zampese kept his name in it for a week, until his window closed with Lewis only giving him a week to accept an offer that never came.

 

I think it's ludicrous to discount the value of taking the job that is offerend instead of waiting to see if somebody else makes an offer. It's asinine to suggest people view Oakland as more stable than Chicago (their head coach was almost arrested this season and almost fired last week).

 

The Bears may be making a mistake by taking their time, but the Bears are taking their time and guys are taking jobs that are offered to them intead of waiting on the Bears. That's not sugarcoating, it's the only rational explanation.

 

From a PR standpoint, the Bears look bad. They are letting other people frame the story instead of finding their guy and signing him. But in the long run the PR story and media's take is meaningless.

[Banedon]

I kind of think it's sugarcoating things to say that guys took jobs while the Bears didn't offer the position personally. Chudzinski didn't want it, Bates and Jackson took jobs before they even interviewed with the Bears and only Zampese kept his name in it for a week, until his window closed with Lewis only giving him a week to accept an offer that never came.

 

I think it's ludicrous to discount the value of taking the job that is offerend instead of waiting to see if somebody else makes an offer. It's asinine to suggest people view Oakland as more stable than Chicago (their head coach was almost arrested this season and almost fired last week).

 

The Bears may be making a mistake by taking their time, but the Bears are taking their time and guys are taking jobs that are offered to them intead of waiting on the Bears. That's not sugarcoating, it's the only rational explanation.

 

Right. The Bears haven't aggressively pursued a single person here. There's been no big push for anybody other than in the media. The Bears might be making huge mistakes by being lethargic in their search, but since there's been no offers, I don't think we can say people are turning it down because of Lovie...they're turning it down because they've gotten stronger, more aggressive interest from other places.

 

Remember, Zampese didn't turn the Bears down...the Bears missed the deadline they were given for an offer. They just haven't appeared very interested in anyone.

[davell]

I kind of think it's sugarcoating things to say that guys took jobs while the Bears didn't offer the position personally. Chudzinski didn't want it, Bates and Jackson took jobs before they even interviewed with the Bears and only Zampese kept his name in it for a week, until his window closed with Lewis only giving him a week to accept an offer that never came.

 

I think it's ludicrous to discount the value of taking the job that is offerend instead of waiting to see if somebody else makes an offer. It's asinine to suggest people view Oakland as more stable than Chicago (their head coach was almost arrested this season and almost fired last week).

 

The Bears may be making a mistake by taking their time, but the Bears are taking their time and guys are taking jobs that are offered to them intead of waiting on the Bears. That's not sugarcoating, it's the only rational explanation.

 

From a PR standpoint, the Bears look bad. They are letting other people frame the story instead of finding their guy and signing him. But in the long run the PR story and media's take is meaningless.

 

I'm not sure where I said anything about Oakland being viewed as a better job than Chicago. Earlier, i did say that it can't look anything other than bad that a guy accepted a job there, without even interviewing with the Bears.

 

Anyway, as I've said, I expect us to eventually hire a retread. Lovie, Angelo, and the entire staff get the axe after 2010, and we get to start fresh at that point.

[Soul]

I posted this on another board, but frankly I don't think any of the candidates I have seen other than Martz are worth getting upset over. And Martz is still out there.

 

I'm not sure what exactly was the reason Martz wasn't hired. Was it because Jay really doesn't like him, or was that more media BS? Was it because Angelo didn't want Lovie to hire a friend right away? I don't know. But he's been the best name I've heard in relation to the position from the beginning, and remains so 3 weeks later.

[davell]

I'm not upset over missing out on any of the guys that have signed either actually. I guess I'm just pissed at the lackadaisical attitude we seem to have for this hire. Maybe(hopefully) I'll be proven wrong.

 

And unless Cutler truly can't stand Martz, I'm not all that opposed to bringing him in either.