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The thing that worries me about Martz is that his offenses have almost always led or been near the top of the league in sacks. Protecting the quarterback doesn't seem all that important for him.

That's true, but who has he had at QB? Warner, Bulger? Both pocket passers and less mobile than Cutler.

 

My bigger concern is whether he can get Cutler out of the pocket and/or running some bootlegs to his right. That's where he's at his best and Turner didn't utilize that strength.

 

Even more troubling if he didn't do his best to get the statues the protection they needed.

 

Considering they had success with him, I believe he did give them the protection they needed. Maybe not what they wanted, but certainly what they needed.

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Martz does not move his qbs

Maybe that's because he didn't have QBs that could move. Or who were effective at moving.

 

Not defending the guy, just sayin'

 

or he would appear to structure his offenses around the same types of qbs. guys without especially strong arms or any athleticism to speak of, but who are capable of making quick reads and getting the ball out fast and accurately.

 

like i've said, cutler is almost the exact opposite of a martz qb and his talents would be wasted in his system. if jay cutler is going to flourish, he needs a less rigid offense.

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Packers say no to Bears. Tom Clements not a candidate for OC job. As if that was ever going to happen.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-12-bears-fewell-chicago-jan12,0,3366773.story

 

Eh...I think the Packers did a disservice to him to not at least let him interivew for the job and the opportunity to turn the job down himself. Nothing like having someone else speak for you. But, I understand why the Packers did it.

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Packers say no to Bears. Tom Clements not a candidate for OC job. As if that was ever going to happen.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-12-bears-fewell-chicago-jan12,0,3366773.story

 

Eh...I think the Packers did a disservice to him to not at least let him interivew for the job and the opportunity to turn the job down himself. Nothing like having someone else speak for you. But, I understand why the Packers did it.

 

I don't think the Packers can stop him from jumping on a plane for Chicago to interview. They can say what they want, but it's a free country.

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Correct. But he's also agreeing not to go down that road. People disobey those kinds of "orders" from employers all the time, and show up in another job. It could be done. He's just not going to do it.
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Packers say no to Bears. Tom Clements not a candidate for OC job. As if that was ever going to happen.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-12-bears-fewell-chicago-jan12,0,3366773.story

 

Eh...I think the Packers did a disservice to him to not at least let him interivew for the job and the opportunity to turn the job down himself. Nothing like having someone else speak for you. But, I understand why the Packers did it.

 

It has nothing to do with speaking for you. He is under contract. They aren't saying he's not interested, they are saying, we aren't interested in letting you take our guy. That's why they have contracts. The coaches want security for seasons at a time, and in return the teams get stability.

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Correct. But he's also agreeing not to go down that road. People disobey those kinds of "orders" from employers all the time, and show up in another job. It could be done. He's just not going to do it.

 

I'm 99% sure there's some kind of no-compete clause in his contract. Is he physically capable of interviewing? Of course. But there's likely significant penalties if he does so. Also, I'm guessing that there would be similar repercussions for the Bears from the NFL if they tried to talk to someone elses coach without permission.

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Packers say no to Bears. Tom Clements not a candidate for OC job. As if that was ever going to happen.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-12-bears-fewell-chicago-jan12,0,3366773.story

 

Eh...I think the Packers did a disservice to him to not at least let him interivew for the job and the opportunity to turn the job down himself. Nothing like having someone else speak for you. But, I understand why the Packers did it.

 

It has nothing to do with speaking for you. He is under contract. They aren't saying he's not interested, they are saying, we aren't interested in letting you take our guy. That's why they have contracts. The coaches want security for seasons at a time, and in return the teams get stability.

 

but coaches can choose to work wherever they want, though.

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Correct. But he's also agreeing not to go down that road. People disobey those kinds of "orders" from employers all the time, and show up in another job. It could be done. He's just not going to do it.

 

I'm 99% sure there's some kind of no-compete clause in his contract. Is he physically capable of interviewing? Of course. But there's likely significant penalties if he does so. Also, I'm guessing that there would be similar repercussions for the Bears from the NFL if they tried to talk to someone elses coach without permission.

 

So they pay a fine and move on. So he gets fired by the Packers, and earns a new job with the Bears. The point is, it's do-able, and it has happened before. Maybe the Bears give up a lower round pick in compensation. If that's the guy you really think Cutler needs, then you do it.

 

Kind of like the Tuna situation with the Jets/Pats awhile back. It depends on what you are willing to pay, that's all. Nobody's getting thrown in jail over something like this. A grievance is filed, and and agreement is reached.

 

I'm not saying this *should* happen. I'm just saying that just because the Packers don't approve doesn't mean the guy is in some kind of prison.

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Packers say no to Bears. Tom Clements not a candidate for OC job. As if that was ever going to happen.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-12-bears-fewell-chicago-jan12,0,3366773.story

 

Eh...I think the Packers did a disservice to him to not at least let him interivew for the job and the opportunity to turn the job down himself. Nothing like having someone else speak for you. But, I understand why the Packers did it.

 

It has nothing to do with speaking for you. He is under contract. They aren't saying he's not interested, they are saying, we aren't interested in letting you take our guy. That's why they have contracts. The coaches want security for seasons at a time, and in return the teams get stability.

 

but coaches can choose to work wherever they want, though.

 

Not without repercussion while under contract.

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they may have to pay a buyout, but i can't imagine more than that.

 

But the point is he can't negotiate or interview without the risk of being in violation of that contract, so he'd almost certainly have to be assured of the job before getting too involved, which I believe would be far too difficult when it's a HC and GM whose jobs are on the line and want to be sure they are getting the right guy. A guy like Parcells can get away with it because everybody knows what they bring to the table. A QB coach getting a promotion to OC without actually having a well known track record is a tricky situation. GB denying permission does, in effect, end his candidacy.

 

If this was a position coach that the GM worked with before, and everybody was familiar with, it would only be a formality they could easily get around with some sort of buyout. But in this case, it has an impact.

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The other thing is, denying permission to talk can be a dangerous game. It can result in bad feelings, which may come back to bite you once the contract is up. I have no idea if there will be any of that with this situation. But if I had an opportunity to move from QB coach to OC, and my employer wouldn't even let me talk about it, you can bet I'd be pretty upset.
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The other thing is, denying permission to talk can be a dangerous game. It can result in bad feelings, which may come back to bite you once the contract is up. I have no idea if there will be any of that with this situation. But if I had an opportunity to move from QB coach to OC, and my employer wouldn't even let me talk about it, you can bet I'd be pretty upset.

 

Sometimes this sort of move is followed up with a promotion for that coach, like when Rod Marinelli became assistant head coach after Tampa wouldn't allow the Bears to talk to him. In this case, that would be tough, as they already have an asst head coach/inside linebackers coach, and they have an offensive coordinator in between Clements and McCarthy. So they could offer this guy Asst HC role and more of a role in the offense, but then you run the risk of alienating the OC.

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Clements can't just leave and sign with us. It doesn't work that way. Who even knows if he wants the responsibility of being a OC, especially for the Bears? I didn't expect the Packers to grant permission to the Bears anyway, just not happening.

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