Milton Bradley Traded To Mariners For Carlos Silva

[UK1679666180]

I didn't think the Bradley signing could get any worse and now I'm wrong.

 

Fwiw, I've never seen a worse two-strike pitcher in my life as a starter. He has a below avg. FB (sinker without much velo or movement) and a bad breaking ball and change. His best strength early on was his control and that has become worse.

 

In '08.... On 0-2 counts, hitters hit .323 and a 1-2 counts, hitters hit .315.

 

Lou should strangle him when he leaves a 0-2 sinker down the middle of the plate, of course he might chalk that up to being aggressive in the strike zone.

 

For those wanting him to be in the pen, he doesn't pitch well out of the stretch from what I recall.

[Derwood]

I hope all the Bradley haters are satisfied.

[YearofDaCubs]

This couldn't have happened last week before Cameron signed?

 

And seriously, let's get on that "Silva released" press release.

 

From what I heard the Mariners had no interest in taking Bradley until the Lee trade came about. Now they are more willing to take him aboard since they expect him to be another piece to help them contend. If that makes sense.

That makes sense. All of a sudden the Mariners look very good on paper.

[rocket]

Not a great trade, but can we at least give Silva a chance on the Cubs? Maybe he'll be different with Rothschild as pitching coach and the NL.

 

silva doesn't even deserve a chance. he's terrible.

[Tim M]

Well, I guess it's better than taking Burrell and then having to flip him somwhere too. Now we can just let Silva rot in the pen and sign Marlon Byrd with the extra cash. It sucks for sure but it could've been worse.

[The Voice of Reason]

Including one guy that think Silva a 4/$48 was reasonable.

 

That guy also went on to say he thinks Tiger Woods will get the husband of the year award.

[dew1679666265]

This couldn't have happened last week before Cameron signed?

 

That's what I wonder about. Were the Mariners not interested in this a week ago or did Hendry still believe he could get something better? This wouldn't be that bad a trade if we could still upgrade from Bradley to Cameron.

[UK1679666180]

I hope all the Bradley haters are satisfied.

 

I'm happy they got rid of him, they had to get rid of him. Manager hated him as well as most of his teammates.

 

Instead of trying to make that problem less worse, they made increased the damage depending on how poorly Silva does or what that extra money brings in.

 

Silva is bad, but he won't be as bad as he was with Seattle in '08 even with the lack of MI range.

[jersey cubs fan]

Not a great trade, but can we at least give Silva a chance on the Cubs? Maybe he'll be different with Rothschild as pitching coach and the NL.

 

What do you mean give him a chance? None of us are going to prevent him from playing. But the guy sucks. There's no good reason to give guys a clean slate when they have a track record that tells you how much of a disaster they are.

[Guest]

For those wanting him to be in the pen, he doesn't pitch well out of the stretch from what I recall.

 

Nor can he strike anyone out, which is a trait I really want from a reliever.

 

He's AAA filler. Not even a promising AAA starter. Just filler.

[dew1679666265]

Well, I guess it's better than taking Burrell and then having to flip him somwhere too. Now we can just let Silva rot in the pen and sign Marlon Byrd with the extra cash. It sucks for sure but it could've been worse.

 

I'd have preferred to take Burrell and keep him, honestly.

[jersey cubs fan]

I hope all the Bradley haters are satisfied.

 

I'm happy they got rid of him, they had to get rid of him. Manager hated him as well as most of his teammates.

 

Instead of trying to make that problem less worse, they made increased the damage depending on how poorly Silva does or what that extra money brings in.

 

Silva is bad, but he won't be as bad as he was with Seattle in '08 even with the lack of MI range.

 

None of that is a reason to get rid of a player. Why not get rid of the manager if he's incapable of managing the guy (and hasn't exactly been doing a bangup job nor is he owed much in comparison).

[UMFan83]

Not a great trade, but can we at least give Silva a chance on the Cubs? Maybe he'll be different with Rothschild as pitching coach and the NL.

 

What do you mean give him a chance? None of us are going to prevent him from playing. But the guy sucks. There's no good reason to give guys a clean slate when they have a track record that tells you how much of a disaster they are.

 

I might, but keep it on the dl in case I pull it off.

[Guest]

This couldn't have happened last week before Cameron signed?

 

That's what I wonder about. Were the Mariners not interested in this a week ago or did Hendry still believe he could get something better? This wouldn't be that bad a trade if we could still upgrade from Bradley to Cameron.

 

If Seattle didn't get Lee, they probably would have stayed in on the Bay sweepstakes. They had some money to burn this offseason and Bay seemed like the guy they wanted until Lee fell into their laps. Now they have Lee and Bradley for just a hair more than than they were paying just for Lee, and they don't have to deal with Silva anymore. Lee and Bradley trumps Bay.

[jersey cubs fan]

In '08.... On 0-2 counts, hitters hit .323 and a 1-2 counts, hitters hit .315.

 

Well, that only counts PA's that end on those counts, which means he either struck them out or they put the ball in play. Considering he can't strike anybody out, that's not exactly surprising.

[UK1679666180]

I hope all the Bradley haters are satisfied.

 

I'm happy they got rid of him, they had to get rid of him. Manager hated him as well as most of his teammates.

 

Instead of trying to make that problem less worse, they made increased the damage depending on how poorly Silva does or what that extra money brings in.

 

Silva is bad, but he won't be as bad as he was with Seattle in '08 even with the lack of MI range.

 

None of that is a reason to get rid of a player. Why not get rid of the manager if he's incapable of managing the guy (and hasn't exactly been doing a bangup job nor is he owed much in comparison).

 

 

Sure it is, you're looking at it through idealism rather than realism. Hendry isn't going to rid of a manager at this stage or the players that don't like him compared to one player viewed as the troublemaker. They're not cleaning house to coddle one player.

 

I don't want Piniella managing this team nor Hendry running the FO but they're here and while this will probably be each of their last years in Chicago, they'll do what they can to win now. They probably see it as not being to afford all the headaches and distractions of Bradley coming back that might happen and poss. eliminate whatever chance they had at making the playoffs. Bradley is/was the scapegoat and they had to get rid of him based off of that.

[Wheelimus]

Unless we have a trade lined up to flip Silva to save a few more million, this is pathetic. Silva isn't even minor league contract with a spring training invite good.

[The Voice of Reason]

I hope all the Bradley haters are satisfied.

 

I'm happy they got rid of him, they had to get rid of him. Manager hated him as well as most of his teammates.

 

Instead of trying to make that problem less worse, they made increased the damage depending on how poorly Silva does or what that extra money brings in.

 

Silva is bad, but he won't be as bad as he was with Seattle in '08 even with the lack of MI range.

 

None of that is a reason to get rid of a player. Why not get rid of the manager if he's incapable of managing the guy (and hasn't exactly been doing a bangup job nor is he owed much in comparison).

 

Bradley has now been on nine different teams in ten years. Was it the Manager's fault on all those other teams too?

[UK1679666180]

In '08.... On 0-2 counts, hitters hit .323 and a 1-2 counts, hitters hit .315.

 

Well, that only counts PA's that end on those counts, which means he either struck them out or they put the ball in play. Considering he can't strike anybody out, that's not exactly surprising.

 

It shows he has no out-pitch and his sinker isn't as sharp as it was, which is the ultimate demise of any chance of him showing any production at all. When you throw 85% of one pitch, that better be a damn good pitch.

 

Ramon Ortiz is to Pedro Martinez what Carlos Silva is to.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Derek Lowe

Edited December 18, 2009 by UK

[Tim M]

Well, I guess it's better than taking Burrell and then having to flip him somwhere too. Now we can just let Silva rot in the pen and sign Marlon Byrd with the extra cash. It sucks for sure but it could've been worse.

 

I'd have preferred to take Burrell and keep him, honestly.

 

I'd obviously rather have Burrell than Silva but we probably wouldn't have gotten any salary relief with Burrell that we get with this deal. Plus, I think it's easier to bury a pitcher like Silva in the David Patton role than keep a horrible fielder like Burrell on the bench. It's a crap deal but it was probably the least crap deal out there.

[jersey cubs fan]

Sure it is, you're looking at it through idealism rather than realism. Hendry isn't going to rid of a manager at this stage or the players that don't like him compared to one player viewed as the troublemaker. They're not cleaning house to coddle one player.

 

I don't want Piniella managing this team nor Hendry running the FO but they're here and while this will probably be each of their last years in Chicago, they'll do what they can to win now. They probably see it as not being to afford all the headaches and distractions of Bradley coming back that might happen and poss. eliminate whatever chance they had at making the playoffs. Bradley is/was the scapegoat and they had to get rid of him based off of that.

 

Sure that's probably how they see it, but the fact is they didn't have to deal him. Jerk players are brought back to teams all the time in sports where how you get along matters through the course of play.

 

They never had to get rid of him, and they didn't have to scapegoat him because only idiots would actually believe he is the reason why they struggled.

[YearofDaCubs]

You have to trade him if there is a team out there willing to give you just 2 million for him. I just don't see how Silva can any way be worth anything to the Cubs.

[jersey cubs fan]

Bradley has now been on nine different teams in ten years. Was it the Manager's fault on all those other teams too?

 

What I'm saying is they didn't have to trade him. Nothing happened that forced them to trade Milton Bradley. There was never a time when they had to trade Milton Bradley. The fact that they were determined to trade him no matter what does not mean they had to trade him.

[Sammy Sofa]

The Brewers are desperate for pitching and seem to be complete idiots when it comes to signing pitchers this offseason. Maybe they can be duped into wanting Silva.

 

Ah, who am I kidding? We're stuck with him.

[jersey cubs fan]

You have to trade him if there is a team out there willing to give you just 2 million for him. I just don't see how Silva can any way be worth anything to the Cubs.

 

This team is going to open 2010 with 2 "reliable" starting pitchers. I can see how the Cubs can view Silva as a player they could use, because he is a body that has started baseball games before at the major league level.