Milton Bradley Traded To Mariners For Carlos Silva

[jersey cubs fan]

Also, the fact that he hasn't been traded yet is not evidence of his trade value or lack thereof. Nor does it really point to the Cubs being incredibly desperate to be rid of him.

 

Don't get me wrong, those things may still be true. But the trade not happening yet doesn't imply much about either thing to this point.

 

I'd have to disagree.

 

It's very clear he's got very little trade value and the Cubs are desperate to move him. The current situation more than implies both. But those two things are inextricably tied together, as their obvious desperation is weighing heavily on his value.

[Guest]

Also, the fact that he hasn't been traded yet is not evidence of his trade value or lack thereof. Nor does it really point to the Cubs being incredibly desperate to be rid of him.

 

Don't get me wrong, those things may still be true. But the trade not happening yet doesn't imply much about either thing to this point.

 

I'd have to disagree.

 

It's very clear he's got very little trade value and the Cubs are desperate to move him. The current situation more than implies both. But those two things are inextricably tied together, as their obvious desperation is weighing heavily on his value.

Halladay hasn't been traded yet - does that mean he doesn't have value either?

 

There are plenty of things that point to whether or not Bradley has value in the market. But the simple fact that no trade has been executed yet is not one of them.

[jersey cubs fan]

Also, the fact that he hasn't been traded yet is not evidence of his trade value or lack thereof. Nor does it really point to the Cubs being incredibly desperate to be rid of him.

 

Don't get me wrong, those things may still be true. But the trade not happening yet doesn't imply much about either thing to this point.

 

I'd have to disagree.

 

It's very clear he's got very little trade value and the Cubs are desperate to move him. The current situation more than implies both. But those two things are inextricably tied together, as their obvious desperation is weighing heavily on his value.

Halladay hasn't been traded yet - does that mean he doesn't have value either?

 

There are plenty of things that point to whether or not Bradley has value in the market. But the simple fact that no trade has been executed yet is not one of them.

 

But that simple fact is not all we know. We know Toronto needs to get more than the value of 2 draft picks in trading Halladay, we know they don't have to trade him.

 

We know the Cubs are 99.9% commmitted to trading Bradley. We know they are willing to pay a significant portion of the cost to make that happen. This is not an information vacuum.

 

The Cubs are desperate to trade Milton Bradley (their own mistake but they are making it) and his value is low. Teams have been linked but most have said flatly they have no interest, some of them even laughing at the concept. We know many teams would love to get Roy Halladay, but that's a completely different situation and there's no good reason to compare the two.

[Guest]

We're talking across each other here, goony.

 

The fact that a trade hasn't happened yet doesn't say much at all about the situation. All that other stuff? Yeah, that says a lot.

 

My op on the topic was referring to people trying to use the fact that nothing has happened yet as evidence of something. Whereas that fact on its own really doesn't mean a whole lot about how big the market is or isn't for Bradley. It just means that nobody has offered a deal that Hendry will accept. Since we don't know what Hendry is holding out for, it doesn't tell us much about the offers.

 

The rumors and media speculation are more informative, but are still just rumors and innuendo at this point. I don't really have any more reason to believe Rosenthal than I do the rumors that hit my mailbox most everyday.

[jersey cubs fan]

We're talking across each other here, goony.

 

The fact that a trade hasn't happened yet doesn't say much at all about the situation. All that other stuff? Yeah, that says a lot.

 

My op on the topic was referring to people trying to use the fact that nothing has happened yet as evidence of something. Whereas that fact on its own really doesn't mean a whole lot about how big the market is or isn't for Bradley. It just means that nobody has offered a deal that Hendry will accept. Since we don't know what Hendry is holding out for, it doesn't tell us much about the offers.

 

The rumors and media speculation are more informative, but are still just rumors and innuendo at this point. I don't really have any more reason to believe Rosenthal than I do the rumors that hit my mailbox most everyday.

 

I understand what you mean when you say the "fact" doesn't tell us anything on its own. But, somebody shouldn't get criticized for saying we no his value his low. It is. That's fairly obvious. His trade value is probably significantly lower than his value as a player right now. The Cubs are desperate to unload him and very few teams are anxious to get him.

[Guest]

We're talking across each other here, goony.

 

The fact that a trade hasn't happened yet doesn't say much at all about the situation. All that other stuff? Yeah, that says a lot.

 

My op on the topic was referring to people trying to use the fact that nothing has happened yet as evidence of something. Whereas that fact on its own really doesn't mean a whole lot about how big the market is or isn't for Bradley. It just means that nobody has offered a deal that Hendry will accept. Since we don't know what Hendry is holding out for, it doesn't tell us much about the offers.

 

The rumors and media speculation are more informative, but are still just rumors and innuendo at this point. I don't really have any more reason to believe Rosenthal than I do the rumors that hit my mailbox most everyday.

 

I understand what you mean when you say the "fact" doesn't tell us anything on its own. But, somebody shouldn't get criticized for saying we no his value his low. It is. That's fairly obvious. His trade value is probably significantly lower than his value as a player right now. The Cubs are desperate to unload him and very few teams are anxious to get him.

I'm explicitly not criticizing anyone for saying his value is low. I'm only criticizing the use of "no trade has happened yet" as a justification for that belief.

[jersey cubs fan]

We're talking across each other here, goony.

 

The fact that a trade hasn't happened yet doesn't say much at all about the situation. All that other stuff? Yeah, that says a lot.

 

My op on the topic was referring to people trying to use the fact that nothing has happened yet as evidence of something. Whereas that fact on its own really doesn't mean a whole lot about how big the market is or isn't for Bradley. It just means that nobody has offered a deal that Hendry will accept. Since we don't know what Hendry is holding out for, it doesn't tell us much about the offers.

 

The rumors and media speculation are more informative, but are still just rumors and innuendo at this point. I don't really have any more reason to believe Rosenthal than I do the rumors that hit my mailbox most everyday.

 

I understand what you mean when you say the "fact" doesn't tell us anything on its own. But, somebody shouldn't get criticized for saying we no his value his low. It is. That's fairly obvious. His trade value is probably significantly lower than his value as a player right now. The Cubs are desperate to unload him and very few teams are anxious to get him.

I'm explicitly not criticizing anyone for saying his value is low. I'm only criticizing the use of "no trade has happened yet" as a justification for that belief.

 

As a piece of circumstantial evidence that fits in with the narrative I think it's still meaningful despite the fact it proves nothing on its own.

[Wheelimus]

Hey now, don't act like we don't have any other options. They're easy to find.

 

Option #1 - If Milton Bradley really is this albatross that can't be traded...you release him. Right after idea #500 has failed. It will be March 2010 and you're going to have to do SOMETHING. This worthless baseball player cannot possibly play in the outfield for the Cubs and all.

 

So what do you do? You sign the absolute best outfielder who will willingly sign for the major league minimum. It's all you're going to have baby. And the best player? Barry Bonds.

 

Just imagine it. The senior citizen himself doing the best he can in left. Soriano trying to handle right. Kosuke in center. Let it sink in.

 

Or, you know, we could just bring Milton Bradley to spring training and tell him that his punishment for being a little bitch in 2009 is being in an open competition for a starting position against "whoever the heck is cheap and present." And that every negative press quote will be met with a week on the bench. We sort of get to tell him what to do for the next two years. Sucks to be him.

 

But that's just CRAZY talk. :-))

[davearm2]

Hey now, don't act like we don't have any other options. They're easy to find.

 

Option #1 - If Milton Bradley really is this albatross that can't be traded...you release him. Right after idea #500 has failed. It will be March 2010 and you're going to have to do SOMETHING. This worthless baseball player cannot possibly play in the outfield for the Cubs and all.

 

So what do you do? You sign the absolute best outfielder who will willingly sign for the major league minimum. It's all you're going to have baby. And the best player? Barry Bonds.

 

Just imagine it. The senior citizen himself doing the best he can in left. Soriano trying to handle right. Kosuke in center. Let it sink in.

 

Or, you know, we could just bring Milton Bradley to spring training and tell him that his punishment for being a little bitch in 2009 is being in an open competition for a starting position against "whoever the heck is cheap and present." And that every negative press quote will be met with a week on the bench. We sort of get to tell him what to do for the next two years. Sucks to be him.

 

But that's just CRAZY talk. :-))

Yeah I'm sure a little tough love is just the thing that will snap Bradley back in line. :roll:

 

Of all the options out there, having Bradley on the roster but stewing on the bench all year is by far the worst.

[Rob]

Personally, I'd keep him on the team but manufacture a tangible enemy outside the team for him to focus on. The traveling secretary or somebody. It's actually a better option than benching him.

[davearm2]

Also, the fact that he hasn't been traded yet is not evidence of his trade value or lack thereof. Nor does it really point to the Cubs being incredibly desperate to be rid of him.

 

Don't get me wrong, those things may still be true. But the trade not happening yet doesn't imply much about either thing to this point.

 

I'd have to disagree.

 

It's very clear he's got very little trade value and the Cubs are desperate to move him. The current situation more than implies both. But those two things are inextricably tied together, as their obvious desperation is weighing heavily on his value.

Halladay hasn't been traded yet - does that mean he doesn't have value either?

 

There are plenty of things that point to whether or not Bradley has value in the market. But the simple fact that no trade has been executed yet is not one of them.

The reason any "on the block" player hasn't been traded is because the best offer doesn't meet the asking price.

 

So you're left to consider whether a) the offers are fair but the asking price is too high, b) the asking price is reasonable but the offers suck, or c) both too-low offers and too-high price.

 

In Bradley's case the most likely explanation seems fairly obvious to me, anyway.

[Wheelimus]

Disagree. We just freaking hired the hitting coach who Bradley hit 321/.436/.563 for just one season ago. In the end the man was paid to not come to work at the end of last season. Does that really sound like a relationship that cannot possibly be reconciled? Not to me. These are grown men and we're talking about playing baseball for tens of millions of dollars a year. Somehow it could be worked out.

 

A trade is only a good decision if it improves the team. I for one don't give a damn about excuses otherwise.

[jersey cubs fan]

Disagree. We just freaking hired the hitting coach who Bradley hit 321/.436/.563 for just one season ago. In the end the man was paid to not come to work at the end of last season. Does that really sound like a relationship that cannot possibly be reconciled? Not to me. These are grown men and we're talking about playing baseball for tens of millions of dollars a year. Somehow it could be worked out.

 

A trade is only a good decision if it improves the team. I for one don't give a damn about excuses otherwise.

 

I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with, but I am going to assume it's the statement about stewing on the bench all year being the worst thing. And I'm guessing that is in response to your comment that any bad words from Milton will be met with a week on the bench, which would inevitably lead to Milton being on the bench all year (ie, not playing). So you get all the worst parts of Milton Bradley on the team (Milton Bradley being on the team) but none of the good parts (Bradley playing).

 

 

I think you say "that crap can't happen again Milton, let's do our best to play by the rules this year and we will make a concerted effort to punish any fan making racial comments to you". He's still going to be a dick because that is what he is, but you have to try and get 100+ games out of him and hope for the best.

[Wheelimus]

No, I thought what I was saying was pretty simple. Unless you can improve the team, the best move is to stick with Milton Bradley as a starting outfielder in 2010 unless he chooses not to. And the only way he could choose not to is by being a complete moron and not trying to bounce back and keep his nose clean.

 

Why is it inevitable that every week there will be a new Bradley story? Last season he had requested to be allowed to not speak to the media. We made him. And see what we got. Why not just give his way a try and let him keep his mouth shut if he wants?

 

I'm not sure what great trade you think is out there for Milton Bradley that beats that. If it's a swap for Pat Burrell and we're paying money twice (once to get rid of Bradley, once to get rid of Pat The Bat) no thanks.

[jersey cubs fan]

No, I thought what I was saying was pretty simple. Unless you can improve the team, the best move is to stick with Milton Bradley as a starting outfielder in 2010 unless he chooses not to. And the only way he could choose not to is by being a complete moron and not trying to bounce back and keep his nose clean.

 

Why is it inevitable that every week there will be a new Bradley story? Last season he had requested to be allowed to not speak to the media. We made him. And see what we got. Why not just give his way a try and let him keep his mouth shut if he wants?

 

I'm not sure what great trade you think is out there for Milton Bradley that beats that. If it's a swap for Pat Burrell and we're paying money twice (once to get rid of Bradley, once to get rid of Pat The Bat) no thanks.

 

I don't think you're paying attention to what I'm writing. I want to keep Milton. I see nothing good coming from forcing him out via trade. I just think your "one week on the bench punishment" is kind of silly and I was offering that up as the likely reason for the other posters "Milton Bradley on the bench is the worst option" post.

[davell]

Since it's been said in a few papers that Hendry is ONLY communicating with Bradley through his agents, the Levinsons, I kind of have to wonder exactly how far things have broken down between him and the Cubs. It truly may not be repairable and that would be a shame, because I don't see any chance of us getting anything nearly as talented as him in return. I know Hendry thought he was doing the right thing by suspending him, but I'm guessing he's regretting that at this point.....

[jersey cubs fan]

Since it's been said in a few papers that Hendry is ONLY communicating with Bradley through his agents, the Levinsons, I kind of have to wonder exactly how far things have broken down between him and the Cubs. It truly may not be repairable and that would be a shame, because I don't see any chance of us getting anything nearly as talented as him in return. I know Hendry thought he was doing the right thing by suspending him, but I'm guessing he's regretting that at this point.....

 

I'd bet he isn't regretting the suspension. He might regret signing him, but I'm sure he's proud of the suspension.

[Backtobanks]

We get it, you don't like Bradley. You don't think he has value. You have said as much in every single post you've made over the last 3 months. Stop complaining about him and engage in a conversation worth having, for heaven's sake.

 

It's not a matter of whether I like Bradley or not, it's the fact that his non-trade looks like it's delaying other moves by the Cubs. As for whether he has value or not, the market will let us know. If you've been paying attention, then you know that I usually engage in many conversations, but this one has been the busiest for quite awhile.

[Guest]

Since it's been said in a few papers that Hendry is ONLY communicating with Bradley through his agents, the Levinsons, I kind of have to wonder exactly how far things have broken down between him and the Cubs. It truly may not be repairable and that would be a shame, because I don't see any chance of us getting anything nearly as talented as him in return. I know Hendry thought he was doing the right thing by suspending him, but I'm guessing he's regretting that at this point.....

 

I'd bet he isn't regretting the suspension. He might regret signing him, but I'm sure he's proud of the suspension.

 

Yeah, I don't even have a problem with the actual suspension. It's that it's being carried farther than just the suspension that angers me.

 

If your teenage kid sneaks out the window late at night and you catch him, grounding him for the next month or so doesn't seem completely unreasonable. Grounding him for a year, making the hall closet his new room and selling all of his stuff is just overkill. And that's only part of it. Everyone else is getting punished, too. It's like that family trip to Disneyland being cancelled because one kid did something to piss you off. Punish everyone rather than make the bad kid stay with his mean uncle while you all go and enjoy yourselves.

 

And I'd kind of like some clarification on the Cubs forcing Bradley to speak with the press. Did they really force this issue? If so, what was the reason behind it?

[NCCubFan]

Perhaps this is wishful thinking, but I hope Brandon Marshall is a model for what happens with Bradley. Marshall seemed almost certain to be traded by the Broncos, but they kissed and made up and he's had an awesome season. I wouldn't expect it to be that dramatic with Bradley, but it is proof that seemingly irreparable damage can in fact be salvaged.

[Eric Clipperton]

Personally, I'd keep him on the team but manufacture a tangible enemy outside the team for him to focus on. The traveling secretary or somebody. It's actually a better option than benching him.

 

This is the type of thing a good coach would do.

[Rob]

The trick is you'd have to have somebody whom the public despises more than Bradley. Otherwise, you're just rallying them against Bradley again.

[17 Seconds]

The trick is you'd have to have somebody whom the public despises more than Bradley. Otherwise, you're just rallying them against Bradley again.

 

kanye?

[Rob]

I was thinking John Rocker or Jose Canseco, personally.

[17 Seconds]

i wish more people hated steve stone because he'd be perfect for this