Milton Bradley Traded To Mariners For Carlos Silva

[Guest]

Commenting on Goony's assertion:

 

If someone stuck with the team when Patterson, Jones, Hawkins and many others before them were on the team, but then decided to stop following the team because of Bradley....wouldn't it be more likely that the person is biased against people with psychological issues? If they're giving up on the team because they're racist, why didn't they give up on the team when there was a higher percentage of African-Americans on the team?

 

and I can't believe I'm getting sucked into this conversation.

[davearm2]

Wow... not wanting to follow the cubs because Milton is on the team implies that you're probably a racist......? Wow just wow, the idiots we have on this board. If you can't relate to racism or haven't been a victim of it, then you need to shut your mouth if you're implying garbage like this. Sorry but idiot ideas like this, that a fan who doesn't support a team because of a player implies he's racist because the player is black, is basically the problem with racism nowadays because people use the term so loosely. Man some of you are just dumb or are just not in touch with society if you actually feel this is racist. I'm Latino and if Dave decided not to be a cubs fan because Zambrano was on the team, i wouldn't feel its a racist gesture. Like i said if you call something like this racist or if you've never experienced it, then Shut up. Lets get back on topic about Milton cause clearly some people are swaying this thread into something completely dumb.

Thanks for shining some light on this blatant ignorance. The back-and-forth on this topic has been a real eye-opener. Just when you think folks are reasonably intelligent and enlightened, they start talking like this and turn that perception right on its ear.

[Wheelimus]

If Jimbo somehow pulled of Bradley for Soriano, I'd admit I was wrong, shake his hand, and offer to buy the man as many steaks as he can eat. And I KNOW that is a losing proposition. :-))

[Guest]

If it's Burrell (sp?) for Bradley it's one unmovable contract for another. I don't know how the Cubs can spin Burrell without having to pay for him too.

 

Anyway, I'd put Burrell in LF and move Soriano back to 2nd and pretend like defense doesn't matter or else try to out slug teams for the first 7 innings.

[dew1679666265]

If we're doing the Burrell for Bradley swap, I'd honestly prefer to just keep Burrell as a bat on the bench. Instead of swapping him for Castillo, I'd rather keep him as a fourth outfielder and right-handed platoon partner for Kosuke.

 

There's no chance of that because need to dump some of Burrell salary now so they can go after Cameron or whoever in CF. They won't have all that money tied up to Burrell with him being a 4th outfielder. Plus I don't think Luis Castillo is a option anymore, since the Mets don't want Burrell. I'm basically for whatever saves the Cubs money so they can get Mike Cameron and some other pieces.

 

Will we be able to dump much, if any, of Burrell's salary? I was under the assumption we wouldn't save much money in this whole arrangement.

[kujay]

and I can't believe I'm getting sucked into this conversation.

 

It's a pretty stupid one.

 

Does it always have be about race. Maybe it's just about Bradley being a petulant ass while in Chicago, just like he's been his entire career.

 

This really just needs to be done with. Not because the team will be better or worse with or without him, but because he is too much of a mental midget to deal with the situation like an adult.

[Guancous]

If Milton Bradley causes such animosity in this thread, imagine what the clubhouse must be like! Woe are the Cubs!

[CUBZ99]

If it's Burrell (sp?) for Bradley it's one unmovable contract for another. I don't know how the Cubs can spin Burrell without having to pay for him too.

 

Anyway, I'd put Burrell in LF and move Soriano back to 2nd and pretend like defense doesn't matter or else try to out slug teams for the first 7 innings.

 

Amen, too bad Fox isn't around to play third on Aram's off days. That would be some entertaining baseball.

[kujay]

If Milton Bradley causes such animosity in this thread, imagine what the clubhouse must be like! Woe are the Cubs!

 

The players are racists.

[Guest]

I'm just going to pretend that the hold up was Tampa acquiring Soriano so they could send him to us for Bradley.

 

The Mets have come right out and said that they have no interest in Burrell. Which then means that if Hendry trades Bradley for Burrell, he's trading Bradley for a DH. Burrell's DH ability is hampered by the fact that the one time he's been a DH, he has been horrible at it.

 

If some other team actually wanted Burrell, I'm sure that Tampa would pick up part of his tab to be done with him. The only benefit of Burrell is that his contract only has the one year remaining on it. However, the drop off in offense and defense is going to hurt the Cubs pretty badly. He was bad defensively before he took a whole year off from playing the field.

[Backtobanks]

Do you really think Bradley hasn't been told to do this during his career? I don't think his teammates are the problem because I think most would deal with it and go play ball, but when you disrespect the manager, coaches, front office, media, and fans in an entertainment venue, you've got to resolve the problem. A lot of posters are forgetting that Chicago is a 2-team city and negative publicity aimed at one team while positive publicity is aimed at the other could jeopardize finances for years to come.

 

No it wouldn't. The Cubs aren't going to lose money because Milton Bradley is around. They aren't going to lose fans to the White Sox. The only fans that would leave the Cubs because Milton is around would be racist white people, and I don't see any racist white people who are Cubs fans rushing to support the White Sox.

The Cubs will lose fans, and money, if they wallow around in mediocrity much longer. If they go back to the 2005/2006 let's just make sure we're all nice guys who get along no matter how much we lose ways, then they will lose fans and money.

 

The way to make money in Chicago sports is to win. Wrigley didn't become the place it is today until after 1998, and it didn't become the year-in-year-out sellout until 2003 when fans were given the taste of what could be. Nice guy teams and PR strategies don't sell tickets. Winning does.

 

I'm not worried about the Cubs losing fans (racist or not) to the White Sox. The real worry is losing advertising dollars and sponsors to the White Sox. Most companies are pretty conservative and may not want to be associated with a mediocre team with a loony-toon acting out weekly.

[Sever82]

If Milton Bradley causes such animosity in this thread, imagine what the clubhouse must be like! Woe are the Cubs!

 

I wouldn't look at it that way but i forgot what article i saw it on today but i guess a player on team X called his GM or contacted his GM for assurance that they wouldn't go after Milton. Thats pretty bad considering players talk amongst themselves. I think the FO is pretty dumb and should've not suspended him and instead acted as if they were going into this season with Milton on the roster. Whats going to end up happening is either one of these three

 

a)Cubs Release Bradley eat salary

B)Cubs Trade Milton, eat entire salary of second year

C) Cubs keep Bradley and play him limited games until he proves otherwise

[YearofDaCubs]

I wouldn't stop watching the Cubs if Bradley stayed on, if anything, in this circumstance it's probably best to keep him for at least one more year but if we end up with Podsednik, I indeed might stop watching the Cubs this year.

[Wheelimus]

To go the pro-wrestling well...since this entire soap opera feels like it could be straight off of Monday Night Raw...just use the old ECW method of dealing with Sabu on Milton Bradley. Namely, deliver him to the park in a straight jacket. And only take it off right before he enters the field.

 

Joking and ridiculous...but some of the depictions of Bradleys "mental problems" would leave you with a mental image of Hannibal Lectar tied to a wooden board.

 

Oh well, by the time we pay both Milton Bradley and Pat Burrell to play for other teams there should be enough money left for...nothing. :roll:

[imb]

Do you really think Bradley hasn't been told to do this during his career? I don't think his teammates are the problem because I think most would deal with it and go play ball, but when you disrespect the manager, coaches, front office, media, and fans in an entertainment venue, you've got to resolve the problem. A lot of posters are forgetting that Chicago is a 2-team city and negative publicity aimed at one team while positive publicity is aimed at the other could jeopardize finances for years to come.

 

No it wouldn't. The Cubs aren't going to lose money because Milton Bradley is around. They aren't going to lose fans to the White Sox. The only fans that would leave the Cubs because Milton is around would be racist white people, and I don't see any racist white people who are Cubs fans rushing to support the White Sox.

The Cubs will lose fans, and money, if they wallow around in mediocrity much longer. If they go back to the 2005/2006 let's just make sure we're all nice guys who get along no matter how much we lose ways, then they will lose fans and money.

 

The way to make money in Chicago sports is to win. Wrigley didn't become the place it is today until after 1998, and it didn't become the year-in-year-out sellout until 2003 when fans were given the taste of what could be. Nice guy teams and PR strategies don't sell tickets. Winning does.

 

I'm not worried about the Cubs losing fans (racist or not) to the White Sox. The real worry is losing advertising dollars and sponsors to the White Sox. Most companies are pretty conservative and may not want to be associated with a mediocre team with a loony-toon acting out weekly.

 

HAHAHAHA. So they'll go to the white sox with ozzie guillen and his racist, homophobic rants? Come on dude, stop.

[inari]

Do you really think Bradley hasn't been told to do this during his career? I don't think his teammates are the problem because I think most would deal with it and go play ball, but when you disrespect the manager, coaches, front office, media, and fans in an entertainment venue, you've got to resolve the problem. A lot of posters are forgetting that Chicago is a 2-team city and negative publicity aimed at one team while positive publicity is aimed at the other could jeopardize finances for years to come.

 

No it wouldn't. The Cubs aren't going to lose money because Milton Bradley is around. They aren't going to lose fans to the White Sox. The only fans that would leave the Cubs because Milton is around would be racist white people, and I don't see any racist white people who are Cubs fans rushing to support the White Sox.

The Cubs will lose fans, and money, if they wallow around in mediocrity much longer. If they go back to the 2005/2006 let's just make sure we're all nice guys who get along no matter how much we lose ways, then they will lose fans and money.

 

The way to make money in Chicago sports is to win. Wrigley didn't become the place it is today until after 1998, and it didn't become the year-in-year-out sellout until 2003 when fans were given the taste of what could be. Nice guy teams and PR strategies don't sell tickets. Winning does.

 

I'm not worried about the Cubs losing fans (racist or not) to the White Sox. The real worry is losing advertising dollars and sponsors to the White Sox. Most companies are pretty conservative and may not want to be associated with a mediocre team with a loony-toon acting out weekly.

 

Most companies want to get their product out to the largest audience possible which means they will advertise during Cubs games. If you think there is a single company that would stop their association with the Cubs because of Milton Bradley, you're nothing short of delusional.

[Guest]

I'm not worried about the Cubs losing fans (racist or not) to the White Sox. The real worry is losing advertising dollars and sponsors to the White Sox. Most companies are pretty conservative and may not want to be associated with a mediocre team with a loony-toon acting out weekly.

 

I don't know why you would worry about that. The one person who probably has a worse case of diahrrea of the mouth than Milton Bradley is Ozzie Guillen.

[davearm2]

I'm not worried about the Cubs losing fans (racist or not) to the White Sox. The real worry is losing advertising dollars and sponsors to the White Sox. Most companies are pretty conservative and may not want to be associated with a mediocre team with a loony-toon acting out weekly.

Take out "to the White Sox" and your post gets better.

 

In the end it doesn't matter where the fans or sponsors go, if/when they pull out. It's money out of the Cubs' pocket regardless.

[inari]

I'm not worried about the Cubs losing fans (racist or not) to the White Sox. The real worry is losing advertising dollars and sponsors to the White Sox. Most companies are pretty conservative and may not want to be associated with a mediocre team with a loony-toon acting out weekly.

Take out "to the White Sox" and your post gets better.

 

In the end it doesn't matter where the fans or sponsors go, if/when they pull out. It's money out of the Cubs' pocket regardless.

 

And in the end, none of that will have anything to do with Milton Bradley. Nor a single sponsor nor more than a handful of stupid fans would leave because of Milt.

[Little Slide Rooter]

1:37pm: USA Today's Bob Nightengale has Cubs officials saying they are close to a Bradley trade, and Nightengale thinks it'll be with the Rays. MLBTR's source continues to say there's nothing new, however.

 

Sounds like it will be Pat The Bat aferall, and we'll either flip him to an AL team or use him as a really expensive Jake Fox and then sign some garbage like Byrd or Podsednik.

[jersey cubs fan]

Commenting on Goony's assertion:

 

If someone stuck with the team when Patterson, Jones, Hawkins and many others before them were on the team, but then decided to stop following the team because of Bradley....wouldn't it be more likely that the person is biased against people with psychological issues? If they're giving up on the team because they're racist, why didn't they give up on the team when there was a higher percentage of African-Americans on the team?

 

and I can't believe I'm getting sucked into this conversation.

 

My point is people aren't going to give up on the Cubs because Bradley is still here. They'd give up on them if they go in the crapper, but they aren't giving up on them because of Bradley. It's a ridiculous theory.

 

But to your point, no, that's not the case at all and it's really a silly point you are trying to make. There are all sorts of racists who follow sports teams that have black people on them, you can't deny that. I'm sure they have some internal debate about cheering on a black guy, but they just want to see see their team win so they tolerate the black guys. Things get a little different when that black guy is an ass, he's less tolerable.

 

Again, my point is people aren't going to abandon the Cubs because Milton Bradley is here. It's just not going to happen. If it does happen, it's very lucky that those people are racists and/or complete morons.

 

I think Milton is an ass. I thought he was an ass before they signed him and I thought he lived up to his reputation. I cannot understand why the Cubs decided that a guy who came as advertised all of a sudden has to go, but they did the same thing with Rich Harden, who came as advertised but now has to go.

 

 

and to reiterate.

 

If you stop following the Cubs because Milton Bradley is on the team, you are very likely a racist and/or a complete moron. But I would pretty much guarantee nobody who posts on message boards about the Cubs is going to abandon the Cubs one way or another, so this doesn't apply to people here and it doesn't make sense to be think you have been accused of anything.

[Guest]

1:37pm: USA Today's Bob Nightengale has Cubs officials saying they are close to a Bradley trade, and Nightengale thinks it'll be with the Rays. MLBTR's source continues to say there's nothing new, however.

 

Sounds like it will be Pat The Bat aferall, and we'll either flip him to an AL team or use him as a really expensive Jake Fox and then sign some garbage like Byrd or Podsednik.

 

Why would Tampa do this? They want out of Burrell's bad contract, but they are taking back a 2 year deal to get rid of a 1 year deal. And as bad as Burrell was last year, at least his mouth didn't run constantly. If someone was interested in Burrell, why wouldn't Tampa just deal him directly, leaving Hendry holding his own bag of dung.

 

I suppose the only way it would make sense is if Tampa is off the hook for almost all of Bradley's money and some of Burrell's too.

 

That, or Hendry has no one to ship Burrell to, but feels it's better to have a no fielding, no bat LFer in RF than it is to have his problem child around for even one more day.

 

I knew this was going to be bad, but this could end up being really, really bad.

[cubsfan26]

If it's Burrell (sp?) for Bradley it's one unmovable contract for another. I don't know how the Cubs can spin Burrell without having to pay for him too.

 

I dunno why someone wouldn't wanna take a chance on Pat Burrell with his long track record of success before last season. I'm sure the Cubs would have to eat some of his salary. But I dunno why a team wouldn't want him for say 4m or so next year.

[kujay]

1:37pm: USA Today's Bob Nightengale has Cubs officials saying they are close to a Bradley trade, and Nightengale thinks it'll be with the Rays. MLBTR's source continues to say there's nothing new, however.

 

Sounds like it will be Pat The Bat aferall, and we'll either flip him to an AL team or use him as a really expensive Jake Fox and then sign some garbage like Byrd or Podsednik.

 

ESPN's live chat was saying this speculation was bunk.

[jersey cubs fan]

and I can't believe I'm getting sucked into this conversation.

 

It's a pretty stupid one.

 

Does it always have be about race. Maybe it's just about Bradley being a petulant ass while in Chicago, just like he's been his entire career.

 

This really just needs to be done with. Not because the team will be better or worse with or without him, but because he is too much of a mental midget to deal with the situation like an adult.

 

It's only stupid if you don't know what is being said. I never said hating Milton Bradley makes you racist. I never said wanting him gone makes you racist. I never said anything of the sort. I've said repeatedly I think he's an ass. My point is that the mythological creature that is the Cubs fan who would abandon the team due to the presence of Milton Bradley is probably going to be a racist person. It's really not a controversial statement. It makes no accusation about anybody here because I'm fairly certain nobody here is going to abandon the Cubs (even if several people threaten to every season).

 

I'm talking about somebody saying, "I love the Cubs. But Milton Bradley is still on the team so I'm done with the team." A) It's very unlikely to happen. B) That rare creature is probably motivated by racial tendencies.