Re: College Football - Week of Oct. 31st

[inari]

Ah. I read "really" as "actually."

[Guest]

I know they run the option so the pass can catch teams off guard but Georgia Tech's QB completed six passes for 193 yards today. That's 193 yards per completion.

I'm pretty sure your math is off by a bit there. ;)

 

But it's still impressive.

 

Yeah, I think it's a bit off as well. What I was going for was 32 yards per completion but apparently my brain and fingers weren't on the same page last night.

[Guest]

I think Ohio State would go to the capital one bowl over Wisconsin. I see them losing to Penn State and beating Iowa with Iowa getting the Rose Bowl, Penn State getting the other BCS and Ohio State going to the capital one with Wiscy in the outback.

 

i had phio st losing to both penn st and iowa. i decided to stop picking against iowa after the wisconsin game, so i'm picking them to win out. but, i'm also picking texas and either bama or florida to win out, so that would put those teams in the "championship game" and iowa in the rose.

 

i think the bcs shakes out with:

2 sec teams (this is basically a lock)

1 big east team (this is a lock)

1 acc team (also a lock)

1 big xii team (only way this gets messed up is if texas wins out during the regular season but loses to a big xii north team in the conference title game; texas could get selected at large)

1 pac 10 team (kind of a shame that the best conference gets only 1 bcs bid)

boise st

tcu

2 big ten teams (for this to happen, i think penn st or ohio st probably have to win out)

 

-if texas loses in the big xii title game then it's either them or one of the big ten runners-up who gets left out.

-if psu and osu each lose at least once more then i think there's a pretty good chance that the big ten only gets one bcs bid and a team like usc could still go.

 

I think you're pretty much spot-on here. I do have to wonder, however, if we're sure a 10-2 top-10 USC team gets left out of the BCS (which I do think they'll finish that way). I understand there is likely to be two undefeated non-BCS squads (Boise State, TCU) and potentially two one-loss Big Ten teams (Iowa, Penn State). Still, I'd be a little surprised to see that USC team playing in the Holiday Bowl.

 

If USC wins out, they'll absolutely get selected over either Boise or TCU, whichever is ranked lower if they're both undefeated. If Miami wins out and they finish 10-2, they'd certainly get selected over Boise/TCU as well. Not sure about Pittsburgh/Cincinnati if there are two 11-1 teams or if Pittsburgh is 10-2 and loses a close game to Cincinnati.

 

I think there would have to be complete chaos in the last couple weeks for both Boise and TCU to get BCS berths.

[Derwood]

they have to take a non-BCS school if they're undefeated and in the Top 8 of the BCS standings though, right?

[Tracer Bullet]

you'd think iowa fans would be happy with a 9-0 record, some chance at the title game and a very likely conference championship and rose bowl berth in 19 years, and wouldn't really care about whether their team is respected.

 

this is ridiculous.

 

ok

 

you honestly don't see why Iowa fans would care about the respect their team is given? They have one really challenging game standing between them and an undefeated season, but a lack of respect is likely going to cost them a chance to play for a national title. ETA: even if they beat OSU convincingly, they probably won't jump Texas or the SEC champ.

 

When's the last time an 8-0 Big Ten team was behind an undefeated MAC team in the polls? Or behind both an undefeated MAC and undefeated MWC team in the coaches poll?

 

To further illustrate - undefeated Iowa was jumped by a 1-loss Oregon team. Iowa might jump back if they beat OSU, but that's not guaranteed. Thankfully, respect doesn't play a part in what bowl each team ends up in.

[ISUCubsFan]

they have to take a non-BCS school if they're undefeated and in the Top 8 of the BCS standings though, right?

 

Nope, only one non-BCS team is guaranteed a spot. Others can be selected, but I doubt they get chosen if enough BCS teams are eligible (maybe over Cinci?). As far as I know, the top 8 rule only applies to ND.

 

http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility

[TruffleShuffle]

you'd think iowa fans would be happy with a 9-0 record, some chance at the title game and a very likely conference championship and rose bowl berth in 19 years, and wouldn't really care about whether their team is respected.

 

this is ridiculous.

 

ok

 

you honestly don't see why Iowa fans would care about the respect their team is given? They have one really challenging game standing between them and an undefeated season, but a lack of respect is likely going to cost them a chance to play for a national title. ETA: even if they beat OSU convincingly, they probably won't jump Texas or the SEC champ.

 

When's the last time an 8-0 Big Ten team was behind an undefeated MAC team in the polls? Or behind both an undefeated MAC and undefeated MWC team in the coaches poll?

 

they're behind a MAC team? i must be looking a different poll than you are. (i'm assuming you meant WAC)

 

here's the thing, though. a lot of the board's iowa fans are smart enough to know that "knowing how to win" is bogus and margin of victory matters. yes, florida and alabama have each had a close shave, but those have come against teams that are fairly good (arkansas, tennessee), not sun belt and i-aa teams. and iowa has been doing it nearly every game. clearly iowa is a good team and they're 9-0, but it's also hard for anybody to rank them ahead of teams like texas, alabama and florida who are winning easily most weeks against similar competition while iowa is winning nailbiters every week.

[manbearcub]

you'd think iowa fans would be happy with a 9-0 record, some chance at the title game and a very likely conference championship and rose bowl berth in 19 years, and wouldn't really care about whether their team is respected.

 

this is ridiculous.

 

ok

 

you honestly don't see why Iowa fans would care about the respect their team is given? They have one really challenging game standing between them and an undefeated season, but a lack of respect is likely going to cost them a chance to play for a national title. ETA: even if they beat OSU convincingly, they probably won't jump Texas or the SEC champ.

 

When's the last time an 8-0 Big Ten team was behind an undefeated MAC team in the polls? Or behind both an undefeated MAC and undefeated MWC team in the coaches poll?

 

they're behind a MAC team? i must be looking a different poll than you are. (i'm assuming you meant WAC)

 

here's the thing, though. a lot of the board's iowa fans are smart enough to know that "knowing how to win" is bogus and margin of victory matters. yes, florida and alabama have each had a close shave, but those have come against teams that are fairly good (arkansas, tennessee), not sun belt and i-aa teams. and iowa has been doing it nearly every game. clearly iowa is a good team and they're 9-0, but it's also hard for anybody to rank them ahead of teams like texas, alabama and florida who are winning easily most weeks against similar competition while iowa is winning nailbiters every week.

link to us claiming we should be ahead of texas, bama, or florida?

[Derwood]

they have to take a non-BCS school if they're undefeated and in the Top 8 of the BCS standings though, right?

 

Nope, only one non-BCS team is guaranteed a spot. Others can be selected, but I doubt they get chosen if enough BCS teams are eligible (maybe over Cinci?). As far as I know, the top 8 rule only applies to ND.

 

http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility

 

So TCU would get the auto-berth, and Boise State would have to get in as an at-large (which I think they very well could based on recent BCS bowl performances).

 

I'd like to think a 2-loss USC is out of the BCS picture, but we know how much the pollsters love them.

[Keener98]

We get to make another kansas team look like they're fifth graders this week, yay lol

 

Just to be fair here.

 

KSU's Defense > KU's Defense

 

Our offense isn't very good. I was talking about our defense dominating you guys. KU only got six points on our starters, i wonder how much you guys will get..

 

30, quite the dominating defense by your team.

[TruffleShuffle]

link to us claiming we should be ahead of texas, bama, or florida?

 

oh so your smug and sarcastic posts about iowa are because of.... i don't know what.

[bcl412]

the question is how can Iowa plan an SEC team in a bowl game? What has to shake out for that to occur.

 

Why, you want to watch us beat down your conference again? :D

 

First of all, who is this "us" you referred to? Do you play for Iowa? If not, you can drop the "us".

 

Second of all, Iowa did not beat the SEC in their Bowl Game last season. They did not play the SEC. They beat South Carolina.

 

A. I have a degree from the school I can say us. They represent my University, State and me. If you don't like it don't I really don't care.

B. Iowa is 3-1 vs the SEC under Ferentz

C. Don't whine about stupid things. It's weird.

D. Tennessee sucks at football

[ISUCubsFan]

they have to take a non-BCS school if they're undefeated and in the Top 8 of the BCS standings though, right?

 

Nope, only one non-BCS team is guaranteed a spot. Others can be selected, but I doubt they get chosen if enough BCS teams are eligible (maybe over Cinci?). As far as I know, the top 8 rule only applies to ND.

 

http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility

 

So TCU would get the auto-berth, and Boise State would have to get in as an at-large (which I think they very well could based on recent BCS bowl performances).

 

I'd like to think a 2-loss USC is out of the BCS picture, but we know how much the pollsters love them.

 

Yeah, Boise might pass TCU again if Oregon keeps winning, but unless they finish 1-2 one of them has to be an at large. USC will definitely be eligible if they win out, and will almost certainly be chosen over a non-BCS team for $$$ purposes. The best hope for TCU+Boise is for no 2nd option to be available (top 14) in 4 of the 6 conferences + ND. Possible but the math doesn't look good right now.

[Tracer Bullet]

you'd think iowa fans would be happy with a 9-0 record, some chance at the title game and a very likely conference championship and rose bowl berth in 19 years, and wouldn't really care about whether their team is respected.

 

this is ridiculous.

 

ok

 

you honestly don't see why Iowa fans would care about the respect their team is given? They have one really challenging game standing between them and an undefeated season, but a lack of respect is likely going to cost them a chance to play for a national title. ETA: even if they beat OSU convincingly, they probably won't jump Texas or the SEC champ.

 

When's the last time an 8-0 Big Ten team was behind an undefeated MAC team in the polls? Or behind both an undefeated MAC and undefeated MWC team in the coaches poll?

 

they're behind a MAC team? i must be looking a different poll than you are. (i'm assuming you meant WAC)

 

here's the thing, though. a lot of the board's iowa fans are smart enough to know that "knowing how to win" is bogus and margin of victory matters. yes, florida and alabama have each had a close shave, but those have come against teams that are fairly good (arkansas, tennessee), not sun belt and i-aa teams. and iowa has been doing it nearly every game. clearly iowa is a good team and they're 9-0, but it's also hard for anybody to rank them ahead of teams like texas, alabama and florida who are winning easily most weeks against similar competition while iowa is winning nailbiters every week.

 

Yes, WAC. And Iowa is doing it with a mediocre QB and their #4 RB. They had a nail biter against UNI, no doubt. Arkansas State was close, but they didn't really have a good chance to win (down 3 with less than 20 seconds to go at your own 20 yard line isn't a "good chance" to win). UM was a "nail-biter" and they won on a last minute drive at MSU at night. But they blew out ISU and beat a now-top 20 Arizona team, a then-top 5 PSU (on the road), and a now top-25 Wisconsin team (again, on the road) all by 2 scores or more. Then they destroyed Indiana (yes, 42-24 is a big margin).

 

Iowa doesn't have a great offense. They're going to struggle to put up 30 points in any game. But they have a great defense that gets better as the game goes on. They aren't going to blow a lot of teams out b/c their QB isn't good and they're this close to pulling a student out of the stands to play RB.

 

I think it's interesting that they beat "good" opponents by more than they beat "bad" teams. Gives me hope that they'll show up to OSU and beat them soundly to move into the title discussion.

[bcl412]

you'd think iowa fans would be happy with a 9-0 record, some chance at the title game and a very likely conference championship and rose bowl berth in 19 years, and wouldn't really care about whether their team is respected.

 

I'd be very happy with a Rose Bowl. That completes one of the two sport "accomplishments" that I want to see in my life. The other would be Cubs in the World Series. But, like any fan of a sports team, I want to see my team win the biggest championship possible and seeing that the nature of college football is that you need to get respect from others I try to argue for my team.

 

If college football was like other sports and had a playoff I couldn't care less about respect. I don't know if Iowa deserves a title shot or not (they've struggled against really mediocre to bad teams) they most likely don't if there are other undefeated BCS teams but man, it would suck a little bit to go undefeated and not get a chance to be champion.

[TruffleShuffle]

Then they destroyed Indiana (yes, 42-24 is a big margin).

 

come on. they trailed by more than a touchdown going into the fourth quarter. part of the margin of victory was an interception returned 90 yards for a touchdown after the ball bounced off of 30 players, and indiana also got jobbed out of 7 points by a terrible review ruling. in addition to that they needed indiana to completely choke and then give up to win by that margin.

[OleMissCub]

I'd be very happy with a Rose Bowl. That completes one of the two sport "accomplishments" that I want to see in my life.

 

A Rose Bowl appearance is that massive of a deal to you that it is one of 2 things you want to see in your sports life?

[bcl412]

I'd be very happy with a Rose Bowl. That completes one of the two sport "accomplishments" that I want to see in my life.

 

A Rose Bowl appearance is that massive of a deal to you that it is one of 2 things you want to see in your sports life?

 

No not really. But in terms of realistic things it is. I've seen a Packers Super Bowl and Iowa is probably not going to get to a National Championship in the current system so a Rose Bowl (or a Rose Bowl win I should say) is top of the mountain. There was a time when the Rose Bowl was a massive deal and I guess I am still of that mindset.

 

I'd probably add Iowa final four appearance to that list but that's just laughable.

[manbearcub]

I'd be very happy with a Rose Bowl. That completes one of the two sport "accomplishments" that I want to see in my life.

 

A Rose Bowl appearance is that massive of a deal to you that it is one of 2 things you want to see in your sports life?

You're out of your element here.

[OleMissCub]

I'd be very happy with a Rose Bowl. That completes one of the two sport "accomplishments" that I want to see in my life.

 

A Rose Bowl appearance is that massive of a deal to you that it is one of 2 things you want to see in your sports life?

You're out of your element here.

 

How is that? It seemed like he was setting his sights a little low to me, but then he clarified that these were his "realistic" hopes.

[Tracer Bullet]

Then they destroyed Indiana (yes, 42-24 is a big margin).

 

come on. they trailed by more than a touchdown going into the fourth quarter. part of the margin of victory was an interception returned 90 yards for a touchdown after the ball bounced off of 30 players, and indiana also got jobbed out of 7 points by a terrible review ruling. in addition to that they needed indiana to completely choke and then give up to win by that margin.

 

so fumble/INT returns shouldn't count in the final score? b/c that's going to turn a few of Iowa's nailbiters into bigger wins (Arkansas State had a 75 yard pick 6, UM had a pick 6, probably others). Iowa's defense causes TOs. Why is that a bad thing for Iowa? The overturned TD may or may not have been a TD. I didn't see a replay that showed convincingly that he was in. I can certainly see why the replay guys thought his leg landed out at the same time the foot landed in. It was a close play. Playing the what if game with the most recent victory while not looking in detail at all the other games is sort of a load of crap though.

 

Stanzi had a crappy 3rd Qtr and a very good 4th Qtr. Indiana's not a great team. They have some talent, but they have a lot of flaws. Shouldn't be surprising that as the game goes on, the better team is going to pull away. With the obvious exception of points scored in "garbage time" when both teams have scrubs in, it's surprising to me that 4th Qtr points are somehow less valuable in your opinion than points scored earlier in the game.

 

They won by 18. It wasn't a nail-biter.

[Andy]

I'm not sure why Oklahoma State is still as high as they are. Their best win is at home over Georgia, who's been borne out to not be all that good. And they just got blitzed at home, albeit by Texas.

[bcl412]

Then they destroyed Indiana (yes, 42-24 is a big margin).

 

come on. they trailed by more than a touchdown going into the fourth quarter. part of the margin of victory was an interception returned 90 yards for a touchdown after the ball bounced off of 30 players, and indiana also got jobbed out of 7 points by a terrible review ruling. in addition to that they needed indiana to completely choke and then give up to win by that margin.

 

so fumble/INT returns shouldn't count in the final score? b/c that's going to turn a few of Iowa's nailbiters into bigger wins (Arkansas State had a 75 yard pick 6, UM had a pick 6, probably others). Iowa's defense causes TOs. Why is that a bad thing for Iowa? The overturned TD may or may not have been a TD. I didn't see a replay that showed convincingly that he was in. I can certainly see why the replay guys thought his leg landed out at the same time the foot landed in. It was a close play. Playing the what if game with the most recent victory while not looking in detail at all the other games is sort of a load of crap though.

 

Stanzi had a crappy 3rd Qtr and a very good 4th Qtr. Indiana's not a great team. They have some talent, but they have a lot of flaws. Shouldn't be surprising that as the game goes on, the better team is going to pull away. With the obvious exception of points scored in "garbage time" when both teams have scrubs in, it's surprising to me that 4th Qtr points are somehow less valuable in your opinion than points scored earlier in the game.

 

They won by 18. It wasn't a nail-biter.

 

I don't think it's fair to say that was an 18 point game. It was closer than that and if it weren't for the weird pick 6 then it might be a blowout the other way. But Iowa outscored Indiana 35-3 in the second half. What would people's perceptions be if Iowa was up 35-3 at the end of the first half and then won by the same score?

[TruffleShuffle]

I don't think it's fair to say that was an 18 point game. It was closer than that and if it weren't for the weird pick 6 then it might be a blowout the other way. But Iowa outscored Indiana 35-3 in the second half. What would people's perceptions be if Iowa was up 35-3 at the end of the first half and then won by the same score?

 

their opinion would have been completely different, but then again there's a big difference between leading by four scores at halftime and trailing a bad team by more than a touchdown going into the fourth quarter. indiana tensed up and choked, then completely quit after giving up the lead. that was pretty obvious.

[Exile on Waveland]

I'm not sure why Oklahoma State is still as high as they are. Their best win is at home over Georgia, who's been borne out to not be all that good. And they just got blitzed at home, albeit by Texas.

 

Was thinking the same thing earlier while perusing the poll. They're vastly overrated.