Cubs fire Von Joshua

[Guest]

Stupid move after an equally stupid move earlier in the year.

 

My guess is they make another stupid move and promote Sandberg.

 

Why don't you like him?

Disagreement in (admittedly perceived) philosophy. From what I have been able to glean, Sandberg preaches a more aggressive style.

 

Would the hitting coach be able to override the philosophy of the manager? Lou seems to preach patience to a significant degree (especially considering he hired Perry), so would he condone Ryno coming in and promoting a highly aggressive style?

 

For the record, I wanted to keep Perry and I wish we would have kept Joshua as well.

I don't know. Does Lou's lame duck status impact that?

 

For the record, I would have kept Perry and left Joshua helping get our minor leaguers ready.

[Keener98]

Prediction....Cubs hire Sandberg as hitting coach...Cubs severely underperform in 1st month/month in a half of the season....Lou quits/fired....and Sandberg takes over as Manager.....NSBB explodes

[dew1679666265]

[i don't know. Does Lou's lame duck status impact that?

 

That's a good question. I could see Hendry insisting that Lou agree to Ryno being promoted, but would Lou agree to allowing Sandberg to teach a philosophy he doesn't agree with?

 

I don't know that Hendry would do that and I don't know that Lou would stick around for that.

[E.J.]

I might bomb Wrigley if Sandberg becomes coach. He's been a minor league coach for what, 2 years? Add that to the fact that he likes to "play the game the right way" by bunting in the 1st inning and being aggressive.

[imb]

Prediction....Cubs hire Sandberg as hitting coach...Cubs severely underperform in 1st month/month in a half of the season....Lou quits/fired....and Sandberg takes over as Manager.....NSBB explodes

 

that thread would be epic... it's almost worth it

[bhogg]

My feelings are partially based on rumblings that I've heard that Sandberg preaches a more aggressive approach at the plate. They're also partially based on the incredible failure rate of HOF players as coaches. I'll also admit it isn't entirely fair to Ryne to hold that against him as he isn't the past coaches that have failed.

 

He wrote a series of columns for Yahoo that heavily advocated sacrifice bunting, hits and runs, and ripped on a variety of statistics. I don't know how that will affect his skills as a hitting instructor, but I'm guessing this team is going to work on a whole lotta bunting next season if he's the hitting coach.

 

 

 

Man, those yahoo columns were [expletive] brutal. I wonder if they are archived?

[Outshined_One]

My feelings are partially based on rumblings that I've heard that Sandberg preaches a more aggressive approach at the plate. They're also partially based on the incredible failure rate of HOF players as coaches. I'll also admit it isn't entirely fair to Ryne to hold that against him as he isn't the past coaches that have failed.

 

He wrote a series of columns for Yahoo that heavily advocated sacrifice bunting, hits and runs, and ripped on a variety of statistics. I don't know how that will affect his skills as a hitting instructor, but I'm guessing this team is going to work on a whole lotta bunting next season if he's the hitting coach.

 

 

 

Man, those yahoo columns were [expletive] brutal. I wonder if they are archived?

 

The column's title was Making Contact, but a cursory Google search doesn't turn up much.

[NCCubFan]

I [expletive] hate this stupid [expletive] organization. No wonder we haven't won in 102 [expletive] years. We're run by a bunch of [expletive] idiots.

Milton Bradley, is that you? :D

[Tarver]

One would hope Ricketts comes in and puts an end to all this foolishness.

 

But if he decides to take a hands off approach for a few years like Lerner did, it could easily be another five+ years before this team contends again.

[Guest]

My feelings are partially based on rumblings that I've heard that Sandberg preaches a more aggressive approach at the plate. They're also partially based on the incredible failure rate of HOF players as coaches. I'll also admit it isn't entirely fair to Ryne to hold that against him as he isn't the past coaches that have failed.

 

He wrote a series of columns for Yahoo that heavily advocated sacrifice bunting, hits and runs, and ripped on a variety of statistics. I don't know how that will affect his skills as a hitting instructor, but I'm guessing this team is going to work on a whole lotta bunting next season if he's the hitting coach.

 

 

 

Man, those yahoo columns were [expletive] brutal. I wonder if they are archived?

 

The column's title was Making Contact, but a cursory Google search doesn't turn up much.

 

Here are three columns I found. By clicking on his name or the photo, however, it doesn't give an archive of his columns and these were the three that came up with a google search of "ryne sandberg yahoo making".

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=rs-mailbag080405&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=rs-mailbag051905&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=rs-fourforfour051705&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Guest]

What a waste of one of the few good minor league resources in this organization. And this after getting rid of a good hitting coach in Perry too.

[Guest]

My feelings are partially based on rumblings that I've heard that Sandberg preaches a more aggressive approach at the plate. They're also partially based on the incredible failure rate of HOF players as coaches. I'll also admit it isn't entirely fair to Ryne to hold that against him as he isn't the past coaches that have failed.

 

He wrote a series of columns for Yahoo that heavily advocated sacrifice bunting, hits and runs, and ripped on a variety of statistics. I don't know how that will affect his skills as a hitting instructor, but I'm guessing this team is going to work on a whole lotta bunting next season if he's the hitting coach.

 

Earlier this season, Ryno had the #3 hitter for Tennessee sac bunt in the first inning after the first two batters had walked. ](*,)

[biittner77]

Earlier this season, Ryno had the #3 hitter for Tennessee sac bunt in the first inning after the first two batters had walked

 

I could see Sandberg doing that as one of those "I'm the manager and you will do what I tell you moments" just to make a point. I can't believe he did this on a regular basis.

 

I'm not a big fan of having position players bunt but if he is going to try to do that I would hope that they'd work on it more so that they can at least accomplish what they're trying to do. Giving away outs is bad enough. Giving them away without getting anything out of it is even worse.

[Tracer Bullet]

If the Cubs hire Sandberg as manager in 2011, I'm going to have to find a new team. I can't have my son growing up thinking Sandberg's stupid managerial style is "playing the game the right way." Not only that, but it'll just be that many more years without a title as we piss away outs left and right.

[KingCubsFan]

My feelings are partially based on rumblings that I've heard that Sandberg preaches a more aggressive approach at the plate. They're also partially based on the incredible failure rate of HOF players as coaches. I'll also admit it isn't entirely fair to Ryne to hold that against him as he isn't the past coaches that have failed.

 

He wrote a series of columns for Yahoo that heavily advocated sacrifice bunting, hits and runs, and ripped on a variety of statistics. I don't know how that will affect his skills as a hitting instructor, but I'm guessing this team is going to work on a whole lotta bunting next season if he's the hitting coach.

 

Earlier this season, Ryno had the #3 hitter for Tennessee sac bunt in the first inning after the first two batters had walked. ](*,)

Lou would never do that, so why does anyone care? Everything about Sandberg in this thread suggests he would be a terrible manager, but I haven't seen anything regarding his ability to be a good hitting coach.

[dew1679666265]

Earlier this season, Ryno had the #3 hitter for Tennessee sac bunt in the first inning after the first two batters had walked

 

I could see Sandberg doing that as one of those "I'm the manager and you will do what I tell you moments" just to make a point. I can't believe he did this on a regular basis.

 

Living just south of Knoxville, I heard a number of Smokies games. Ryno calling for a bunt from the #3 hitter was a bit out of the ordinary, but he consistently wanted to bunt runners over, hit and run and made a number of outs trying to steal third or being too aggressive sending runners to third (he was the third base coach).

 

With Lou as manager, though, I don't know that any of that would translate to him as a hitting coach. Just as a manager.

[Guest]

One would hope Ricketts comes in and puts an end to all this foolishness.

 

But if he decides to take a hands off approach for a few years like Lerner did, it could easily be another five+ years before this team contends again.

Maybe he's behind this nonsense?

 

Nightmare scenario: The guy is a "true fan" who met his wife in the bleachers during the run of the 1984 Cubs. He idolizes Sandberg and knows next to nothing about baseball, but since he made billions (with his dad's money) he thinks he understands baseball well enough to know that it's about all the little things (sac bunting, hitting behind the runner, being aggressive, and playing "the right way".)

 

hyperventilating... must stop...

[Tyrant]

Nightmare scenario: The guy is a "true fan" who met his wife in the bleachers during the run of the 1984 Cubs. He idolizes Sandberg and knows next to nothing about baseball, but since he made billions (with his dad's money) he thinks he understands baseball well enough to know that it's about all the little things (sac bunting, hitting behind the runner, being aggressive, and playing "the right way".)

 

I had the same thought. Still recovering from the self-inflicted burns.

[Guest]

The first move by the Cubs next GM should be to hire Gerald Perry as the Cubs hitting instructor.

 

Hendry has completely lost his freakin' mind.

 

Someone please sneak into his office and tell me that Hendry has one of those wheel spinner things that dictates what his next move will be. That's got to be it.

 

Get more left handed, sign guys who can catch the ball, fire talented hitting coaches, trade for guys with World Series rings, sign someone to a ridiculous, long term contract that will haunt the Cubs for longer than people will remember who Jim Hendry WAS, etc.....

[Tarver]

Jimmy's Front Office Dice.

[Soul]

One would hope Ricketts comes in and puts an end to all this foolishness.

 

But if he decides to take a hands off approach for a few years like Lerner did, it could easily be another five+ years before this team contends again.

Maybe he's behind this nonsense?

 

Nightmare scenario: The guy is a "true fan" who met his wife in the bleachers during the run of the 1984 Cubs. He idolizes Sandberg and knows next to nothing about baseball, but since he made billions (with his dad's money) he thinks he understands baseball well enough to know that it's about all the little things (sac bunting, hitting behind the runner, being aggressive, and playing "the right way".)

 

hyperventilating... must stop...

 

Yeah, this whole "he's a true Cub fan" deal -- as if that will automatically mean he's going to be great.

 

I really want to know what kind of organization he's going to run. What is he going to emphasize? If it's nothing more than assembling a troupe of former Cub players, I think we're in trouble. But -- I'll give him a chance.

[CUBZ99]

One would hope Ricketts comes in and puts an end to all this foolishness.

 

But if he decides to take a hands off approach for a few years like Lerner did, it could easily be another five+ years before this team contends again.

Maybe he's behind this nonsense?

 

Nightmare scenario: The guy is a "true fan" who met his wife in the bleachers during the run of the 1984 Cubs. He idolizes Sandberg and knows next to nothing about baseball, but since he made billions (with his dad's money) he thinks he understands baseball well enough to know that it's about all the little things (sac bunting, hitting behind the runner, being aggressive, and playing "the right way".)

 

hyperventilating... must stop...

 

Yeah, this whole "he's a true Cub fan" deal -- as if that will automatically mean he's going to be great.

 

I really want to know what kind of organization he's going to run. What is he going to emphasize? If it's nothing more than assembling a troupe of former Cub players, I think we're in trouble. But -- I'll give him a chance.

 

Yes, I will defer judgment on the new ownership group until they actually take ownership and start to make moves. It seems like the family knows a thing or too about running a successful business, and they handled Zell fairly well, so lets see what happens. I think most people are excited about them being Cub fans, solely because we hope that they will have a passion to put together a winning team.

[jersey cubs fan]

If the Cubs hire Sandberg as manager in 2011, I'm going to have to find a new team. I can't have my son growing up thinking Sandberg's stupid managerial style is "playing the game the right way." Not only that, but it'll just be that many more years without a title as we piss away outs left and right.

 

 

You lived through Donny Buntball and Dusty Baker, I think you can live through the failings of Ryno.

[Guest]

If the Cubs hire Sandberg as manager in 2011, I'm going to have to find a new team. I can't have my son growing up thinking Sandberg's stupid managerial style is "playing the game the right way." Not only that, but it'll just be that many more years without a title as we piss away outs left and right.

 

 

You lived through Donny Buntball and Dusty Baker, I think you can live through the failings of Ryno.

Mike Scioscia is kind of like what I picture Sandberg would be like if he managed. We all have to hope that the Cubs keep the talent spigot flowing one way or the other, because it is the only thing that keeps Scioscia in a job.

[Laura]

If the Cubs hire Sandberg as manager in 2011, I'm going to have to find a new team. I can't have my son growing up thinking Sandberg's stupid managerial style is "playing the game the right way." Not only that, but it'll just be that many more years without a title as we piss away outs left and right.

 

 

You lived through Donny Buntball and Dusty Baker, I think you can live through the failings of Ryno.

 

There are future generations to consider now!