Cubs have Cameron on their radar..

[jersey cubs fan]

That wouldn't really make sense because Cameron has pretty much been the same hitter for the last 12 years. He's old, that's about the only mark against him.

 

I was going to call you out on the same hitter comment but man, you are right, he has been remarkably consistent. Of course he had performance enhancers to help with that and he's about to be 37.

[dew1679666265]

Cameron would be an OK option if we were looking for a number 6 or 7 hitter, but were not, we need, as Lou said a middle of the order run producer. Mike Cameron is not that. At best he could be a number 2 hitter. Mike Camerons line will more than likely be worse than Milton Bradleys, but who cares, hes a great guy. If we knew that Soriano and Soto would rebound next year, I suppose we could sign Cameron for 5-6 mil, if we have to eat Bradleys contract and hopefully Miles' for desert.

 

What better options are there that could be affordable? If somebody will take Bradley's contract, that's one thing, but it's very unlikely.

[TruffleShuffle]

Cameron would be an OK option if we were looking for a number 6 or 7 hitter, but were not, we need, as Lou said a middle of the order run producer. Mike Cameron is not that. At best he could be a number 2 hitter. Mike Camerons line will more than likely be worse than Milton Bradleys, but who cares, hes a great guy. If we knew that Soriano and Soto would rebound next year, I suppose we could sign Cameron for 5-6 mil, if we have to eat Bradleys contract and hopefully Miles' for desert.

 

maybe we should just trade for albert pujols.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Cameron would be an OK option if we were looking for a number 6 or 7 hitter, but were not, we need, as Lou said a middle of the order run producer. Mike Cameron is not that. At best he could be a number 2 hitter. Mike Camerons line will more than likely be worse than Milton Bradleys, but who cares, hes a great guy. If we knew that Soriano and Soto would rebound next year, I suppose we could sign Cameron for 5-6 mil, if we have to eat Bradleys contract and hopefully Miles' for desert.

 

maybe we should just trade for albert pujols.

 

We could always, you know, keep Milton Bradley, and if he has a problem he can opt out of his contract.

 

I really cant justify paying Bradley 20 mil to play elsewhere, and meanwhile sign Cameron to an additional 10 mil.

[SouthSideRyan]

We could always, you know, keep Milton Bradley, and if he has a problem he can opt out of his contract.

 

No he can't. He can complain and threaten to sit out, and then the Cubs could suspend him again, and the MLBPA can get involved and the Cubs could lose and wind up paying his whole contract.

[jersey cubs fan]

We could always, you know, keep Milton Bradley, and if he has a problem he can opt out of his contract.

 

No he can't. He can complain and threaten to sit out, and then the Cubs could suspend him again, and the MLBPA can get involved and the Cubs could lose and wind up paying his whole contract.

 

If he never shows the Cubs wont' be on the hook for the entire contract.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Cameron would be an OK option if we were looking for a number 6 or 7 hitter, but were not, we need, as Lou said a middle of the order run producer. Mike Cameron is not that. At best he could be a number 2 hitter. Mike Camerons line will more than likely be worse than Milton Bradleys, but who cares, hes a great guy. If we knew that Soriano and Soto would rebound next year, I suppose we could sign Cameron for 5-6 mil, if we have to eat Bradleys contract and hopefully Miles' for desert.

 

 

YEAH WE NEED SOMEONE WHO CAN HIT 5th! NOT 6th! FOR CRYING OUT LOUD YOU GUYS!!!

[SouthSideRyan]

We could always, you know, keep Milton Bradley, and if he has a problem he can opt out of his contract.

 

No he can't. He can complain and threaten to sit out, and then the Cubs could suspend him again, and the MLBPA can get involved and the Cubs could lose and wind up paying his whole contract.

 

If he never shows the Cubs wont' be on the hook for the entire contract.

 

Worked for Derek Bell.

[inari]

Cameron would be an OK option if we were looking for a number 6 or 7 hitter, but were not, we need, as Lou said a middle of the order run producer. Mike Cameron is not that. At best he could be a number 2 hitter. Mike Camerons line will more than likely be worse than Milton Bradleys, but who cares, hes a great guy. If we knew that Soriano and Soto would rebound next year, I suppose we could sign Cameron for 5-6 mil, if we have to eat Bradleys contract and hopefully Miles' for desert.

 

You can keep burying your head and the sand and saying Mike Cameron isn't good if you want, but a few people have already shown he's a pretty good player.

[hawkeyecub]

How has he rated defensively the last 2 years?

[Rob]

How has he rated defensively the last 2 years?

 

Quite well. 11.3 runs above average each of the last two years according to UZR... though he did that in a mere 119 games last year, so he's probably declining a bit.

[DiamondMind]

Can't we just keep Milton?

[17 Seconds]

Cameron would be an OK option if we were looking for a number 6 or 7 hitter, but were not, we need, as Lou said a middle of the order run producer. Mike Cameron is not that. At best he could be a number 2 hitter. Mike Camerons line will more than likely be worse than Milton Bradleys, but who cares, hes a great guy. If we knew that Soriano and Soto would rebound next year, I suppose we could sign Cameron for 5-6 mil, if we have to eat Bradleys contract and hopefully Miles' for desert.

 

Why are you so obsessed with lineup order?

 

Sombody asked you who the better options are. You still haven't said any.

 

How are we going to afford a "middle of the order hitter"? We might not even be able to afford to offer Harden arbitation, and we're supposed to be able to get some badass hitter this offseason?

 

Mike Cameron is an .800 OPS center fielder with awesome defense. There's a very very good chance that is our best option.

[davearm2]

Kosuke Fukudome is an .800 OPS center fielder with awesome defense. And he's already under contract.

[SouthSideRyan]

Kosuke Fukudome is an .800 OPS center fielder with awesome defense. And he's already under contract.

 

Kosuke doesn't play awesome defense in CF, and costs roughly twice as much as what Cameron will cost.

[davearm2]

Kosuke Fukudome is an .800 OPS center fielder with awesome defense. And he's already under contract.

 

Kosuke doesn't play awesome defense in CF, and costs roughly twice as much as what Cameron will cost.

It's not an either or. They're paying Fukudome regardless.

[Rob]

Kosuke Fukudome is an .800 OPS center fielder with awesome defense. And he's already under contract.

 

Average defense.

[SouthSideRyan]

Kosuke Fukudome is an .800 OPS center fielder with awesome defense. And he's already under contract.

 

Kosuke doesn't play awesome defense in CF, and costs roughly twice as much as what Cameron will cost.

It's not an either or. They're paying Fukudome regardless.

 

Kosuke is capable of playing RF.

[davearm2]

I assume you guys are looking at UZR scores on fangraphs.

 

They show Fukudome with terrific range as a RF, but terrible range as a CF. That doesn't really pass the smell test for me, especially when the other metrics line up fairly consistently from RF to CF. His speed's the same. His read on balls is probably very nearly the same. The numbers just don't make any logical sense, even considering that CF is a larger area to cover. I'm highly suspicious of the conclusion that Fukudome is average or worse in CF.

[davearm2]

Kosuke Fukudome is an .800 OPS center fielder with awesome defense. And he's already under contract.

 

Kosuke doesn't play awesome defense in CF, and costs roughly twice as much as what Cameron will cost.

It's not an either or. They're paying Fukudome regardless.

 

Kosuke is capable of playing RF.

Obviously.

 

The point is, Cameron's value as a CF is diminished, since they can put Fukudome there.

 

If Bradley's gone, then the Cubs need a new OF. They don't need a new CF specifically.

[SouthSideRyan]

It's pretty well accepted that a good defensive RF would translate to an average CF. There are obviously exceptions based on certain players being better suited for a certain position. It's not that Fukudome became a worse fielder, it's that he's being compared to much better fielders because teams put their best OFs in CF(ideally)

[ELCABALLO45]

Kosuke Fukudome is an .800 OPS center fielder with awesome defense. And he's already under contract.

 

Average defense.

 

Actually he is below avg. defensivly in CF.

 

He is above avg in right field.

 

Look at Cam's and Fukudome's line this year and its pretty creepy how close they are...

 

Cam - .252/.345/.449

Fuku - .257/.372/.419

[SouthSideRyan]

Kosuke Fukudome is an .800 OPS center fielder with awesome defense. And he's already under contract.

 

Kosuke doesn't play awesome defense in CF, and costs roughly twice as much as what Cameron will cost.

It's not an either or. They're paying Fukudome regardless.

 

Kosuke is capable of playing RF.

Obviously.

 

The point is, Cameron's value as a CF is diminished, since they can put Fukudome there.

 

If Bradley's gone, then the Cubs need a new OF. They don't need a new CF specifically.

 

Missed this at first. The reason I'd be ok with Cameron is because I think he'd be a short-term deal, and cheap compared to his skill. Even if Kosuke's defense is marginalized by being in RF, it's still valuable. You're improving your defense in 2 positions by making this move. The alternative(as far as guys that are better hitters than Cameron) has you spending huge money on Bay or Holliday, and I just don't think we'll be able to afford it. It's hard to forecast anything considering ownership, but I'm not comfortable banking on a 30M payroll increase.

[17 Seconds]

Kosuke Fukudome is an .800 OPS center fielder with awesome defense. And he's already under contract.

 

So? Your logic doesn't really make sense. Either that or your post has no point. You're not benching Kosuke. Since Fukudome can play right or center, it doesn't really make a difference whether or not the Cubs got a RF or CF. The fact that Cameron plays a good center is just as relevant. Since Fuku will be playing no matter what, he's not relevant to this discussion. We're talking about options to replace Bradley. Fukudome has nothing to do with that. Cameron is still an .800 OPS center fielder with good defense, and it would let the Cubs slide Fukudome back to his natural position.

 

And more importantly, as others mentioned, Kosuke does not play an awesome center field at all.

[17 Seconds]

Kosuke Fukudome is an .800 OPS center fielder with awesome defense. And he's already under contract.

 

Kosuke doesn't play awesome defense in CF, and costs roughly twice as much as what Cameron will cost.

It's not an either or. They're paying Fukudome regardless.

 

Exactly. Which is why Fukudome doesn't have anything to do with this conversation.