Re: 2009 Chicago Blackhawks

[kujay]

here is the salary chart for the Hawks. Site also has every team in teh NHL. It is kind of interesting.

 

A Wings suggested that the Hawks may trade Hossa after this season to make everything work. Interesting thought.

 

I can't say that had crossed my mind. I'd like to know what we have first before we start talking about unloading him. :)

 

But he does have a cap-friendly contract, that's for sure. And it would fit with my suggestion that they unload skill guys here and there to reload the system.

[NewUserName]

here is the salary chart for the Hawks. Site also has every team in teh NHL. It is kind of interesting.

 

A Wings suggested that the Hawks may trade Hossa after this season to make everything work. Interesting thought.

 

I think you forgot the link :)

 

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=CHI&season=0910

 

oops

[Soul]

here is the salary chart for the Hawks. Site also has every team in teh NHL. It is kind of interesting.

 

A Wings suggested that the Hawks may trade Hossa after this season to make everything work. Interesting thought.

 

I think you forgot the link :)

 

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=CHI&season=0910

 

oops

 

Thanks! Not a bad site.

[RedFlash]

here is the salary chart for the Hawks. Site also has every team in teh NHL. It is kind of interesting.

 

A Wings suggested that the Hawks may trade Hossa after this season to make everything work. Interesting thought.

 

I can't say that had crossed my mind. I'd like to know what we have first before we start talking about unloading him. :)

 

But he does have a cap-friendly contract, that's for sure. And it would fit with my suggestion that they unload skill guys here and there to reload the system.

 

I'm not keen on trading quality players a year after signing with the club. That could hinder the Hawks ability to land a free agent in the future if said player thinks he might be traded very soon after signing. Besides, I really want to see what Hossa can do with young'ins like Toews, Kane, etc, etc. So no, I hope the Hawks don't even consider trading Hossa.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

A number of web sites are reporting that Duncan Keith will sign a deal that, as ESPN’s Jesse Rogers said, “will keep [Keith] in Chicago for the rest of his career.” A number of sources, including TSN’s Bob McKenzie, have rumored that Keith’s offer from the Blackhawks is a 13-year deal with a cap number between $5.5 and $5.75M per season.

 

McKenzie, again one of a number of sources, are also reporting that Toews and Kane, who share an agent, will sign similar deals. The rumor there is that the two young stars will receive five-year extensions with cap numbers between $6 and $6.5M per season,

 

As McKenzie writes, these numbers would put the Hawks’ signed roster for 2010-11 at $61M, which is nearly $5M over this season salary cap. Rumors are that the NHL will lower it’s salary cap in 2010-11, meaning the Hawks will need to shed salary off their existing roster to make it under next year’s cap.

 

 

http://committedindians.com/update-more-on-contract-extensions-for-toews-kane-and-keith/

[Hall7810]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/11/blackhawks-toews-kane-and-keith-agree-to-extensions.html

 

They all signed. Even though he's younger than Hossa, isn't the Keith contract sorta thumbing your nose at Daly's office? I mean, just last week, he called long contract like that, "cheat contracts." I guess we'll have to see how it is structured.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Link is dead

[Butterscup1679666578]

This article was posted like 20 minutes ago and says there are just a few things left to finalize:

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/chi-18-blackhawks-chicago-nov18,0,3362152.story

[Butterscup1679666578]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/11/blackhawks-toews-kane-and-keith-agree-to-extensions.html

 

They all signed. Even though he's younger than Hossa, isn't the Keith contract sorta thumbing your nose at Daly's office? I mean, just last week, he called long contract like that, "cheat contracts." I guess we'll have to see how it is structured.

 

Now it's back up. Good stuff.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/11/blackhawks-toews-kane-and-keith-agree-to-extensions.html

 

They all signed. Even though he's younger than Hossa, isn't the Keith contract sorta thumbing your nose at Daly's office? I mean, just last week, he called long contract like that, "cheat contracts." I guess we'll have to see how it is structured.

No, it's about signing one of the best young defensivemen in the league for as long term as possible at a cheap rate. To no do so would be stupid.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/11/blackhawks-toews-kane-and-keith-agree-to-extensions.html

 

They all signed. Even though he's younger than Hossa, isn't the Keith contract sorta thumbing your nose at Daly's office? I mean, just last week, he called long contract like that, "cheat contracts." I guess we'll have to see how it is structured.

 

The problem contracts are those that pay a huge portion of the money up front and then finish with a few years of bare minimum payments, and usually take guys into their age 40 season or beyond. There's nothing wrong with a long term deal where the average cap hit at least closely proximates the yearly salary. A deal that pays Keith $6-7m early and $3-4m per toward the end of adeal that takes him to 39 shouldn't be all that much of an issue.

[Soul]

The full Trib article still says the deals are pending and the full story link on the Chicago Breaking news site is not functional.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/chi-18-blackhawks-chicago-nov18,0,3362152.story

 

Says there are still a few loose ends. I think its pretty safe to say this is done though. The bleacher report is speculating that the Hawks may have to actually determine who is going to be gone before the deals are finalized:

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/293231-chicago-blackhawks-contract-update-tag-someones-out

[NewUserName]

The full Trib article still says the deals are pending and the full story link on the Chicago Breaking news site is not functional.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/chi-18-blackhawks-chicago-nov18,0,3362152.story

 

Says there are still a few loose ends. I think its pretty safe to say this is done though. The bleacher report is speculating that the Hawks may have to actually determine who is going to be gone before the deals are finalized:

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/293231-chicago-blackhawks-contract-update-tag-someones-out

 

A couple of posters on a Wings site said the same thing, I turns out you cannot go over next years salary cap. This may be the hold up with the signings. Just for those scoring at home if these contracts are true the Hawks will be 5 million over next years cap. That will only be for 16 players

[jersey cubs fan]

The full Trib article still says the deals are pending and the full story link on the Chicago Breaking news site is not functional.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/chi-18-blackhawks-chicago-nov18,0,3362152.story

 

Says there are still a few loose ends. I think its pretty safe to say this is done though. The bleacher report is speculating that the Hawks may have to actually determine who is going to be gone before the deals are finalized:

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/293231-chicago-blackhawks-contract-update-tag-someones-out

 

A couple of posters on a Wings site said the same thing, I turns out you cannot go over next years salary cap. This may be the hold up with the signings. Just for those scoring at home if these contracts are true the Hawks will be 5 million over next years cap. That will only be for 16 players

 

You can't go over next year's salary cap this year? But they don't even know what it will be.

[NewUserName]

The full Trib article still says the deals are pending and the full story link on the Chicago Breaking news site is not functional.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/chi-18-blackhawks-chicago-nov18,0,3362152.story

 

Says there are still a few loose ends. I think its pretty safe to say this is done though. The bleacher report is speculating that the Hawks may have to actually determine who is going to be gone before the deals are finalized:

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/293231-chicago-blackhawks-contract-update-tag-someones-out

 

A couple of posters on a Wings site said the same thing, I turns out you cannot go over next years salary cap. This may be the hold up with the signings. Just for those scoring at home if these contracts are true the Hawks will be 5 million over next years cap. That will only be for 16 players

 

You can't go over next year's salary cap this year? But they don't even know what it will be.

 

I guess what it basically says is that a team cannot exceed whatever the current cap is. It is widely thought that next years cap will actually go down also.

[jersey cubs fan]

I guess what it basically says is that a team cannot exceed whatever the current cap is. It is widely thought that next years cap will actually go down also.

 

That's crazy. Yes, it's widely thought that it will go down. But under better economic situations it should go up every year, that would make it nearly impossible to resign anybody during the season - unless you were significantly below the cap that year.

 

I have serious doubts about this claim. Every major media outlet is reporting deals are imminent, and if what you say is true, the only way this can happen is if the Blackhawks trade away Sharp, Buff, Huet and/or Campbell before the contracts are signed, and nobody is reporting anything about such a deal or even hinting that such a deal is close.

[NewUserName]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/story/?id=298728&hubname=nhl-blackhawks

 

In the article there is a paragraph about "tagging" issues. What Mackenzie is talking about is that a team is not allowed to go over the current salary cap with committed contracts the next year.

 

It is possible to extend players because most teams have only 35-45 million committed for the following season. To extend a player or two usually would not over commit that team for the next season. The Hawks currently have 43 M committed to next season. So to extend 2 of the 3 would not be an issue. By signing all three to what looks to be somewhere in the 18 M range would put them over the cap with committed salaries. Anyway it appears that the collective bargaining agreement does not allow this.

 

I think it is going to be interesting to see how the Hawks juggle all of this.

[jersey cubs fan]

In any case, it's pretty obvious the Hawks are going to have to shed some salary at some point. No one should suggest it's impossible to do. But the interesting question is whether GM Stan Bowman will do any of the trimming this season or wait until the off season.

 

 

Something is being lost in translation here. Everybody is reporting this is all but done, nobody is reporting they are about to make the necessary follow-up moves to make it fit. You can either be committed over the cap next season up to a certain date, or you can't at all. If this is all but done, and what you say is true, then it can't be true that Bowman might wait to do some trimming.

[kujay]

ESPN is saying Bowman may have to move someone now.

[jersey cubs fan]

ESPN is saying Bowman may have to move someone now.

 

Move them now or now they are reporting? How is it that nobody picked up on this part of the story before?

[TruffleShuffle]

they will have to move somebody at some point. the key is having guys who perform up to the level of their contract. nobody was going to take danny briere's contract off the flyers hands, but joffrey lupul was reasonably priced at around $4M per year so the flyers were able to swing him to anaheim so they could take on pronger's contract.

[NewUserName]

ESPN is saying Bowman may have to move someone now.

 

Move them now or now they are reporting? How is it that nobody picked up on this part of the story before?

 

I wonder if most reporters even knew it was a rule. I didnt until yesterday.

[brinoch]

Hawks are playing tonight on the road. Huet's been very, very, very good.

[17 Seconds]

i fuckin love this team

[Butterscup1679666578]

This is just a good ol fashioned ass-kicking tonight. Love it.