2009 Chicago Bears Preseason Thread - A new era begins

[David]

The backup quarterback does not matter.

 

If the backup quarterback ever matters, we're screwed, regardless.

 

 

Do you think Colts, Saints, Patriots, Chargers, Packers, Falcons, etc. fans are worried about the battle for their backup qb spot?

[Soul]

Backup qbs have come in and saved seasons in some cases. I disagree with your statement, it's too strong.

[Magnetic Curses]

and it's uncommon for it to happen.

 

i guess you can look at it as a good thing that we'd be screwed if our starter went down, because i've never felt that it would have made this much difference before.

[Mark Priors Calves]

The backup quarterback does not matter.

 

If the backup quarterback ever matters, we're screwed, regardless.

 

 

Do you think Colts, Saints, Patriots, Chargers, Packers, Falcons, etc. fans are worried about the battle for their backup qb spot?

 

Bernstein?

[Vanilla Ice]

The backup quarterback does not matter.

 

If the backup quarterback ever matters, we're screwed, regardless.

 

 

Do you think Colts, Saints, Patriots, Chargers, Packers, Falcons, etc. fans are worried about the battle for their backup qb spot?

There is some debate over whether Redman or Shockley should be the backup for the Falcons

[Butterscup1679666578]

If this team was stacked at WR and had a top-three D, the backup QB might matter. If Cutler were to get hurt, we're not a good enough team elsewhere on the field for the backup QB to be able to save the season.

[RedFlash]

Last year among guys who started 10+ games, only Bulger, Favre, Frerotte, Romo and Roethlisberger had a higher INT%. Two of those guys are out of football.

 

You can say it's because he had to do too much but that's just who he is and it's what everyone said he would be coming out of college. Don't get me wrong, he's a stud and I wish like hell the Vikings would have been able to make that deal. He'll complete a good percentage, he can get the ball downfield, he'll score touchdowns but he'll also make a good number of bad decisions where he forces the ball and throws picks.

 

That's because Cutler has all the confidence in the world to make any throw at any time. Sometimes that is a strength, sometimes it's a weakness. I don't mind the 10-15 INTs, as long as he is throwing 25-30 TDs.

[UMFan83]

Since we finally have a QB to have confidence in, the fans are now going to insist they have a QB battle, and will complain about the backup QB position.

[Soul]

Since we finally have a QB to have confidence in, the fans are now going to insist they have a QB battle, and will complain about the backup QB position.

 

Oh, I think you'll find that some Bear fans will spare no opportunity to complain about the starter, too.

[Wilson A2000]

If Cutler or any starter goes down for the season, that team won't go anywhere. But a good backup can hold the fort down if the starter is just injured for a few games. That can be the difference between getting in the playoffs and holding the team steady until the starter gets back.

[Derwood]

If Cutler or any starter goes down for the season, that team won't go anywhere. But a good backup can hold the fort down if the starter is just injured for a few games. That can be the difference between getting in the playoffs and holding the team steady until the starter gets back.

 

unless your backup is Tom Brady

 

or Jeff Hostettler

[NCCubFan]

If Cutler or any starter goes down for the season, that team won't go anywhere. But a good backup can hold the fort down if the starter is just injured for a few games. That can be the difference between getting in the playoffs and holding the team steady until the starter gets back.

 

unless your backup is Tom Brady

 

or Jeff Hostettler

Or, going back several years earlier, Earl Morrall. He lead both the Baltimore Colts (replacing Johnny Unitas) and the Dolphins (replacing Bob Griese) to the playoffs. In fact, that was the Dolphins' undefeated year when Morrall replaced Griese.

[Rusch33]

Cutler's like Favre. Lots of great passes, amazing arm strength, lots of dumb passes.

 

Exactly.

[hawkeyecub]

Last year among guys who started 10+ games, only Bulger, Favre, Frerotte, Romo and Roethlisberger had a higher INT%. Two of those guys are out of football.

 

You can say it's because he had to do too much but that's just who he is and it's what everyone said he would be coming out of college. Don't get me wrong, he's a stud and I wish like hell the Vikings would have been able to make that deal. He'll complete a good percentage, he can get the ball downfield, he'll score touchdowns but he'll also make a good number of bad decisions where he forces the ball and throws picks.

 

That's because Cutler has all the confidence in the world to make any throw at any time. Sometimes that is a strength, sometimes it's a weakness. I don't mind the 10-15 INTs, as long as he is throwing 25-30 TDs.

 

So what? So did Favre.

 

By the way you just backed up the point of the guy you originally disagreed with. Someone said Cutler would likely force passes all year long. You said once he got comfortable you didn't think he would. Now you just said he might because he has a lot of confidence.

 

You also said the most passes a Bears QB has thrown was 480. Last year the Bears threw 528 times and they'll probably increase that number simply because they have a legit QB now. So if he's healthy he'll probably throw 525-550 times this year. At his normal percentage that would put him at 16-18 interceptions. Which again is not a terrible thing when he's giving you everything else he can do. People were just saying you should expect that.

[Keener98]

Cutler's like Favre. Lots of great passes, amazing arm strength, lots of dumb passes.

 

Exactly.

 

That Brett Favre guy seemed to have a pretty decent career, if thats what we get from Cutler, I guess its ok............... I mean not everyone can be a Sage Rosenfels, or a Tavaris Jackson.

[Soul]

Last year among guys who started 10+ games, only Bulger, Favre, Frerotte, Romo and Roethlisberger had a higher INT%. Two of those guys are out of football.

 

You can say it's because he had to do too much but that's just who he is and it's what everyone said he would be coming out of college. Don't get me wrong, he's a stud and I wish like hell the Vikings would have been able to make that deal. He'll complete a good percentage, he can get the ball downfield, he'll score touchdowns but he'll also make a good number of bad decisions where he forces the ball and throws picks.

 

That's because Cutler has all the confidence in the world to make any throw at any time. Sometimes that is a strength, sometimes it's a weakness. I don't mind the 10-15 INTs, as long as he is throwing 25-30 TDs.

 

So what? So did Favre.

 

By the way you just backed up the point of the guy you originally disagreed with. Someone said Cutler would likely force passes all year long. You said once he got comfortable you didn't think he would. Now you just said he might because he has a lot of confidence.

 

You also said the most passes a Bears QB has thrown was 480. Last year the Bears threw 528 times and they'll probably increase that number simply because they have a legit QB now. So if he's healthy he'll probably throw 525-550 times this year. At his normal percentage that would put him at 16-18 interceptions. Which again is not a terrible thing when he's giving you everything else he can do. People were just saying you should expect that.

 

What's your point with this? To remind us poor stupid Bear fans that Cutler will throw INTs because we can't figure out that he willl? I haven't heard anyone on here saying Cutler won't throw INTs.

[UMFan83]

If Cutler or any starter goes down for the season, that team won't go anywhere. But a good backup can hold the fort down if the starter is just injured for a few games. That can be the difference between getting in the playoffs and holding the team steady until the starter gets back.

 

unless your backup is Tom Brady

 

or Jeff Hostettler

 

Tom Brady wasn't Tom Brady until he was given the chance to become Tom Brady. I'm not saying Calib Haine is going to be a franchise QB, I mean Tom Brady was the starting QB of some pretty good Michigan teams, but he was about as regarded as Chad Henne in terms of pro potential.

[UMFan83]

 

By the way you just backed up the point of the guy you originally disagreed with. Someone said Cutler would likely force passes all year long. You said once he got comfortable you didn't think he would. Now you just said he might because he has a lot of confidence.

 

I know your not arguing against this, but I just wanted to say I don't care if he throws a good number of INTs. Our QBs typically throw a lot of INTs, but they don't pass for nearly as many TVs, have as many completions, or have a high completion %. So we're getting the same number of INTs, but more of everything else.

[hawkeyecub]

Last year among guys who started 10+ games, only Bulger, Favre, Frerotte, Romo and Roethlisberger had a higher INT%. Two of those guys are out of football.

 

You can say it's because he had to do too much but that's just who he is and it's what everyone said he would be coming out of college. Don't get me wrong, he's a stud and I wish like hell the Vikings would have been able to make that deal. He'll complete a good percentage, he can get the ball downfield, he'll score touchdowns but he'll also make a good number of bad decisions where he forces the ball and throws picks.

 

That's because Cutler has all the confidence in the world to make any throw at any time. Sometimes that is a strength, sometimes it's a weakness. I don't mind the 10-15 INTs, as long as he is throwing 25-30 TDs.

 

So what? So did Favre.

 

By the way you just backed up the point of the guy you originally disagreed with. Someone said Cutler would likely force passes all year long. You said once he got comfortable you didn't think he would. Now you just said he might because he has a lot of confidence.

 

You also said the most passes a Bears QB has thrown was 480. Last year the Bears threw 528 times and they'll probably increase that number simply because they have a legit QB now. So if he's healthy he'll probably throw 525-550 times this year. At his normal percentage that would put him at 16-18 interceptions. Which again is not a terrible thing when he's giving you everything else he can do. People were just saying you should expect that.

 

What's your point with this? To remind us poor stupid Bear fans that Cutler will throw INTs because we can't figure out that he willl? I haven't heard anyone on here saying Cutler won't throw INTs.

 

Did you read the thread? Read what Red Flash was saying originally. That was the point.

[hawkeyecub]

Cutler's like Favre. Lots of great passes, amazing arm strength, lots of dumb passes.

 

Exactly.

 

That Brett Favre guy seemed to have a pretty decent career, if thats what we get from Cutler, I guess its ok............... I mean not everyone can be a Sage Rosenfels, or a Tavaris Jackson.

 

Of course you would be that guy...

 

By the way I believe Rusch is a Cowboys fan.

[Magnetic Curses]

just go the [expletive] away, dude.

 

we all know the team from your town will destroy the team from our town in the upcoming sporting contest. we have been enlightened. you can leave, now, balance has returned to the force.

 

i'll send the signal up when you're needed.

[RedFlash]

Did you read the thread? Read what Red Flash was saying originally. That was the point.

 

All I was saying not all ints are created equally. If Cutler throws more TDs then INTs (say for instance 29 Tds and 13 INTs) then I really don't care about the INTs. Now if his if he throws the same amount or more INTs as TDs (say 20 TDs and 25 INTs) then it becomes a problem. Even with new WRs, I expect Cutler to have similar numbers in 2009 as he did in 2008.

 

That's what my point is, how overrated INTs can be. It's now how many a QB throws, it's when he throws them that will be my concern.

[UMFan83]

just go the [expletive] away, dude.

 

we all know the team from your town will destroy the team from our town in the upcoming sporting contest. we have been enlightened. you can leave, now, balance has returned to the force.

 

i'll send the signal up when you're needed.

 

Not sure if you were going for that, but this definitely reminds me of my favorite onion article of all time.

 

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33426

 

an excerpt:

As you can see from the calendar, the game is coming up this weekend. I'm sure you are as excited for it as I am, as our cities are rivals and have been for quite some time. Your confidence in your team is high, but rest assured, you will suffer humiliation when the sports team from my area defeats the sports team from your area.

 

On numerous occasions, you have expressed the conviction that your area's sports team will be victorious. I must admit that every time I hear you make this proclamation, I react with both laughter and disbelief. "Ha!" I say to myself with laughter. "What?!" I say to myself in disbelief. How could you believe that your sports team could beat my sports team? It is clear that yours is inferior in every way.

 

When the sporting contest begins, the players on your team will be treated as though they are inconsequential. It will be remarkably easy for my team to accumulate more points than yours. There are many reasons for this, starting with the inferior physical attributes of the players representing your area. Strength, speed, and agility are just three of the qualities that the players on the team from your area lack. The players representing my area, on the other hand, have these traits in abundance.

 

I would not be a bit surprised if the individuals on the team from your area were sexually attracted to members of their own gender. That is how ineffective they are on the field of battle.

[Magnetic Curses]

yes, that's the article i was referencing.

[dew1679666265]

Last year among guys who started 10+ games, only Bulger, Favre, Frerotte, Romo and Roethlisberger had a higher INT%. Two of those guys are out of football.

 

You can say it's because he had to do too much but that's just who he is and it's what everyone said he would be coming out of college. Don't get me wrong, he's a stud and I wish like hell the Vikings would have been able to make that deal. He'll complete a good percentage, he can get the ball downfield, he'll score touchdowns but he'll also make a good number of bad decisions where he forces the ball and throws picks.

 

I agree with your overall asessment of Cutler, but the INT% stat is a bit misleading.

 

Out of that list of QBs, only three threw more TDs than INTS - Cutler (25:18), Romo (26:14) and Roethlisberger (17:15). Cutler's main benefit to a team is that even though he'll throw a lot of interceptions, he'll throw more TDs. Keep in mind he's still very young as well, so while he'll likely always throw a decent number of picks, he could still improve his ratio considerably as he develops.