Rios to the White Sox

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Oh and, nothing to say about Dave Cameron's post?

 

Oh, and nothing about how Rios' LD% plummeted this season?

I'll go ahead and say that I doubt his LD% fall off by a couple percentage points at the age of 28.

 

Your turn.

 

Huh? That post didn't even make sense.

 

You used BABIP for this season to show that he's just been unlucky. The low LD% (something that should always be used with BABIP) shows that he has not been hitting the ball hard. It is by far the lowest of his career.

 

This just in. If you don't hit the ball hard, you're going to have a low BABIP.

 

And I read the article. It was pretty good. Nothing in it has to do with my argument though, which is simply that Rios is overrated as a hitter.

 

A lot of people make him out to be Evan Longoria, when really he's been more Robison Cano so far.

[17 Seconds]

this is an amazing argument about an incredibly mediocre player who is going from one team not in our league/division to another team not in our league/division

 

mediocre? oh now you've done it. how dare you

 

go read that dave cameron article, dude. it pretty much changed my life

[Vanilla Ice]

Oh and, nothing to say about Dave Cameron's post?

 

Oh, and nothing about how Rios' LD% plummeted this season?

I'll go ahead and say that I doubt his LD% fall off by a couple percentage points at the age of 28.

 

Your turn.

 

Huh? That post didn't even make sense.

 

You used BABIP for this season to show that he's just been unlucky. The low LD% (something that should always be used with BABIP) shows that he has not been hitting the ball hard. It is by far the lowest of his career.

 

This just in. If you don't hit the ball hard, you're going to have a low BABIP.

 

And I read the article. It was pretty good. Nothing in it has to do with my argument though, which is simply that Rios is overrated as a hitter.

 

A lot of people make him out to be Evan Longoria, when really he's been more Robison Cano so far.

Noooooooooo. You said he was the most overrated player in baseball not an overrated hitter. He might be an overrated hitter, but not a overrated player.

 

+ his LD% is a good bet to return to where it has been for the rest of his career. which was my point.

[Vanilla Ice]

this is an amazing argument about an incredibly mediocre player who is going from one team not in our league/division to another team not in our league/division

 

mediocre? oh now you've done it. how dare you

 

go read that dave cameron article, dude. it pretty much changed my life

Yes this is what i said

[manbearcub]

this is an amazing argument about an incredibly mediocre player who is going from one team not in our league/division to another team not in our league/division

i prefer 2%

[17 Seconds]

Oh and, nothing to say about Dave Cameron's post?

 

Oh, and nothing about how Rios' LD% plummeted this season?

I'll go ahead and say that I doubt his LD% fall off by a couple percentage points at the age of 28.

 

Your turn.

 

Huh? That post didn't even make sense.

 

You used BABIP for this season to show that he's just been unlucky. The low LD% (something that should always be used with BABIP) shows that he has not been hitting the ball hard. It is by far the lowest of his career.

 

This just in. If you don't hit the ball hard, you're going to have a low BABIP.

 

And I read the article. It was pretty good. Nothing in it has to do with my argument though, which is simply that Rios is overrated as a hitter.

 

A lot of people make him out to be Evan Longoria, when really he's been more Robison Cano so far.

Noooooooooo. You said he was the most overrated player in baseball not an overrated hitter. He might be an overrated hitter, but not a overrated player.

 

+ his LD% is a good bet to return to where it has been for the rest of his career. which was my point.

 

I know. And my point wasn't to show that he was falling off a cliff at age 28, and you know it. It was in response to your "well, he's been crappy this season, but check out his BABAIP. He's just unlucky!" post.

 

You can't make a post saying that a guy has just been unlucky this season and then fail to mention the fact that he is also hitting the ball much softer this season as well.

 

And I'll admit that in 06 and 07 Rios wasn't ioverrated as an overall player. Unfortunately, those are the only 2 seasons he's done it.

[nilodnayr]

He's actually a pretty undervalued player. This is a good move for the White Sox, IMO.

 

undervalued? rios might be the most overrated player in baseball

Very few people are saying that he is worth his contract outside of a few places. So, there is no way he is the most overrated player in baseball. If he was so overrated, the White Sox would have had to send a token minor-leaguer or something. He is an OK hitter suffering from a little bad luck this year, but he plays excellent defense and plays center. Those are two very undervalued things in the game. I know you don't like UZR, but it has consistently rated him as one of the best defenders in baseball.

 

By consistantly, you mean only 2008, right? Which was a pretty clear outlier in his career.

 

Hes a 1 WAR corner OF. While thats good, lets not go out and anoint him Endy Chavez. Like Rob said, hes an OK player getting paid about market value. Hes adequate in CF or good in a corner and should hit right around his 08 level, flirting with 800 OPS.

[chopsx9]

I'm talking about ov=verrated in terms of the way people talk him up... especially ESPN and such. They constantly make him out to be some superstar hitter. It's not just ESPN though.

 

I live in Toronto and I can tell you he's not thought of that way here. He's constantly dogged by fans and media.

 

I think management thought they were getting him just at the right time when in fact he just flatlined...at best.

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That makes sense though. Toronto fans see him enough to know what he is

[imb]

espn does not make alex rios out to be a superstar hitter

[17 Seconds]

espn does not make alex rios out to be a superstar hitter

 

literally 2 hours ago i heard somebody on mlb network saying that the white sox just acquired "a superstar caliber hitter", in those exact words

[imb]

espn does not make alex rios out to be a superstar hitter

 

literally 2 hours ago i heard somebody on mlb network saying that the white sox just acquired "a superstar caliber hitter", in those exact words

 

that's embarrassing. it was probably larkin.

[Rob]

He's projected to be about exactly worth his contract to an average team...

 

No

 

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to give the impression that I was stating an opinion... much less one that could be refuted by so little as saying "No."

 

I don't mean this article as the gospel, but I don't feel like going to all the hassle myself of explaining why you're wrong. Start here and let me know when you get lost.

 

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/why-should-i-care-about-alex-rios/

[Flames24Rulz]

espn does not make alex rios out to be a superstar hitter

 

literally 2 hours ago i heard somebody on mlb network saying that the white sox just acquired "a superstar caliber hitter", in those exact words

 

Congratulations, you got the wrong network.

 

I'm all for ESPN bashing but they've never panned Alex Rios out to be some sort of superstar. Never. Just because ONE GUY on MLB Network said he's a "superstar caliber player" definitely doesn't mean that and basically everyone else in national sports TV has never said Rios is that good.

 

Now if he puts up those numbers from 2-3 years ago in CF for the Sox, that's a real steal. I'm not a big Rios fan but that contract definitely isn't as bad when he's placed in CF.

[chuckywang]

He's actually a pretty undervalued player. This is a good move for the White Sox, IMO.

 

undervalued? rios might be the most overrated player in baseball

Very few people are saying that he is worth his contract outside of a few places. So, there is no way he is the most overrated player in baseball. If he was so overrated, the White Sox would have had to send a token minor-leaguer or something. He is an OK hitter suffering from a little bad luck this year, but he plays excellent defense and plays center. Those are two very undervalued things in the game. I know you don't like UZR, but it has consistently rated him as one of the best defenders in baseball.

 

By consistantly, you mean only 2008, right? Which was a pretty clear outlier in his career.

 

Hes a 1 WAR corner OF. While thats good, lets not go out and anoint him Endy Chavez. Like Rob said, hes an OK player getting paid about market value. Hes adequate in CF or good in a corner and should hit right around his 08 level, flirting with 800 OPS.

 

Rios is certainly worth more than 1 win over replacement. Hell, Kosuke was almost 2 wins over replacement last year.

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espn does not make alex rios out to be a superstar hitter

 

literally 2 hours ago i heard somebody on mlb network saying that the white sox just acquired "a superstar caliber hitter", in those exact words

 

Congratulations, you got the wrong network.

 

I'm all for ESPN bashing but they've never panned Alex Rios out to be some sort of superstar. Never. Just because ONE GUY on MLB Network said he's a "superstar caliber player" definitely doesn't mean that and basically everyone else in national sports TV has never said Rios is that good.

 

Now if he puts up those numbers from 2-3 years ago in CF for the Sox, that's a real steal. I'm not a big Rios fan but that contract definitely isn't as bad when he's placed in CF.

 

My bad, I forgot that ESPN is soooo much better than MLB Network. Every ESPN on-air employee is very knowledgable, right? BBTN is pretty much brilliant. John Kruk is a mastermind and Fernando Vina knows more than everyone on this board combined. I feel foolish for comparing them to those jokers over at MLBN.

 

I'm aware that I said MLBN. MLB Network, ESPN, etc. It's all the same garbage. I gave that as an example because it was the most recent.

 

I'm all for ESPN bashing but they've never panned Alex Rios out to be some sort of superstar. Never.

 

Unless you watch ESPN 24/7 and have a superhuman memory, that's a pretty ridiculous claim to make. Making that kind of argument is pointless, to boot. You can say "they never do that" as many times as you want. I know what I've seen and heard. Don't tell me what I do and do not hear.

[Tracer Bullet]

espn does not make alex rios out to be a superstar hitter

 

literally 2 hours ago i heard somebody on mlb network saying that the white sox just acquired "a superstar caliber hitter", in those exact words

 

Congratulations, you got the wrong network.

 

I'm all for ESPN bashing but they've never panned Alex Rios out to be some sort of superstar. Never. Just because ONE GUY on MLB Network said he's a "superstar caliber player" definitely doesn't mean that and basically everyone else in national sports TV has never said Rios is that good.

 

Now if he puts up those numbers from 2-3 years ago in CF for the Sox, that's a real steal. I'm not a big Rios fan but that contract definitely isn't as bad when he's placed in CF.

 

My bad, I forgot that ESPN is soooo much better than MLB Network. Every ESPN on-air employee is very knowledgable, right? BBTN is pretty much brilliant. John Kruk is a mastermind and Fernando Vina knows more than everyone on this board combined. I feel foolish for comparing them to those jokers over at MLBN.

 

I'm aware that I said MLBN. MLB Network, ESPN, etc. It's all the same garbage. I gave that as an example because it was the most recent.

 

I'm all for ESPN bashing but they've never panned Alex Rios out to be some sort of superstar. Never.

 

Unless you watch ESPN 24/7 and have a superhuman memory, that's a pretty ridiculous claim to make. Making that kind of argument is pointless, to boot. You can say "they never do that" as many times as you want. I know what I've seen and heard. Don't tell me what I do and do not hear.

 

He never said ESPN was great. You entire first paragraph is an argument against something never said and a waste of time.

 

You made the claim that ESPN, etc made Rios out to be a superstar, but haven't shown anything to support that and public opinion is against you (no one here seems to have a memory of such things, except you). Seems unlikely that you're right and everyone else is wrong on this point.

[Tracer Bullet]

this is an amazing argument about an incredibly mediocre player who is going from one team not in our league/division to another team not in our league/division

 

Seriously? There's a discussion in a thread clearly identified and in the right forum. What's your problem with that?

[Wolfgangbucks]

Steve Stone was going on and on about how the Blue Jays wouldnt just let the Sox have him ala Randy Myers this AM. I wish i had his quotes but it was something like you never see that happen, impossible blah blah blah im steve stone and i know what im talking about. Jays just got the savings they were looking for in the Holladay deal. I think JP got lucky and it was a good move to not pull him back.

 

I believe his smugness said something to this effect - I of course would love to grow to be 7'2" and play in the NBA this winter but the chances of that happening are about equal to the chance that the Jays would let the Sox have Rios for nothing...........................

[abuck1220]

this is an amazing argument about an incredibly mediocre player who is going from one team not in our league/division to another team not in our league/division

 

Seriously? There's a discussion in a thread clearly identified and in the right forum. What's your problem with that?

 

if a guy's not on his team on the ps3, he doesn't care about them.

[17 Seconds]

espn does not make alex rios out to be a superstar hitter

 

literally 2 hours ago i heard somebody on mlb network saying that the white sox just acquired "a superstar caliber hitter", in those exact words

 

Congratulations, you got the wrong network.

 

I'm all for ESPN bashing but they've never panned Alex Rios out to be some sort of superstar. Never. Just because ONE GUY on MLB Network said he's a "superstar caliber player" definitely doesn't mean that and basically everyone else in national sports TV has never said Rios is that good.

 

Now if he puts up those numbers from 2-3 years ago in CF for the Sox, that's a real steal. I'm not a big Rios fan but that contract definitely isn't as bad when he's placed in CF.

 

My bad, I forgot that ESPN is soooo much better than MLB Network. Every ESPN on-air employee is very knowledgable, right? BBTN is pretty much brilliant. John Kruk is a mastermind and Fernando Vina knows more than everyone on this board combined. I feel foolish for comparing them to those jokers over at MLBN.

 

I'm aware that I said MLBN. MLB Network, ESPN, etc. It's all the same garbage. I gave that as an example because it was the most recent.

 

I'm all for ESPN bashing but they've never panned Alex Rios out to be some sort of superstar. Never.

 

Unless you watch ESPN 24/7 and have a superhuman memory, that's a pretty ridiculous claim to make. Making that kind of argument is pointless, to boot. You can say "they never do that" as many times as you want. I know what I've seen and heard. Don't tell me what I do and do not hear.

 

He never said ESPN was great. You entire first paragraph is an argument against something never said and a waste of time.

 

You made the claim that ESPN, etc made Rios out to be a superstar, but haven't shown anything to support that and public opinion is against you (no one here seems to have a memory of such things, except you). Seems unlikely that you're right and everyone else is wrong on this point.

 

He called me out on getting the wrong network, as if MLBN would say something like that, but ESPN is way above it or something. If that's not what he was saying, then pointing out that I "got the wrong network" was useless. I'm fully aware that they're different networks, and he's fully aware that my argument wasn't based on ESPN alone. They're both just examples.

 

And how the hell am I supposed to provide proof of what I said? Sorry, I don't tape ESPN 24/7 in case I need to prove that they said something. Asking me to prove something that's impossible to prove is a weak argument.

 

Whatever, I know what I've heard. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop telling me that I haven't.

[hawkeyecub]

Whatever, I know what I've heard. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop telling me that I haven't.

 

You've never heard it.

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pretty constructive

[YearofDaCubs]

I was cracking up when I heard Steve Stone on the Score a couple days ago say that this waiver move would never go through. He's clueless. I'm surprised that moron still has a fan base.

[Rob]

I was cracking up when I heard Steve Stone on the Score a couple days ago say that this waiver move would never go through. He's clueless. I'm surprised that moron still has a fan base.

 

He's quite good for a color man... not the best or anything, but well above average.

 

The problem is simply that he fancies himself to be more than that... if he'd realize he's never going to make it into a front office, he'd be a lot better off.