Halladay all but gone from Toronto (or not)

[Little Slide Rooter]

Toronto isn't likely going to trade Halladay without including Wells or Rios in that deal to help them financially.

 

I agree, but it reallt seems as though Ricciardi really has no intention of trading Halladay, but wants to make it look like hes trying. I dont know what team would be dumb enough to give up all their top prospects plus take on an albatross of a contract on a bad player. This is one of those rare times when Im glad Hendry doesnt have any money on his hands.

[Backtobanks]

Toronto isn't likely going to trade Halladay without including Wells or Rios in that deal to help them financially.

 

There's no way anybody is going to take Wells unless the Jays pick up at least half of his contract. Rios is a possibility, but I would think the Jays would be better off trading Halladay and Rios seperately since Rios has "some" trade value.

[UK1679666180]

Toronto isn't likely going to trade Halladay without including Wells or Rios in that deal to help them financially.

 

There's no way anybody is going to take Wells unless the Jays pick up at least half of his contract. Rios is a possibility, but I would think the Jays would be better off trading Halladay and Rios seperately since Rios has "some" trade value.

 

Of course Toronto would have to eat some of that contract of Wells, but it still doesn't mean that they would likely play teams off of each other. The only problem including Wells/Rios is that eliminates teams on the cheap (which helps the Cubs since including Wells/Rios would likely eliminate Mil. and STL).

 

Rios doesn't have a trade market now without Tor. taking on some of his contract as well.

[Jehrico]

Toronto isn't likely going to trade Halladay without including Wells or Rios in that deal to help them financially.

 

There's no way anybody is going to take Wells unless the Jays pick up at least half of his contract. Rios is a possibility, but I would think the Jays would be better off trading Halladay and Rios seperately since Rios has "some" trade value.

Unless Toronto takes back a bad contract.

 

If the deal were for Halladay only, we have no chance at landing him. Involving Soriano for Wells or Rios with additional massaging I think we actually could be one of the better fits in the league here.

 

I wonder if Vernon Wells is fixable, and if Hendry would be willing to part with Soriano. I also think Jake Fox is best suited in the AL, and his and Randy Wells values are probably about as high as they're going to get. If we could swing something while holding onto Fox (maybe send Hoff instead?), I wouldn't mind letting Fox and Wells duke it out for LF playing time.

 

The mileage on Halladay's arm is a small concern however. But, I think there's a fit between the Cubs and Jays on this. Don't know if it'll ever happen though.

[Backtobanks]

Toronto isn't likely going to trade Halladay without including Wells or Rios in that deal to help them financially.

 

There's no way anybody is going to take Wells unless the Jays pick up at least half of his contract. Rios is a possibility, but I would think the Jays would be better off trading Halladay and Rios seperately since Rios has "some" trade value.

 

Of course Toronto would have to eat some of that contract of Wells, but it still doesn't mean that they would likely play teams off of each other. The only problem including Wells/Rios is that eliminates teams on the cheap (which helps the Cubs since including Wells/Rios would likely eliminate Mil. and STL).

 

Rios doesn't have a trade market now without Tor. taking on some of his contract as well.

 

 

Rios is still young and his numbers are pretty good if he is considered a CF. His numbers don't look great as a corner OF. The Jays might have to eat some of his contract, but not too much. He's signed for $9.7 next year and then for the next 4 years he's in the $12 - $12.5 range. In his final year he'll be 32 years old.

[Backtobanks]

Toronto isn't likely going to trade Halladay without including Wells or Rios in that deal to help them financially.

 

There's no way anybody is going to take Wells unless the Jays pick up at least half of his contract. Rios is a possibility, but I would think the Jays would be better off trading Halladay and Rios seperately since Rios has "some" trade value.

Unless Toronto takes back a bad contract.

 

If the deal were for Halladay only, we have no chance at landing him. Involving Soriano for Wells or Rios with additional massaging I think we actually could be one of the better fits in the league here.

 

I wonder if Vernon Wells is fixable, and if Hendry would be willing to part with Soriano. I also think Jake Fox is best suited in the AL, and his and Randy Wells values are probably about as high as they're going to get. If we could swing something while holding onto Fox (maybe send Hoff instead?), I wouldn't mind letting Fox and Wells duke it out for LF playing time.

 

The mileage on Halladay's arm is a small concern however. But, I think there's a fit between the Cubs and Jays on this. Don't know if it'll ever happen though.

 

The Jays taking on a bad contract (Soriano) makes no sense. The point of trading off one of the best pitchers in baseball is to rebuild with a boatload of good prospects. Basically your dealing Soriano for Vernon Wells, so you would still have to come up with 3-4 top prospects for Halladay. Soriano and Wells are probably two of the most untradeable players in baseball because of their contracts.

[Jehrico]

You're neglecting to consider who the GM is there in Toronto. Surely there's at least one GM that would consider this buying low on Soriano and wouldn't be too scared by the contract if we were taking a bad one of theirs back.

[UK1679666180]

Also consider that Halladay has leverage as well. If I was him, I'm thinking... "if you want me to waive my no trade clause, I want a 4 year deal close to market value around 18-20 mil per year".

[Jehrico]

Also consider that Halladay has leverage as well. If I was him, I'm thinking... "if you want me to waive my no trade clause, I want a 4 year deal close to market value around 18-20 mil per year".

And I'll only agree to a trade to the Cubs. :)

[rocket]

Also consider that Halladay has leverage as well. If I was him, I'm thinking... "if you want me to waive my no trade clause, I want a 4 year deal close to market value around 18-20 mil per year".

And I'll only agree to a trade to the Cubs. :)

 

i heard from a source in toronto that halladay was singing "go cubs go" in a bar with his buddies. a trade appears imminent.

[shnsajax]

Also consider that Halladay has leverage as well. If I was him, I'm thinking... "if you want me to waive my no trade clause, I want a 4 year deal close to market value around 18-20 mil per year".

And I'll only agree to a trade to the Cubs. :)

 

i heard from a source in toronto that halladay was singing "go cubs go" in a bar with his buddies. a trade appears imminent.

 

=D>

[Backtobanks]

Also consider that Halladay has leverage as well. If I was him, I'm thinking... "if you want me to waive my no trade clause, I want a 4 year deal close to market value around 18-20 mil per year".

And I'll only agree to a trade to the Cubs. :)

 

i heard from a source in toronto that halladay was singing "go cubs go" in a bar with his buddies. a trade appears imminent.

 

Are you sure he wasn't singing "No Cubs No" instead.

[inari]

Rosenthal just reiterated his certainty that Halladay will be traded. Hm. Not much to add, but I'd be interested to explore it.

[XZero771679666304]

Rosenthal just reiterated his certainty that Halladay will be traded. Hm. Not much to add, but I'd be interested to explore it.

 

If you mean the Cubs should explore it, the pieces just aren't there.

[Cubswin11]

Rosenthal just reiterated his certainty that Halladay will be traded. Hm. Not much to add, but I'd be interested to explore it.

I am guessing we'd have to start with something like

 

Vitters

Cashner

Jackson/Carpenter

Thomas/Castro/Burke

then probably 2 lower ceiling guys like Hart, Ascanio, Gaub, or Stevens

 

Which would completely decimate what is left of our system. It's just not gonna happen.

[XZero771679666304]

Rosenthal just reiterated his certainty that Halladay will be traded. Hm. Not much to add, but I'd be interested to explore it.

I am guessing we'd have to start with something like

 

Vitters

Cashner

Jackson/Carpenter

Thomas/Castro/Burke

then probably 2 lower ceiling guys like Hart, Ascanio, Gaub, or Stevens

 

Which would completely decimate what is left of our system. It's just not gonna happen.

 

This. And even then other teams could offer more MLB ready young talent.

[Cubswin11]

Rosenthal just reiterated his certainty that Halladay will be traded. Hm. Not much to add, but I'd be interested to explore it.

I am guessing we'd have to start with something like

 

Vitters

Cashner

Jackson/Carpenter

Thomas/Castro/Burke

then probably 2 lower ceiling guys like Hart, Ascanio, Gaub, or Stevens

 

Which would completely decimate what is left of our system. It's just not gonna happen.

 

This. And even then other teams could offer more MLB ready young talent.

Yeah I think there can be a pretty good argument made that we have some of the better talent in MLB in AA and lower but all those guys are at least 2 years away from the majors (with exception of maybe Cashner and Jackson if he continues to dominate) with most guys being 3+ years away. We just don't have impact guys in the upper level of the minors that can be up this year or even next year.

[Jehrico]

If they insist on another team taking back Vernon Wells, then Halladay becomes MUCH cheaper, and almost any team should be able to offer enough for him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If they insist on another team taking back Vernon Wells, then Halladay becomes MUCH cheaper, and almost any team should be able to offer enough for him.

 

Problem then is the deal becomes a hell of a lot more expensive money wise, really limiting the potantial suiters. If that is the case, you can consider the Cardinals and Brewers out of the hunt.

[Backtobanks]

If they insist on another team taking back Vernon Wells, then Halladay becomes MUCH cheaper, and almost any team should be able to offer enough for him.

 

Halladay doesn't become cheaper, he becomes untradeable. Repeat after me "Nobody Will Take Wells In A Trade.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If they insist on another team taking back Vernon Wells, then Halladay becomes MUCH cheaper, and almost any team should be able to offer enough for him.

 

Halladay doesn't become cheaper, he becomes untradeable. Repeat after me "Nobody Will Take Wells In A Trade.

 

The Yankees might if the Jays dont mind sending him there. New Yankee Stadium would be the ideal place for a guy like Wells to find himself.

[Backtobanks]

If they insist on another team taking back Vernon Wells, then Halladay becomes MUCH cheaper, and almost any team should be able to offer enough for him.

 

Halladay doesn't become cheaper, he becomes untradeable. Repeat after me "Nobody Will Take Wells In A Trade.

 

The Yankees might if the Jays dont mind sending him there. New Yankee Stadium would be the ideal place for a guy like Wells to find himself.

 

While I agree that the Yankees might be the team that could afford to take a chance on him, that's still an awful amount of money to pay in the future hoping that someone will find himself. Also, would Wells "find himself" with the daily scrutiny of NY media and fans? Finally, would the Yankees virtually strip their minor league system (6+ prospects) for a sure thing (Halladay) and a really expensive long-term committment to someone looking to "find himself"? The Yankees would probably be very interested if the deal included Rios instead of Wells.

[Vanilla Ice]

They wouldn't have to strip their minor league system if they took Wells

[Jehrico]

If they insist on another team taking back Vernon Wells, then Halladay becomes MUCH cheaper, and almost any team should be able to offer enough for him.

 

Halladay doesn't become cheaper, he becomes untradeable. Repeat after me "Nobody Will Take Wells In A Trade.

Absolutely dead wrong. Nobody will take Wells in a trade for something useful. There's plenty of other bad contracts out there that other teams may not mind swapping for Wells, depending on the other factors in the trade. For example, you know the Giants would do a Zito for Wells swap in a heartbeat.

[Backtobanks]

They wouldn't have to strip their minor league system if they took Wells

 

The Jays have already stated that it would be much more expensive in terms of prospects for a team in the AL East (Yankees) to acquire Halladay. Since the rumors are already stating the Jays would get probably 4 prospects for Halladay alone, I would think 2 more for Wells isn't out of the question unless they up the quality of the prospects. If adding Wells to the deal decreases Halladay's value, they would be crazy to include him.