Time for a 3-way deal

[Backtobanks]

This is the first 3-way trade proposal that I've made trying to keep the money almost as close to equal as possible. I'm assuming the Nationals and the Royals are ready to raise the white flag.

 

Royals need a SS, Nationals need pitching, Cubs need a 3B.

 

Royals get: Freel and Christian Guzman

Nationals get: Juan Cruz, Ron Mahay, Cotts, Miles, Hart/Patton

Cubs get: Teahen, Beimel

 

Obviously names like Cruz, Mahay, Freel, Miles, and Beimel are basically to balance the money situation.

 

The money breakdown 2009 (half season): Nationals break even, Royals save .9 million, Cubs add .9 million.

2010 breakdown: Royals add 4.75 million, Nats save 2.05 million, Cubs save 2.7 million

[A-Cal]

why would the royals do that??

[dew1679666265]

This is the first 3-way trade proposal that I've made trying to keep the money almost as close to equal as possible. I'm assuming the Nationals and the Royals are ready to raise the white flag.

 

Royals need a SS, Nationals need pitching, Cubs need a 3B.

 

Royals get: Freel and Christian Guzman

Nationals get: Juan Cruz, Ron Mahay, Cotts, Miles, Hart/Patton

Cubs get: Teahen, Beimel

 

Obviously names like Cruz, Mahay, Freel, Miles, and Beimel are basically to balance the money situation.

 

The money breakdown 2009 (half season): Nationals break even, Royals save .9 million, Cubs add .9 million.

2010 breakdown: Royals add 4.75 million, Nats save 2.05 million, Cubs save 2.7 million

 

First problem - Patton cannot be traded without first passing through waivers (I believe)

 

Second - as A-Cal asked, what's the incentive for the Royals? You mentioned they're ready to wave the white flag, but neither Freel nor Guzman are pieces for the future. Both are aged and declining.

 

I love it for the Cubs, though.

[illiniguy]

I almost think the Royals will trade Gordon before Teahan. I would be all over Gordon.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I almost think the Royals will trade Gordon before Teahan. I would be all over Gordon.

 

Gordons over team control for a few years, and nowhere near his ceiling. Teahens on a 1 year deal.

[dew1679666265]

I almost think the Royals will trade Gordon before Teahan. I would be all over Gordon.

 

I'd take Gordon and be ecstatic. What makes you think they'd trade him?

[illiniguy]

I almost think the Royals will trade Gordon before Teahan. I would be all over Gordon.

 

I'd take Gordon and be ecstatic. What makes you think they'd trade him?

A lot of fans around here have already given up on the guy. Listening to sports talk radio they are all pretty down on him and Hochevar, because they aren't Braun and Lincecum, or Longoria and Ryan Zimmerman. Plus Moustakas isn't too far behind.

 

Although I don't think Moore is dumb enough to give up on him yet, I think he knows that Gordon will get more in return than Teahan would.

[dew1679666265]

I almost think the Royals will trade Gordon before Teahan. I would be all over Gordon.

 

I'd take Gordon and be ecstatic. What makes you think they'd trade him?

A lot of fans around here have already given up on the guy. Listening to sports talk radio they are all pretty down on him and Hochevar, because they aren't Braun and Lincecum, or Longoria and Ryan Zimmerman. Plus Moustakas isn't too far behind.

 

Although I don't think Moore is dumb enough to give up on him yet, I think he knows that Gordon will get more in return than Teahan would.

 

Wells and Blanco for Hochevar and Gordon?

 

:D

[Backtobanks]

why would the royals do that??

 

 

Guzman gives them a SS for this year and next giving them time to develop or trade for a young SS, 3B opens up for Gordon, and Freel provides backup versatility for $0 (Orioles are paying his salary). They have a gigantic hole at SS and had hopes of competing this year and next in the AL Central. Teahen has no real future with the Royals except as a backup or trade bait. The loss of Mahay and Cruz is no big deal.

[BCVM22]

3B opens up for Gordon

 

Third base was never "closed" to Gordon; he's not playing because he's recovering from hip surgery.

[Backtobanks]

3B opens up for Gordon

 

Third base was never "closed" to Gordon; he's not playing because he's recovering from hip surgery.

 

All the more proof that teahen doesn't have any future with the Royals.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I almost think the Royals will trade Gordon before Teahan. I would be all over Gordon.

 

Gordons over team control for a few years, and nowhere near his ceiling. Teahens on a 1 year deal.

 

Teahen isn't a Free Agent until after 2011.

 

That is simply a horrifyingly bad deal for the Royals. Teahen has more value than Guzman, Mahay and Cruz have much more value than "salary throw-in", and Freel has zero value to anybody.

[Tarver]

I almost think the Royals will trade Gordon before Teahan. I would be all over Gordon.

 

Gordons over team control for a few years, and nowhere near his ceiling. Teahens on a 1 year deal.

 

Teahen isn't a Free Agent until after 2011.

 

That is simply a horrifyingly bad deal for the Royals. Teahen has more value than Guzman, Mahay and Cruz have much more value than "salary throw-in", and Freel has zero value to anybody.

 

Every BacktoBanks trade proposal is a horrifyingly bad deal for the other teams involved.

[inari]

Doesn't it get old to make horribly outlandish trade proposals that would absolutely never happen?

 

Yankees get: Koyie Hill

Red Sox get: Melky Cabrera

Cubs get: Mark Teixiera, Alex Rodriguez, Babe Ruth, Jason Bay, Josh Beckett

 

I don't see the allure.

[A-Cal]

Doesn't it get old to make horribly outlandish trade proposals that would absolutely never happen?

 

Yankees get: Koyie Hill

Red Sox get: Melky Cabrera

Cubs get: Mark Teixiera, Alex Rodriguez, Babe Ruth, Jason Bay, Josh Beckett

 

I don't see the allure.

 

cubs don't get wang?

 

NO DEAL

[Little Slide Rooter]

Doesn't it get old to make horribly outlandish trade proposals that would absolutely never happen?

 

Yankees get: Koyie Hill

Red Sox get: Melky Cabrera

Cubs get: Mark Teixiera, Alex Rodriguez, Babe Ruth, Jason Bay, Josh Beckett

 

I don't see the allure.

 

If they dont take Miles off our hands, I aint interested.

[Post Count Padder]

Doesn't it get old to make horribly outlandish trade proposals that would absolutely never happen?

 

Yankees get: Koyie Hill

Red Sox get: Melky Cabrera

Cubs get: Mark Teixiera, Alex Rodriguez, Babe Ruth, Jason Bay, Josh Beckett

 

I don't see the allure.

Ted Williams as a throw-in or no deal.

[Backtobanks]

Doesn't it get old to make horribly outlandish trade proposals that would absolutely never happen?

 

Yankees get: Koyie Hill

Red Sox get: Melky Cabrera

Cubs get: Mark Teixiera, Alex Rodriguez, Babe Ruth, Jason Bay, Josh Beckett

 

I don't see the allure.

 

Doesn't it get old comparing a deal for Teahen to a deal for Teixiera, ARod, Ruth, Bay, and Beckett? I see outlandish trade proposals that aren't going to happen all the time on this site: trade DLee (NTC), get Adrian Gonzalez, etc. None of us (including the "experts") know what value a GM places on his team's talents or needs especially in this economy. The Harden and Garciaparra deals were both deals that nobody saw happening. The bottom line is that Teahen is a decent role player (not star) with an immediate replacement at 3B (Gordon) and the Royals have a big hole at SS which eliminates them from competing until it's filled.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Doesn't it get old to make horribly outlandish trade proposals that would absolutely never happen?

 

Yankees get: Koyie Hill

Red Sox get: Melky Cabrera

Cubs get: Mark Teixiera, Alex Rodriguez, Babe Ruth, Jason Bay, Josh Beckett

 

I don't see the allure.

 

Doesn't it get old comparing a deal for Teahen to a deal for Teixiera, ARod, Ruth, Bay, and Beckett? I see outlandish trade proposals that aren't going to happen all the time on this site: trade DLee (NTC), get Adrian Gonzalez, etc. None of us (including the "experts") know what value a GM places on his team's talents or needs especially in this economy. The Harden and Garciaparra deals were both deals that nobody saw happening. The bottom line is that Teahen is a decent role player (not star) with an immediate replacement at 3B (Gordon) and the Royals have a big hole at SS which eliminates them from competing until it's filled.

 

I think the main point is, we could probably get Teahen without getting fancy. Sure, Beimals a good lefty, but with the Cubs finances they way they are, theres no reason to go after too much. We could probably afford the remaining 2 mil or whatever on Teahens contract, and even if we couldnt, the Royals might be inclined to pay it if we were willing to overpay a bit in terms of prospects. Im not talking Vitters or Jackson, but a bit more than the normal market for a guy like Teahen, which would be like Kevin Hart+ 1 or 2 PTBNL or lower level prospects.

[apete6]

Doesn't it get old to make horribly outlandish trade proposals that would absolutely never happen?

 

Yankees get: Koyie Hill

Red Sox get: Melky Cabrera

Cubs get: Mark Teixiera, Alex Rodriguez, Babe Ruth, Jason Bay, Josh Beckett

 

I don't see the allure.

Ted Williams as a throw-in or no deal.

 

You're as cold as ice...

[jersey cubs fan]

I keep telling my wife this but she's not game.

[illiniguy]

Doesn't it get old to make horribly outlandish trade proposals that would absolutely never happen?

 

Yankees get: Koyie Hill

Red Sox get: Melky Cabrera

Cubs get: Mark Teixiera, Alex Rodriguez, Babe Ruth, Jason Bay, Josh Beckett

 

I don't see the allure.

 

Doesn't it get old comparing a deal for Teahen to a deal for Teixiera, ARod, Ruth, Bay, and Beckett? I see outlandish trade proposals that aren't going to happen all the time on this site: trade DLee (NTC), get Adrian Gonzalez, etc. None of us (including the "experts") know what value a GM places on his team's talents or needs especially in this economy. The Harden and Garciaparra deals were both deals that nobody saw happening. The bottom line is that Teahen is a decent role player (not star) with an immediate replacement at 3B (Gordon) and the Royals have a big hole at SS which eliminates them from competing until it's filled.

 

I think the main point is, we could probably get Teahen without getting fancy. Sure, Beimals a good lefty, but with the Cubs finances they way they are, theres no reason to go after too much. We could probably afford the remaining 2 mil or whatever on Teahens contract, and even if we couldnt, the Royals might be inclined to pay it if we were willing to overpay a bit in terms of prospects. Im not talking Vitters or Jackson, but a bit more than the normal market for a guy like Teahen, which would be like Kevin Hart+ 1 or 2 PTBNL or lower level prospects.

Why would the Royals want to give up a guy who hits, isn't super expensive, can play 6 positions, and they have under control for a bit longer? Especially for some prospects that aren't very good?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Doesn't it get old to make horribly outlandish trade proposals that would absolutely never happen?

 

Yankees get: Koyie Hill

Red Sox get: Melky Cabrera

Cubs get: Mark Teixiera, Alex Rodriguez, Babe Ruth, Jason Bay, Josh Beckett

 

I don't see the allure.

 

Doesn't it get old comparing a deal for Teahen to a deal for Teixiera, ARod, Ruth, Bay, and Beckett? I see outlandish trade proposals that aren't going to happen all the time on this site: trade DLee (NTC), get Adrian Gonzalez, etc. None of us (including the "experts") know what value a GM places on his team's talents or needs especially in this economy. The Harden and Garciaparra deals were both deals that nobody saw happening. The bottom line is that Teahen is a decent role player (not star) with an immediate replacement at 3B (Gordon) and the Royals have a big hole at SS which eliminates them from competing until it's filled.

 

I think the main point is, we could probably get Teahen without getting fancy. Sure, Beimals a good lefty, but with the Cubs finances they way they are, theres no reason to go after too much. We could probably afford the remaining 2 mil or whatever on Teahens contract, and even if we couldnt, the Royals might be inclined to pay it if we were willing to overpay a bit in terms of prospects. Im not talking Vitters or Jackson, but a bit more than the normal market for a guy like Teahen, which would be like Kevin Hart+ 1 or 2 PTBNL or lower level prospects.

Why would the Royals want to give up a guy who hits, isn't super expensive, can play 6 positions, and they have under control for a bit longer? Especially for some prospects that aren't very good?

 

Because hes on a 1 year deal and a FA next year, and not a type A. Hes very versatile and has a decent bat, so he could cost more than the Royals want to spend next year, especially for a "super sub" so why not get a few prospects in return for him now.

[CubColtPacer]

Doesn't it get old to make horribly outlandish trade proposals that would absolutely never happen?

 

Yankees get: Koyie Hill

Red Sox get: Melky Cabrera

Cubs get: Mark Teixiera, Alex Rodriguez, Babe Ruth, Jason Bay, Josh Beckett

 

I don't see the allure.

 

Doesn't it get old comparing a deal for Teahen to a deal for Teixiera, ARod, Ruth, Bay, and Beckett? I see outlandish trade proposals that aren't going to happen all the time on this site: trade DLee (NTC), get Adrian Gonzalez, etc. None of us (including the "experts") know what value a GM places on his team's talents or needs especially in this economy. The Harden and Garciaparra deals were both deals that nobody saw happening. The bottom line is that Teahen is a decent role player (not star) with an immediate replacement at 3B (Gordon) and the Royals have a big hole at SS which eliminates them from competing until it's filled.

 

I think the main point is, we could probably get Teahen without getting fancy. Sure, Beimals a good lefty, but with the Cubs finances they way they are, theres no reason to go after too much. We could probably afford the remaining 2 mil or whatever on Teahens contract, and even if we couldnt, the Royals might be inclined to pay it if we were willing to overpay a bit in terms of prospects. Im not talking Vitters or Jackson, but a bit more than the normal market for a guy like Teahen, which would be like Kevin Hart+ 1 or 2 PTBNL or lower level prospects.

Why would the Royals want to give up a guy who hits, isn't super expensive, can play 6 positions, and they have under control for a bit longer? Especially for some prospects that aren't very good?

 

Because hes on a 1 year deal and a FA next year, and not a type A. Hes very versatile and has a decent bat, so he could cost more than the Royals want to spend next year, especially for a "super sub" so why not get a few prospects in return for him now.

 

As Tiger said earlier in the thread, Teahen is not a free agent after the year. He still will be in his arbitration years.

[bukie]

There are three things I see wrong with this potential deal:

 

1) If the Royals are in fact ready to wave the white flag, it would make absolutely no sense to trade away a player still under organizational control for a couple years in return for older, more expensive options.

2) The Nats may need pitching, but they don't need stopgap bullpen retreads, or to add salary for the sake of salary matching deals. If they're not getting actual prospects, there's no reason to make a deal.

3) The Cubs would essentially be getting the best 2 players in a 10 player deal, and giving up no players that belong on a major league team while at the same time aren't prospects. That just isn't ever going to happen.

 

So, besides the Royals waving a white flag to get older and more expensive, the Nats picking up other teams' retreads and trash to take their shot to win this year, and the Cubs getting 2 players for nothing of value, this deal makes sense.