Rule interpretation in event of an injury

[Springfield_CUBBY]

While discussing the Ankiel injury with a friend, another question came up. What happens when an offensive player is injured while batting?

 

Here is the scenario:

In 2005, Normar injured his groin in a game at Busch Stadium. He hit a grounder to short (IIRC) and was thrown out – but he never left the batter’s box. What would have happened if he had gotten a hit? Let’s say he hit a solid double to the gap, but went down after his first step (like he did in 2005). Obviously, the fielders would have time to coral the ball and throw it in to 1st. But could the umps override that play and give the Cubs a hit? What’s the rule here???

[Hairyducked Idiot]

While discussing the Ankiel injury with a friend, another question came up. What happens when an offensive player is injured while batting?

 

Here is the scenario:

In 2005, Normar injured his groin in a game at Busch Stadium. He hit a grounder to short (IIRC) and was thrown out – but he never left the batter’s box. What would have happened if he had gotten a hit? Let’s say he hit a solid double to the gap, but went down after his first step (like he did in 2005). Obviously, the fielders would have time to coral the ball and throw it in to 1st. But could the umps override that play and give the Cubs a hit? What’s the rule here???

 

You get a hit for reaching base, not for how you hit the ball. I can't imagine why there'd be a rule giving you a free base.

[fromthestretch]

While discussing the Ankiel injury with a friend, another question came up. What happens when an offensive player is injured while batting?

 

Here is the scenario:

In 2005, Normar injured his groin in a game at Busch Stadium. He hit a grounder to short (IIRC) and was thrown out – but he never left the batter’s box. What would have happened if he had gotten a hit? Let’s say he hit a solid double to the gap, but went down after his first step (like he did in 2005). Obviously, the fielders would have time to coral the ball and throw it in to 1st. But could the umps override that play and give the Cubs a hit? What’s the rule here???

 

If the throw beats the runner to the base on a force play, he's out, injury or not.

[Banedon]

What if it was hit out of the park?

[jersey cubs fan]

What if it was hit out of the park?

 

You have to touch all the bases to get the HR. Ventura had a HR turned into a 2B because his teammates mobbed him at 2nd after the winning run already crossed the plate. My guess is the guy would have to crawl around, or have the opposing team carry you, like that softball player last year.

[sweetpeteman]

What if it was hit out of the park?

 

You have to touch all the bases to get the HR. Ventura had a HR turned into a 2B because his teammates mobbed him at 2nd after the winning run already crossed the plate. My guess is the guy would have to crawl around, or have the opposing team carry you, like that softball player last year.

 

 

In the event of an injury on a home run, a pinch runner can take the place of the hitter and finish rounding the bases. This leads to a player being able to hit a home run, but not score a run, as the pr gets credit for that.

[SouthSideRyan]

What if it was hit out of the park?

 

You have to touch all the bases to get the HR. Ventura had a HR turned into a 2B because his teammates mobbed him at 2nd after the winning run already crossed the plate. My guess is the guy would have to crawl around, or have the opposing team carry you, like that softball player last year.

 

 

In the event of an injury on a home run, a pinch runner can take the place of the hitter and finish rounding the bases. This leads to a player being able to hit a home run, but not score a run, as the pr gets credit for that.

 

They just talked about this during the game last night.

[sneakypower]

iirc, that happened when Kapler blew out his achilles in Toronto

[Schwarber Fan]

I'm 99% sure this happened to the Giants last year.

[CubColtPacer]

I'm 99% sure this happened to the Giants last year.

 

I think that was a little different situation. Molina had hit what the umpire ruled a single. Molina was then replaced with a pinch-runner, and then the umpires went to replay the play and ruled it a homer instead. They refused to let Molina back into the game so the pinch-runner ended up scoring the run on the home run that Molina hit.

[NCCubFan]

What if it was hit out of the park?

 

You have to touch all the bases to get the HR. Ventura had a HR turned into a 2B because his teammates mobbed him at 2nd after the winning run already crossed the plate. My guess is the guy would have to crawl around, or have the opposing team carry you, like that softball player last year.

 

 

In the event of an injury on a home run, a pinch runner can take the place of the hitter and finish rounding the bases. This leads to a player being able to hit a home run, but not score a run, as the pr gets credit for that.

I think there's probably a similar rule where if a player is hit by a pitch and injured a pinch runner could probably touch first for him.

[wekse]

say a guy takes strike three called. but then he tells the umpire that if he would have swung at the pitch, he would have got a double. does he get a double? what's the rule here????

[SouthSideRyan]

say a guy takes strike three called. but then he tells the umpire that if he would have swung at the pitch, he would have got a double. does he get a double? what's the rule here????

 

I think that goes to replay.

[45jRacing]

say a guy takes strike three called. but then he tells the umpire that if he would have swung at the pitch, he would have got a double. does he get a double? what's the rule here????

 

How does that even compare? IF you don't swing at a pitch it's ur own darn fault. But if u hit one to the gap, which would be a guaranteed double. But the first step u take your achilies explodes and are unable to continue towards the base should u be credited with at least a single? Now the rulebook obviously says no, as one has to touch a base before the ball gets there. But really a hitter should be credited with a hit in that situation because you could never expect an injury like that.

[Cubbies2238]

What is the rule for a game that is suspended such as the Nationals/Astros game on the 5th to be completed 7/9? Elijah Dukes is on first, but what happens if Dukes goes on the DL or more likely both teams rosters are different than they are now?

[CubColtPacer]

What is the rule for a game that is suspended such as the Nationals/Astros game on the 5th to be completed 7/9? Elijah Dukes is on first, but what happens if Dukes goes on the DL or more likely both teams rosters are different than they are now?

 

Anybody who has been removed from the game can't come back in. Anybody who is new on the roster is eligible to play. If Dukes is on the DL, then they would just substitute anybody else on the 25 man roster the day the game is resumed that hasn't already been in the game.

[Marco4]

If a place kicker was running up to a 25-yard field goal attempt and his ankle buckled under him so he couldn't kick the ball, he wouldn't get the points.

 

Its just misfortune. Cruel; but that's the way the world works sometimes.

 

Maybe if you in a friendly game with kids you could bend the rules, but for professional sports, that's how it is.

[wekse]

say a guy takes strike three called. but then he tells the umpire that if he would have swung at the pitch, he would have got a double. does he get a double? what's the rule here????

 

How does that even compare? IF you don't swing at a pitch it's ur own darn fault. But if u hit one to the gap, which would be a guaranteed double. But the first step u take your achilies explodes and are unable to continue towards the base should u be credited with at least a single? Now the rulebook obviously says no, as one has to touch a base before the ball gets there. But really a hitter should be credited with a hit in that situation because you could never expect an injury like that.

 

did you really just come back with a serious response to what i said?

[fromthestretch]

say a guy takes strike three called. but then he tells the umpire that if he would have swung at the pitch, he would have got a double. does he get a double? what's the rule here????

 

How does that even compare? IF you don't swing at a pitch it's ur own darn fault. But if u hit one to the gap, which would be a guaranteed double. But the first step u take your achilies explodes and are unable to continue towards the base should u be credited with at least a single? Now the rulebook obviously says no, as one has to touch a base before the ball gets there. But really a hitter should be credited with a hit in that situation because you could never expect an injury like that.

 

No, he shouldn't. Pitchers get hurt throwing pitches. Runners get hurt running. Fielders get hurt slamming into walls. It's a tough break, but you deal with it and move on.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

But if it's women's basketball, and you are one point away from a career scoring record and get hurt, you get it anyway.

[MSG T]

What is the rule for a game that is suspended such as the Nationals/Astros game on the 5th to be completed 7/9? Elijah Dukes is on first, but what happens if Dukes goes on the DL or more likely both teams rosters are different than they are now?

 

 

Wasn't there someone last year that played for one team prior to the game being suspended, then played (or was at least on the roster) for the other team when the game resumed like two months later?

[badgercub]

How does that even compare? IF you don't swing at a pitch it's ur own darn fault. But if u hit one to the gap, which would be a guaranteed double. But the first step u take your achilies explodes and are unable to continue towards the base should u be credited with at least a single? Now the rulebook obviously says no, as one has to touch a base before the ball gets there. But really a hitter should be credited with a hit in that situation because you could never expect an injury like that.

 

We all are dumber for just having read this. No wonder this country is going to hell in a handbasket, Oh he fell down, that isn't fair, let's give him a hit instead so it at least makes him feel better. Sack up and get a pair, you're out, no hit.

[45jRacing]

say a guy takes strike three called. but then he tells the umpire that if he would have swung at the pitch, he would have got a double. does he get a double? what's the rule here????

 

How does that even compare? IF you don't swing at a pitch it's ur own darn fault. But if u hit one to the gap, which would be a guaranteed double. But the first step u take your achilies explodes and are unable to continue towards the base should u be credited with at least a single? Now the rulebook obviously says no, as one has to touch a base before the ball gets there. But really a hitter should be credited with a hit in that situation because you could never expect an injury like that.

 

No, he shouldn't. Pitchers get hurt throwing pitches. Runners get hurt running. Fielders get hurt slamming into walls. It's a tough break, but you deal with it and move on.

 

True, but if a pitcher throws a strike across the plate but throws out his elbow, he will still get credit for throwing a strike. Now my feelings don't matter a lick, but I just think it would be unfortunate for a player to hit the ball on the nose somewhere in a gap but still get called for an out because of a catastrophic injury. Baseball is such a hard game to play and hitting a baseball is so difficult, one should be credited for it when he does it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

True, but if a pitcher throws a strike across the plate but throws out his elbow, he will still get credit for throwing a strike. Now my feelings don't matter a lick, but I just think it would be unfortunate for a player to hit the ball on the nose somewhere in a gap but still get called for an out because of a catastrophic injury. Baseball is such a hard game to play and hitting a baseball is so difficult, one should be credited for it when he does it.

 

Your mistake is that you think there is some kind of platonic ideal of a double, that a ball hit into the gap means "double." It doesn't. A double is when you reach second base on a cleanly-fielded batted ball without being out.

 

Your analogy for the pitcher doesn't work, because he fulfilled the obligations for a strike, whereas the batter has not fulfilled the obligations for a double.

 

Crediting the batter with a double would be like having the pitcher hurt his arm so the pitch comes in at 55 mph and gets crushed, but calling the batter out because the pitcher would have thrown a much better pitch if he hadn't gotten hurt.

[SouthSideRyan]

What if Bengie Molina hits a ball hits a ball to the gap and is thrown out going for 2nd. It doesn't seem fair that he only gets 1 base just because he's atrociously slow.