Goevany Soto

[Mephistopheles]

Hit.

But seriously, around here this guy gets a free pass while Lee hits better and gets slammed.

 

Ditto for Fonty.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Hit.

But seriously, around here this guy gets a free pass while Lee hits better and gets slammed.

 

Ditto for Fonty.

 

Lee's on the decline.

Fontenot isn't very good.

Soto might not be either, but people are holding out hope that he'll turn it around.

[anabiono]

i want him to hit too, but he is definitely the least of my concerns right now

[JimSorgi]

The reason Soto doesn't get as much hate as Lee probably has something to do with Lee being bad during the second half last year. Soto has had 10 bad games, it's not time to freak out.

[CubbieBum]

The reason Soto doesn't get as much hate as Lee probably has something to do with Lee being bad during the second half last year. Soto has had 10 bad games, it's not time to freak out.

 

That and Lee is hitting 3rd.

[Vanilla Ice]

How do you misspell Geovany Soto

[inari]

He's got a fat bat, now he just needs to start hitting some ding dongs.

[Mephistopheles]

Tomy, lmao.

[rynefan]

Geo will come around, hopefully sooner rather than later though. I'm kind of tired of waiting for Lee to produce like everyone things he can, CONSISTENTLY.

[weis21]

Why do so many people think Fontenot sucks? At worst he's a league average 2B. I can understand the Derosa factor in all this, but what's done is done. Don't hate on him for the hell of it. The whole offense looks like crap presently, lets withhold judgment.

[Keener98]

Maybe it has something to do with Geo has had alot of "loud" outs lately while Lee keeps grounding out weakly to the left side.

[badnews]

This topic doesn't even make sense.

 

The first flaw in this question is that you (at least should) demand better production from those who make more money. If Soriano was on a 4 year, $28 million contract we'd all like him a hell of a lot better. How much does Lee make vs. Soto and Fontenot?

 

Second flaw. Who the hell expects the same offense out of catcher and second base that you get out of first base?

 

I don't know how much Fontenot and Soto make. $1 million or less or right? So the question is, why aren't our cheap ass catcher and second baseman getting as much flak more not hitting as our $14 million a year first baseman?

 

Wow, so let me see if I can play this game right. Why are Giants fans angry at Barry Zito and letting Noah Lowry off the hook. I WONDER WHY.

[weis21]

I personally don't consider financial considerations at all. I expect (or really hope) players produce like their track record states they should. Most "high" priced players are paid so much money because they have previously produced great numbers. Thus, I expect numbers close to such said production.

 

I'm positive others approach this "$=production" question in different ways, but I'm not sure why. Everyone should expect what is most likely.

[Cubswin11]

Sure the guys that make the big money should be expected to produce and put up numbers (they got the big money because they put up numbers), but just because a guy is making league min./close to it doesn't mean he gets a free pass for not producing. When a guy has a season like Soto did last year he should be expected to post similar numbers the next year regardless of how much money he is/isn't making.

[NonProfitCow]

I'm not trolling, but aren't you guys concerned? 1 good minor league year and a good rookie year. Personally, Ludwick and Ankiel scare the hell out of me. And they have better track records than Soto. I know he's "Geovany Soto" and everything, just can't believe that you're not more concerned.

[Colin Wyers]

It's called confirmation bias. The people freaking out about Lee are the same people who were freaking out about Lee last December. But 62 PAs is insufficent to prove them right (or, in fairness, prove them wrong.)

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm not trolling, but aren't you guys concerned? 1 good minor league year and a good rookie year. Personally, Ludwick and Ankiel scare the hell out of me. And they have better track records than Soto. I know he's "Geovany Soto" and everything, just can't believe that you're not more concerned.

 

Kindly explain how in the [expletive] Rick cokehead Ankiel has a better track record than Geovany Soto.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm not trolling, but aren't you guys concerned? 1 good minor league year and a good rookie year. Personally, Ludwick and Ankiel scare the hell out of me. And they have better track records than Soto. I know he's "Geovany Soto" and everything, just can't believe that you're not more concerned.

 

Soto's a streaky hitter, he swings hard and K's a good bit, so he's prone to slumps. A quick look at his game log shows several similar stretches last year. Which brings up that he's only had 26 ABs, and even then his walk rate is up and K rate is down, but his LD% has been EQUAL to his BABIP so far. Soto will come out of it, and I'll only be concerned if he goes a couple months without any stretches of torching the ball for days at a time.

[CubbieBum]

I'm not trolling, but aren't you guys concerned? 1 good minor league year and a good rookie year. Personally, Ludwick and Ankiel scare the hell out of me. And they have better track records than Soto. I know he's "Geovany Soto" and everything, just can't believe that you're not more concerned.

 

Kindly explain how in the [expletive] Rick cokehead Ankiel has a better track record than Geovany Soto.

 

Geovany had a .855 career OPS in AAA while Ankiel had a .871 career OPS in AAA. The difference I see is that Ankiel has always displayed great power and was pretty consistent throughout the minors while Geovany was consistently mediocre at hitting until 2007 when he had a 80 point jump in average and 340 point jump in OPS from 2006. More than half (26 of 51) of Geovany's home runs throughout his entire minor league career including all levels (A, AA, AAA and rookie league) came in that 2007 season. Ankiel has always been a power guy who has little patience. Geovany has not always been a power guy who puts up a very good average for his position.

[NonProfitCow]

I'm not trolling, but aren't you guys concerned? 1 good minor league year and a good rookie year. Personally, Ludwick and Ankiel scare the hell out of me. And they have better track records than Soto. I know he's "Geovany Soto" and everything, just can't believe that you're not more concerned.

 

Kindly explain how in the [expletive] Rick cokehead Ankiel has a better track record than Geovany Soto.

 

Geovany had a .855 career OPS in AAA while Ankiel had a .871 career OPS in AAA. The difference I see is that Ankiel has always displayed great power and was pretty consistent throughout the minors while Geovany was consistently mediocre at hitting until 2007 when he had a 80 point jump in average and 340 point jump in OPS from 2006. More than half (26 of 51) of Geovany's home runs throughout his entire minor league career including all levels (A, AA, AAA and rookie league) came in that 2007 season. Ankiel has always been a power guy who has little patience. Geovany has not always been a power guy who puts up a very good average for his position.

Thank you. Like I said, I'm not trolling, I just wonder why everyone assumes Soto is gonna be fine. Seems like everyone gives him a pass and transfers the blame on everyone else when he's the least proven player in the lineup. As for the cokehead thing, ok, I guess? I guess I understand hating the Cards since you're a Cubs fan and everything, but making things up seems desperate and foolish.

[Banedon]

2 weeks people. 2 weeks. If it was just a 2 week thing with Lee, he wouldn't be catching NEARLY the flack that he is right now. But Lee's been in decline for a while now, and we've all seen it. We're just reaching the point where we don't think it's going to turn around.

 

But Soto's been struggling for two weeks. He struggled for 2 weeks in the middle of the season last season (didn't he have a 4 or 5 k game?) but managed to get out of the funk. And he's a catcher, so you can let his offensive woes slide a bit more, especially if the other guys that are supposed to be hitting are doing so. (Which they aren't.)

[SweetZombieJesus]

Fluke, and hendry is to blame for not getting Ivan Rodriguez.

[SweetZombieJesus]

2 weeks people. 2 weeks. If it was just a 2 week thing with Lee, he wouldn't be catching NEARLY the flack that he is right now. But Lee's been in decline for a while now, and we've all seen it. We're just reaching the point where we don't think it's going to turn around.

 

But Soto's been struggling for two weeks. He struggled for 2 weeks in the middle of the season last season (didn't he have a 4 or 5 k game?) but managed to get out of the funk. And he's a catcher, so you can let his offensive woes slide a bit more, especially if the other guys that are supposed to be hitting are doing so. (Which they aren't.)

 

completely ignore his 5 year struggle prior to 07-08. Soto is a fluke.

[fromthestretch]

didn't he have a 4 or 5 k game?

 

He struck out in eight consecutive at-bats at one point last season.

[fromthestretch]

2 weeks people. 2 weeks. If it was just a 2 week thing with Lee, he wouldn't be catching NEARLY the flack that he is right now. But Lee's been in decline for a while now, and we've all seen it. We're just reaching the point where we don't think it's going to turn around.

 

But Soto's been struggling for two weeks. He struggled for 2 weeks in the middle of the season last season (didn't he have a 4 or 5 k game?) but managed to get out of the funk. And he's a catcher, so you can let his offensive woes slide a bit more, especially if the other guys that are supposed to be hitting are doing so. (Which they aren't.)

 

completely ignore his 5 year struggle prior to 07-08. Soto is a fluke.

 

You're right. Hitters never develop. What they are at 26 is the same as what they were at 21.

 

It's understandable to expect him to drop off a little last year, but it's way too early to call him a fluke.