Who would YOU delete off of the Cubs?

[CubbieBum]

Since there is no designation saying it has to be current Cubs I'll go with Neifi Perez.

 

"Off of the Cubs" does imply that the player must be current. You can't delete something from a paper on MS Word that's not there anymore, for example.

 

But I support the sentiment.

 

Until Neifi is no longer considered a Cub at any point and time I will continue to say we should delete him.

[Bixby]

I'd delete Len and Bob. They remind me of Mike and Mike in the Morning. Filled with company lines and gimmicky stuff. I know the majority of NSBBers like them but for some reason I just don't. Maybe I'm still having withdrawals from losing Chip and Steve.

[TruffleShuffle]

i don't really know how to play this game. are we deleting people and then spending their money more wisely on other guys? if so, i'd delete lee, soriano, fukudome, miles, bako, zambrano, dempster, vizcaino and gregg. however, if we delete them and don't have replacements for them then i probably wouldn't delete any of them, or maybe just a couple. even vizcaino has value if the manager keeps him away from LH batters with good pop. miles can back up theriot, which nobody else on the 40 man roster can really do acceptably.

 

i guess i would delete lee, because i think hoffpauir can do almost as well as him and that would free up $10M to be used at the trade deadline.

[Guest]

I'd delete Len and Bob. They remind me of Mike and Mike in the Morning. Filled with company lines and gimmicky stuff. I know the majority of NSBBers like them but for some reason I just don't. Maybe I'm still having withdrawals from losing Chip and Steve.

Len is great, Bob, not so much.

[CubbieBum]

I'd delete Len and Bob. They remind me of Mike and Mike in the Morning. Filled with company lines and gimmicky stuff. I know the majority of NSBBers like them but for some reason I just don't. Maybe I'm still having withdrawals from losing Chip and Steve.

Len is great, Bob, not so much.

 

Len is fine although I liked Chip more. Bob I have never liked although he is much better than his first season.

[Soul]

I'd delete Len and Bob. They remind me of Mike and Mike in the Morning. Filled with company lines and gimmicky stuff. I know the majority of NSBBers like them but for some reason I just don't. Maybe I'm still having withdrawals from losing Chip and Steve.

Len is great, Bob, not so much.

 

Len is fine although I liked Chip more. Bob I have never liked although he is much better than his first season.

 

IMO it's not nearly to the point where I would want them gone. Consider some of the alternative broadcast teams around the league. The Cubs could be doing a hell of a lot worse.

[Guest]

I'd delete Len and Bob. They remind me of Mike and Mike in the Morning. Filled with company lines and gimmicky stuff. I know the majority of NSBBers like them but for some reason I just don't. Maybe I'm still having withdrawals from losing Chip and Steve.

Len is great, Bob, not so much.

 

Len is fine although I liked Chip more. Bob I have never liked although he is much better than his first season.

 

IMO it's not nearly to the point where I would want them gone. Consider some of the alternative broadcast teams around the league. The Cubs could be doing a hell of a lot worse.

 

Agreed. Having MLB EI for the last several years, I'd rank Len and Bob among the best broadcast teams in MLB.

[dew1679666265]

i don't really know how to play this game. are we deleting people and then spending their money more wisely on other guys? if so, i'd delete lee, soriano, fukudome, miles, bako, zambrano, dempster, vizcaino and gregg. however, if we delete them and don't have replacements for them then i probably wouldn't delete any of them, or maybe just a couple. even vizcaino has value if the manager keeps him away from LH batters with good pop. miles can back up theriot, which nobody else on the 40 man roster can really do acceptably.

 

i guess i would delete lee, because i think hoffpauir can do almost as well as him and that would free up $10M to be used at the trade deadline.

 

Esteban German could probably do it as acceptably well as Miles. Especially considering he'd be getting paid $2 million less and for one less year.

[TruffleShuffle]

i don't really know how to play this game. are we deleting people and then spending their money more wisely on other guys? if so, i'd delete lee, soriano, fukudome, miles, bako, zambrano, dempster, vizcaino and gregg. however, if we delete them and don't have replacements for them then i probably wouldn't delete any of them, or maybe just a couple. even vizcaino has value if the manager keeps him away from LH batters with good pop. miles can back up theriot, which nobody else on the 40 man roster can really do acceptably.

 

i guess i would delete lee, because i think hoffpauir can do almost as well as him and that would free up $10M to be used at the trade deadline.

 

Esteban German could probably do it as acceptably well as Miles. Especially considering he'd be getting paid $2 million less and for one less year.

 

he can't play shortstop. well i suppose he can but he would basically do it as badly as mike fontenot.

[dew1679666265]

i don't really know how to play this game. are we deleting people and then spending their money more wisely on other guys? if so, i'd delete lee, soriano, fukudome, miles, bako, zambrano, dempster, vizcaino and gregg. however, if we delete them and don't have replacements for them then i probably wouldn't delete any of them, or maybe just a couple. even vizcaino has value if the manager keeps him away from LH batters with good pop. miles can back up theriot, which nobody else on the 40 man roster can really do acceptably.

 

i guess i would delete lee, because i think hoffpauir can do almost as well as him and that would free up $10M to be used at the trade deadline.

 

Esteban German could probably do it as acceptably well as Miles. Especially considering he'd be getting paid $2 million less and for one less year.

 

he can't play shortstop. well i suppose he can but he would basically do it as badly as mike fontenot.

 

Aaron Miles can't play it either - at least very well. German put in 27 games at SS in the minors, Miles put in none. Miles played SS for 40 games in his first four ML seasons. German has played eight innings there in the majors.

 

Both are really bad options to put at short, but I'm not seeing how Miles is a significantly better option than German - except that Miles was forced into playing it because the Cards had no one else to play SS.

[Wilmo]

I'll go with what seems to be a consensus in deleting "DP" Lee and "The Human Screw" Fukudome and go a little different and also nominate the guy who, in one off season, traded away Mark DeRosa, signed Paul Bako and didn't re-sign Hank White when the difference was $25,000, and signed an oft-injured, head case to a 3 year 30 million dollar deal.

 

I hope I'm wrong, but I have a bad feeling about this upcoming season. I could see this whole thing coming apart very quick.

[biittner77]

IN the short term it has to be Vizcaino. He gets paid more than Miles and is more easily replaceably by people likely to perform better.

 

Try and look at it this way: Miles is not worth hating.

 

Long term it's Soriano or Lee. At least Lee adds something defensively. What will Soriano provide in 3 years?

[questionmarkgrace]

1) D-Lee - I hate the double plays but I hate them more because he's batting third

2) Gathright- why is he here? Why do we need 5 outfielders when three of them can play center?

3) Gaudin - has been terrible since he's been here

[Mephistopheles]

This is almost too funny. Guys deleting Derrek Lee would be monumentally stupid.

[SweetZombieJesus]

This is almost too funny. Guys deleting Derrek Lee would be monumentally stupid.

 

It depends if it means deleting Lee and replacing him with Hoffpauier then yes it's monumentally stupid.

 

If it's deleting Lee and getting another quality 1B at a cheaper price it's not.

[Roast]

If we're 'deleting' lee to clear up salary that's one thing - but are we really going to get on his case about double plays? He DOUBLED the amount of DP's he hit into last year in relation to 2007 - don't you think that's probably somewhat of an aberration?

[SweetZombieJesus]

I love that people complain about his double plays. Yes, it's his fault players were getting on base in front of him.

[Mephistopheles]

This is almost too funny. Guys deleting Derrek Lee would be monumentally stupid.

 

It depends if it means deleting Lee and replacing him with Hoffpauier then yes it's monumentally stupid.

 

If it's deleting Lee and getting another quality 1B at a cheaper price it's not.

 

has it ever occured to you that his 13m price tag for the next two years is far from a bad contract. its not long term and saving the money wont help us elsewhere.

[SweetZombieJesus]

This is almost too funny. Guys deleting Derrek Lee would be monumentally stupid.

 

It depends if it means deleting Lee and replacing him with Hoffpauier then yes it's monumentally stupid.

 

If it's deleting Lee and getting another quality 1B at a cheaper price it's not.

 

has it ever occured to you that his 13m price tag for the next two years is far from a bad contract. its not long term and saving the money wont help us elsewhere.

 

If he's putting up 2006 conor jackson type numbers it's a bad contract. A 1B who's making 13mill at least should be able to put up better than a 840 OPS.

[Mephistopheles]

Not for him. His defense improves upon those numbers and he's been that low twice in the last like seven years. One year when he had a major wrist injury and came back too soon, we can throw that season out, and the other was last year which is probably more of an aberration than anything. Not that I agree completely with the methods, but you do realize that fangraphs had him out performing his contract last year and he's probably going to surpass that level of production this year...

 

Even if their numbers are off some it's not going to make his contract "bad". Bad contracts are four year contracts for fifty mil plus to thirty-one year old starting pitchers who have two good years as a starting pitcher out of a career that spans eleven seasons. That's a bad contract. Derrek Lee's isn't.

[TruffleShuffle]

pecota puts his expected value at just less than $10M the next 2 years. that's total, not per year. generally if you get $9.8M worth of production and are paying $26M for that production, you have on your hands a bad contract.

[Mephistopheles]

That's nice. If he stays healthy he's going to exceed that. Nate Silver, Clay Davenport and I know that. Even if you factor in the chance that he gets hurt, he's going to exceed that. Nate Silver, Clay Davenport I know that. Apparently you don't know enough about PECOTA or the concept of value. Edited March 30, 2009 by Mephistopheles

[jersey cubs fan]

At least Lee is gone after 2010. It's probably more important to delete Jim Hendry so he doesn't sign Lee to an extension.

[TruffleShuffle]

That's nice. If he stays healthy he's going to exceed that. Nate Silver , Clay Davenport and I know that. Apparently you don't know enough about PECOTA or the concept of value.

 

he was healthy last year and he didn't.

 

i've also come to the conclusion that fangraphs' player value is bogus and inflated.

[Mephistopheles]

At least Lee is gone after 2010. It's probably more important to delete Jim Hendry so he doesn't sign Lee to an extension.

 

Not that I disagree, but we're not exactly in a position where we have anyone who can fill the void in house starting with the 2010 season. It's probably a good year and a half before Josh Vitters will be ready if he's still with the organization. Big time free agent first baseman are rare. Next year there's Adam LaRoche and Nick Johnson. In 2011 there's Carlos Pena and Adam Dunn. None of those guys are really any better than Derrek Lee, by then they may be, but none of them are great. Adrian Gonzalez can be an FA after 2011, but I can promise you he never goes on the market, he'll be snapped up in a trade before then and signed long term by someone. Really the Cubs' best bet to replace Derrek Lee after next season is do stop gaps until Vitters is ready or make a trade. If the first method is the desired course of action and Derrek Lee's productivity slips (to the point where not a lot of teams would want him), then he's not going to be a bad guy to extend for a season or two until Vitters is fully ready to take over. If the Cubs sour on Vitters or he doesn't pan out or he's traded then the Cubs are probably going to have to make a move, unfortunately our system sucks and shows very little signs of improvement so we're going to be at a disadvantage to Boston or whoever is in the market for the same bats in 2011.