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Re: 2009 NCAA Tournament thread

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Citing the previous outcome is a terribly illogical argument.* Surely no one thinks that UNC is 35-points better than Michigan State. Surely no one believes that result predetermines the next one (an example that comes to mind is UNLV-Duke from 1990 to 1991). Even so, not having Suton is a pretty big deal. The Spartans are obviously on quite a roll right now. Pride also shouldn't be underestimated. I would envision a game were Michigan State can do no wrong.

 

*Edit: This was a poor sentence in which my meaning wasn't apparent. Obviously a previous result matters -- a lot, actually. I simply meant that it's not proof that UNC automatically wins the next one.

 

Those are two different seasons, though, and I'm assuming some of the players were different. The only difference this time is Suton is there.

 

The other difference is that its a completely new ballgame too which is a pretty big deal. Add in the fact that its for the National Championship, in MSU's backyard, I could see them making up the difference. Like I said Illinois beat Mizzou by 30 or so on a "neutral" court early in the season, I dont think there is a chance in hell that would have happend again around tourney time. Yes its tough to make up a 30 point difference, but the next MSU-UNC game starts 0-0 so that 30 points is meaningless.

 

The first game was in MSU's backyard and that didn't seem to matter at all.

 

And Illinois won by 16 (though they were up by 20 for a little while) over Mizzou the first time.

 

Kansas lost by 2 to Missouri in one game and beat them by 25 in the other.

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I'm sure a second MSU-UNC game would be closer. Izzo is too good of a coach to not make some adjustments to their game plan and fix some things that went wrong the first time. But 35 points is still 35 points and unless you've got a couple big-time stars who missed the game, I'm not sure any team could make up that much of a difference.

 

 

I understand your point, but you dont think its possible UNC caught MSU on their worst night? I mean that same MSU team that lost by 35 points is giving UConnn a hell of a game, and has already beaten Louisville.

 

I mean Illinois beat Mizzou by around 30 early in the year too, do you think the same woulda been true had they played in the tourney?

 

It's a stupid point. Being blown out doesn't preclude you from competing/winning the second time around. Roy's teams in particular, because of the style they play, are always ahead of the curve early in the season. Add in the fact the team is primarily upperclassmen used to their system, and it's not surprising they boat race so many teams in the non-con.

 

Like I said, I think UNC would win a rematch. But it's hardly out of the realm of possibility for MSU to win.

 

My point isn't solely because UNC won by 35. It's that to win by 35, you have to completely dominate a game. And I happen to think that when Team A dominates Team B in the way that UNC did MSU earlier this season with the same exact players (sans Suton) at the same exact site, that 35 points is too much of a gap to overcome.

 

You know that sometimes these deficits snowball. It's tough to say about an Izzo-coached team, but Michigan State kind of packed it in that night. UNC didn't; therefore the margin increased to a point that I don't think was terribly indicative of even that night's game.

 

I actually think the 35-point margin will help Michigan State.

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Citing the previous outcome is a terribly illogical argument.* Surely no one thinks that UNC is 35-points better than Michigan State. Surely no one believes that result predetermines the next one (an example that comes to mind is UNLV-Duke from 1990 to 1991). Even so, not having Suton is a pretty big deal. The Spartans are obviously on quite a roll right now. Pride also shouldn't be underestimated. I would envision a game were Michigan State can do no wrong.

 

*Edit: This was a poor sentence in which my meaning wasn't apparent. Obviously a previous result matters -- a lot, actually. I simply meant that it's not proof that UNC automatically wins the next one.

 

Those are two different seasons, though, and I'm assuming some of the players were different. The only difference this time is Suton is there.

 

The other difference is that its a completely new ballgame too which is a pretty big deal. Add in the fact that its for the National Championship, in MSU's backyard, I could see them making up the difference. Like I said Illinois beat Mizzou by 30 or so on a "neutral" court early in the season, I dont think there is a chance in hell that would have happend again around tourney time. Yes its tough to make up a 30 point difference, but the next MSU-UNC game starts 0-0 so that 30 points is meaningless.

 

The first game was in MSU's backyard and that didn't seem to matter at all.

 

And Illinois won by 16 (though they were up by 20 for a little while) over Mizzou the first time.

 

Kansas lost by 2 to Missouri in one game and beat them by 25 in the other.

 

I know it doesn't make up all the difference, but you have to take into account the home/road difference in those two game.

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Stupid, stupid defense by UConn on that inbounds play. Why the hell do you have four of your guys, including Thabeet, within a few feet of halfcourt?

 

Not too intelligent.

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Soccer, this MSU team has gotten better all year. Its obvious they are playing their best basketball of the year, and their confidence is at an all time high. I think UNC would win, but I have a feeling MSU would give them a hell of a run.
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Define irony:

 

Bunch of idiots dancing on a plane to a song made famous by a band that died in a plane crash.

 

 

Fixed.

 

http://www.hellonearth.com/movies/conair/plot11.jpg

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The refs really bailing out UConn right here.
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msu if you blow this i will burn down east lansing myself.

 

I hope that's where the refs live.

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