Sources: A-Rod tested positive for steroids in '03

[SpongeWorthy]

And every football player uses PEDs, but nobody cares because NFL analysts and 90% of its fans are meathead buffoons.

 

I bet Jared Lorenzen isn't taking PEDs.

[Outshined_One]

And every football player uses PEDs, but nobody cares because NFL analysts and 90% of its fans are meathead buffoons.

 

I bet Jared Lorenzen isn't taking PEDs.

 

I dunno, I could probably lift a Volkswagen if I downed a gallon of sweet tea and polished off two dozen Krispy Kremes.

[Wilson A2000]

steroids didn't put barry bonds on the dl, old age did. steroids allowed him to rape mlb pitching for like 7 more years than he would have otherwise

 

im sure the 400 million dollars he made while he would have otherwise been hanging out at home will help him cope

 

Barry was very healthy right up until 2000 when he started taking steroids. The original SI article documents this pretty clearly if I remember correctly.

 

Just wait 10-20 years. Bonds' body will deteriorate much more quickly than the average baseball player's body.

Edited February 7, 2009 by Wilson A2000

[wade]

And every football player uses PEDs, but nobody cares because NFL analysts and 90% of its fans are meathead buffoons.

 

I bet Jared Lorenzen isn't taking PEDs.

 

If you change the wording to 'never used', then you probably lose your bet. They pretty much all use something.

[Cubswin11]

This makes me want to bang my head against a wall. Am I the only one who doesn't care at all who has done steroids, especially 6 years ago now? Don't care about Bonds, or Clemens, or McGwire, or A-Rod, or whoever else they want to say tested positive. The fact that this gets so much attention irritates me to no end.

 

What drives me nuts about it more than anything else is how baseball is treated differently from football and basketball. This will ruin A-Rod's reputation. This will only add more ammunition to the people who argue that everyone in baseball is on steroids and is a cheater. It will hurt baseball.

 

However, nobody talks about basketball and football in the same way. Cripes, Shawne Merriman testing positive got very little attention. When the Williams DTs tested positive for a banned substance, everyone automatically believed them when they said it was for a weight loss drug. No one seems to notice when guys in both sports look like they belong in professional wrestling. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the NFL and NBA were just as tainted by the PEDs scandal. Yet, nobody says a freaking thing about it.

 

However, this will lead to another Congressional hearing with another player's career destroyed. It'll be sickening and a waste of money.

That's what makes me the most angry, why does the government/congress need to get involved? Are they really bettering American's lives by spending tax payer's time/money on figuring who took what performance enhancing drugs and when? There are far worse things that are going on in the World/America that congress needs to be spending time and tax dollars on. We are in a financial crisis, companies are laying off employees left and right, we are in two wars, millions of house are being foreclosed, not to mention time/money that can be spent on fighting world hunger and diseases. But no the government needs to go on a witch hunt and find out every player that ever took steroids in MLB. I will say it again how is spending time/tax dollars on this issue bettering the lives of Americans?

[SpongeWorthy]

And every football player uses PEDs, but nobody cares because NFL analysts and 90% of its fans are meathead buffoons.

 

I bet Jared Lorenzen isn't taking PEDs.

 

If you change the wording to 'never used', then you probably lose your bet. They pretty much all use something.

 

What do you mean by "something"?

 

Just because something is a supplement doesn't mean it's in some sort of legal gray area. And I would dispute the notion that they pretty much all did something that was either illegal, would become illegal, or could loosely be defined as a PED.

[imb]

steroids didn't put barry bonds on the dl, old age did. steroids allowed him to rape mlb pitching for like 7 more years than he would have otherwise

 

im sure the 400 million dollars he made while he would have otherwise been hanging out at home will help him cope

 

Barry was very healthy right up until 2000 when he started taking steroids. The original SI article documents this pretty clearly if I remember correctly.

 

Just wait 10-20 years. Bonds' body will deteriorate much more quickly than the average baseball player's body.

 

that's not what people are talking about though.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Depends on what he was taking and how. There's some preliminary evidence out there that HGH has some major benefits in slowing down aging. If that's all he was on, there's a good chance he'll actually be better off than most.

[Sammy Sofa]

steroids didn't put barry bonds on the dl, old age did. steroids allowed him to rape mlb pitching for like 7 more years than he would have otherwise

 

im sure the 400 million dollars he made while he would have otherwise been hanging out at home will help him cope

 

Barry was very healthy right up until 2000 when he started taking steroids. The original SI article documents this pretty clearly if I remember correctly.

 

Just wait 10-20 years. Bonds' body will deteriorate much more quickly than the average baseball player's body.

 

That's pretty tenuous evidence. Steroids ruined his knees? How?

[Rob]

steroids didn't put barry bonds on the dl, old age did. steroids allowed him to rape mlb pitching for like 7 more years than he would have otherwise

 

im sure the 400 million dollars he made while he would have otherwise been hanging out at home will help him cope

don't be absurd. Bonds only made $188,245,322 in his career.

[TruffleShuffle]

I have no idea what is to be gained by any of this

 

Bonds, ARod, Clemens, and McGwire won't make the HOF. That is certainly something to be gained.

 

mcgwire is at least borderline but you aren't gaining anything by keeping out bonds, arod and clemens. they're three of the all-time greats with or without steroids, and it's just embarrassing to the voters and the hall itself if those guys aren't elected.

[hawkcub]

I have no idea what is to be gained by any of this

 

Bonds, ARod, Clemens, and McGwire won't make the HOF. That is certainly something to be gained.

 

mcgwire is at least borderline but you aren't gaining anything by keeping out bonds, arod and clemens. they're three of the all-time greats with or without steroids, and it's just embarrassing to the voters and the hall itself if those guys aren't elected.

 

I love how since these guys took steroids in some people eyes that means they should never been in the Majors.

 

Mcgwire-Probably would have been an all Star for a couple of seasons and consistent player so no HOF for him most likely w/o steroids.

 

ARod-Probably is HOF worthy w/o steroids but it's a tougher decision. But he still would have another 5 years to show he's a clear cut selection.

 

Clemens-goes to the hall w/o steroids. His career would have ended in his 30's compared to his 40's.

 

Bonds-Still goes to the hall w/o steroids. He probably is still top 5 in HR's without the steroids. He gets the HR record with steroids.

 

So although they took the roids it does not mean they were bad players and not HOF worthy. We need to get roids out of the game but lets try and think realistically here.

[erik316wttn]

They'll get in eventually, but I'd find it hard to think that Bonds would get in first-ballot if he's sitting in a jail cell at the time, or just freshly released.

[wade]

And every football player uses PEDs, but nobody cares because NFL analysts and 90% of its fans are meathead buffoons.

 

I bet Jared Lorenzen isn't taking PEDs.

 

If you change the wording to 'never used', then you probably lose your bet. They pretty much all use something.

 

What do you mean by "something"?

 

Just because something is a supplement doesn't mean it's in some sort of legal gray area. And I would dispute the notion that they pretty much all did something that was either illegal, would become illegal, or could loosely be defined as a PED.

 

Then, in my opinion, your dispute is wrong. I believe the vast majority did / do / will do illegal PEDs. Illegal in their sport, and often illegal according to law.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Bad Pete Rose argument in 3...2...1...

[Wilson A2000]

steroids didn't put barry bonds on the dl, old age did. steroids allowed him to rape mlb pitching for like 7 more years than he would have otherwise

 

im sure the 400 million dollars he made while he would have otherwise been hanging out at home will help him cope

 

Barry was very healthy right up until 2000 when he started taking steroids. The original SI article documents this pretty clearly if I remember correctly.

 

Just wait 10-20 years. Bonds' body will deteriorate much more quickly than the average baseball player's body.

 

That's pretty tenuous evidence. Steroids ruined his knees? How?

 

"Game of Shadows" maintains that he blew out his elbow which almost ruined his career in 1999. He also suffered a torn triceps when he got the elbow examined. After he missed seven weeks, he returned and pulled a groin. Later that year he complained of back and knee problems. In 2001 Barry began breaking down. He only had 56 hits that year.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/03/06/growth0313/index.html

Edited February 7, 2009 by Wilson A2000

[imb]

Once again, Jose Canseco is right

 

Of all people, who would have thought that Jose Canseco would be the voice of reason?

 

jose canseco isn't the voice of reason, he's just the only one desperate/sleazy enough to out everyone so he can sell a few more copies of book

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Correlation, causation...

[Wilson A2000]

Correlation, causation...

 

In 1999 his games played began tailing off. He had only been inured once before that. Bonds began taking steroids in 99.

[Post Count Padder]

Hi-llarious

[Sammy Sofa]

Correlation, causation...

 

In 1999 his games played began tailing off. He had only been inured once before that. Bonds began taking steroids in 99.

 

You're leaping from point A to point Z. You'd have to explain how if you're going to clam such a thing.

[imb]

Correlation, causation...

 

In 1999 his games played began tailing off. He had only been inured once before that. Bonds began taking steroids in 99.

 

he played 256 games as a 41 and 42-year old and OPSd over 1.000 both years. Steroids did much more good than harm to his longevity.

Edited February 7, 2009 by Bunts Lick Butts

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Correlation, causation...

 

In 1999 his games played began tailing off. He had only been inured once before that. Bonds began taking steroids in 99.

 

That's more than a bit disingenuous on several levels.

 

First, Bonds turned 34 that year. Aging is highly correlated with injuries.

 

Second, he played an average of 2 fewer games per season from 2000-2004 than he did from 1995-1998.

 

(and I'm not sure you understand what I was saying, because you just restated the correlation)

[Wilson A2000]

Correlation, causation...

 

In 1999 his games played began tailing off. He had only been inured once before that. Bonds began taking steroids in 99.

 

That's more than a bit disingenuous on several levels.

 

First, Bonds turned 34 that year. Aging is highly correlated with injuries.

 

Second, he played an average of 2 fewer games per season from 2000-2004 than he did from 1995-1998.

 

(and I'm not sure you understand what I was saying, because you just restated the correlation)

 

I am sure that there were times when steroids extended his career, and other times when it took some ABs away from him in a season.

 

Barry played about the same number of games late in his career as he did earlier in his career, but he ABs went down significantly. He was used as a PH the times he didn't start.

 

Bonds: "It makes me grow faster, but if you're not careful, you can blow it out." He did just that to his elbow in 99.

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah you aren't going to prove anything with one player's injury history. lots of professional athletes get injured for lots of reasons.