Manny Reaches Agreement with Dodgers (2/$45m)

[TruffleShuffle]

I read on Dodgerblues that some of the money was deferred, and he'd only be making 10 mil the next two seasons in the deal he rejected yesterday, and that's why he rejected it. Not sure how true that is, seems kind of unlikely. But, if it is true, it would be more understandable why he declined it.

 

Yeah. Poor guy. How can one reasonably expect to live any sort of comfortably on a lousy $10 million a year? I wonder if he can qualify for welfare on that sort of pay.

 

So you'll be giving back a large portion of your lifestyle to bring you down to the world average?

 

as long as he hasn't totally burned through the $20M per year that the red sox paid him, i'm pretty sure that his lifestyle won't take a hit by deferring money and only getting $10M a year the next 2 years.

 

it's up to him, and i don't begrudge him the right to decline this deal, but i think it's a pretty bad move on his part. they'll probably get the dodgers to defer a little less though - they'll meet in the middle somewhere.

[jersey cubs fan]

I read on Dodgerblues that some of the money was deferred, and he'd only be making 10 mil the next two seasons in the deal he rejected yesterday, and that's why he rejected it. Not sure how true that is, seems kind of unlikely. But, if it is true, it would be more understandable why he declined it.

 

Yeah. Poor guy. How can one reasonably expect to live any sort of comfortably on a lousy $10 million a year? I wonder if he can qualify for welfare on that sort of pay.

 

So you'll be giving back a large portion of your lifestyle to bring you down to the world average?

 

as long as he hasn't totally burned through the $20M per year that the red sox paid him, i'm pretty sure that his lifestyle won't take a hit by deferring money and only getting $10M a year the next 2 years.

 

it's up to him, and i don't begrudge him the right to decline this deal, but i think it's a pretty bad move on his part. they'll probably get the dodgers to defer a little less though - they'll meet in the middle somewhere.

 

If they'll meet in the middle why is it a bad move?

[TruffleShuffle]

I read on Dodgerblues that some of the money was deferred, and he'd only be making 10 mil the next two seasons in the deal he rejected yesterday, and that's why he rejected it. Not sure how true that is, seems kind of unlikely. But, if it is true, it would be more understandable why he declined it.

 

Yeah. Poor guy. How can one reasonably expect to live any sort of comfortably on a lousy $10 million a year? I wonder if he can qualify for welfare on that sort of pay.

 

So you'll be giving back a large portion of your lifestyle to bring you down to the world average?

 

as long as he hasn't totally burned through the $20M per year that the red sox paid him, i'm pretty sure that his lifestyle won't take a hit by deferring money and only getting $10M a year the next 2 years.

 

it's up to him, and i don't begrudge him the right to decline this deal, but i think it's a pretty bad move on his part. they'll probably get the dodgers to defer a little less though - they'll meet in the middle somewhere.

 

If they'll meet in the middle why is it a bad move?

 

i guess i should rephrase. if they're rejecting it because they think that the dodgers will reduce the deferred money, that's probably a smart move. if they're rejecting it because they want bigger dollars and more years, that's dumb.

[Bote McBoteface]

I read on Dodgerblues that some of the money was deferred, and he'd only be making 10 mil the next two seasons in the deal he rejected yesterday, and that's why he rejected it. Not sure how true that is, seems kind of unlikely. But, if it is true, it would be more understandable why he declined it.

 

Yeah. Poor guy. How can one reasonably expect to live any sort of comfortably on a lousy $10 million a year? I wonder if he can qualify for welfare on that sort of pay.

 

Juan Pierre is making like 10 million a year, isn't he? I can understand him not wanting to play for that annual salary. I'm not saying that it isn't a lot of money, just that it makes a lot more sense for him to turn it down knowing that info.

[LeftCoastCubFan]

it's up to him, and i don't begrudge him the right to decline this deal, but i think it's a pretty bad move on his part. they'll probably get the dodgers to defer a little less though - they'll meet in the middle somewhere.

Actually it was a smart move. McCourt told the world that he offered 45 mil when it was really 42. For a few hours of work Boras added another 3 mil to the pot. McCourt doesn’t have any choice now.

[The Other 15]

I read on Dodgerblues that some of the money was deferred, and he'd only be making 10 mil the next two seasons in the deal he rejected yesterday, and that's why he rejected it. Not sure how true that is, seems kind of unlikely. But, if it is true, it would be more understandable why he declined it.

 

Yeah. Poor guy. How can one reasonably expect to live any sort of comfortably on a lousy $10 million a year? I wonder if he can qualify for welfare on that sort of pay.

 

Juan Pierre is making like 10 million a year, isn't he? I can understand him not wanting to play for that annual salary. I'm not saying that it isn't a lot of money, just that it makes a lot more sense for him to turn it down knowing that info.

Is zero dollars for zero years more palatable?

 

Back to the basic question. With little to no interest from the rest of baseball, what terms are Boras and Manny expecting, market value? I don't hate him for turning down the deal and trying to get a better one. I find it comical that his camp thinks it has some kind of leverage. No matter how much he helps the Dodgers, they're not going to guarantee him anything more than what he turned down.

[Soul]

I wonder if this is more about Boras promising Manny he'd be able to make him a truckload of cash if he left Boston, and now it's difficult to accept that's probably not going to be the case.

 

Although....$10mil/yr would definitely fill up my truck.

[TruffleShuffle]

I read on Dodgerblues that some of the money was deferred, and he'd only be making 10 mil the next two seasons in the deal he rejected yesterday, and that's why he rejected it. Not sure how true that is, seems kind of unlikely. But, if it is true, it would be more understandable why he declined it.

 

Yeah. Poor guy. How can one reasonably expect to live any sort of comfortably on a lousy $10 million a year? I wonder if he can qualify for welfare on that sort of pay.

 

Juan Pierre is making like 10 million a year, isn't he? I can understand him not wanting to play for that annual salary. I'm not saying that it isn't a lot of money, just that it makes a lot more sense for him to turn it down knowing that info.

 

that's not the annual salary. that's what he gets this year; from 2011-13 he gets $25 million for doing nothing. deferred money is not money that doesn't exist.

[Rob]

I read on Dodgerblues that some of the money was deferred, and he'd only be making 10 mil the next two seasons in the deal he rejected yesterday, and that's why he rejected it. Not sure how true that is, seems kind of unlikely. But, if it is true, it would be more understandable why he declined it.

 

Yeah. Poor guy. How can one reasonably expect to live any sort of comfortably on a lousy $10 million a year? I wonder if he can qualify for welfare on that sort of pay.

 

Juan Pierre is making like 10 million a year, isn't he? I can understand him not wanting to play for that annual salary. I'm not saying that it isn't a lot of money, just that it makes a lot more sense for him to turn it down knowing that info.

 

that's not the annual salary. that's what he gets this year; from 2011-13 he gets $25 million for doing nothing. deferred money is not money that doesn't exist.

 

But it is money that he doesn't get to collect interest on... lowering the effective value of the contract.

[CubbieBum]

I read on Dodgerblues that some of the money was deferred, and he'd only be making 10 mil the next two seasons in the deal he rejected yesterday, and that's why he rejected it. Not sure how true that is, seems kind of unlikely. But, if it is true, it would be more understandable why he declined it.

 

Yeah. Poor guy. How can one reasonably expect to live any sort of comfortably on a lousy $10 million a year? I wonder if he can qualify for welfare on that sort of pay.

 

Juan Pierre is making like 10 million a year, isn't he? I can understand him not wanting to play for that annual salary. I'm not saying that it isn't a lot of money, just that it makes a lot more sense for him to turn it down knowing that info.

 

that's not the annual salary. that's what he gets this year; from 2011-13 he gets $25 million for doing nothing. deferred money is not money that doesn't exist.

 

But it is money that he doesn't get to collect interest on... lowering the effective value of the contract.

 

This is Manny we are talking about. I'm pretty sure he has no idea what interest is.

[Bote McBoteface]

I read on Dodgerblues that some of the money was deferred, and he'd only be making 10 mil the next two seasons in the deal he rejected yesterday, and that's why he rejected it. Not sure how true that is, seems kind of unlikely. But, if it is true, it would be more understandable why he declined it.

 

Yeah. Poor guy. How can one reasonably expect to live any sort of comfortably on a lousy $10 million a year? I wonder if he can qualify for welfare on that sort of pay.

 

Juan Pierre is making like 10 million a year, isn't he? I can understand him not wanting to play for that annual salary. I'm not saying that it isn't a lot of money, just that it makes a lot more sense for him to turn it down knowing that info.

 

that's not the annual salary. that's what he gets this year; from 2011-13 he gets $25 million for doing nothing. deferred money is not money that doesn't exist.

 

 

I understand that. I guess I'd just be less than thrilled about signing a contract with deferred money on it.

 

 

I thought they set a noon PT deadline, by the way? It's way past that. Why no news?

[17 Seconds]

Maybe someone should tell Coletti that his team is by far the frontrunners for their divison, and if need be, they should just wait for the deadline for another slugger to become available. For one, I get the feeling that Adam Dunn won't be in Washington past July.

 

without manny the dodgers definitely are not "by far the frontrunners" in the division, and it's arguable whether they'd be the favorites at all. their offense looks very mediocre. the rotation has a lot of holes. they'd have lost lowe, manny, and saito this offseason.

 

the dodgers are a below .500 team without manny i'd say.

[cubbinalltheway]

kudos to casey blake for saying what probably all of his teammates are thinking.

 

"I don't know how he rejects these offers when there's no other team out there. But we'll see," said Casey Blake. The third baseman/left fielder was referring to the latest Dodger proposal that Manny and Boras shot out of the sky — a cool $45 million for two years, portions of which may be deferred with or without interest.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9274196/If/when-Manny-signs,-will-he-be-happy?

[Roast]

kudos to casey blake for saying what probably all of his teammates are thinking.

 

"I don't know how he rejects these offers when there's no other team out there. But we'll see," said Casey Blake. The third baseman/left fielder was referring to the latest Dodger proposal that Manny and Boras shot out of the sky — a cool $45 million for two years, portions of which may be deferred with or without interest.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9274196/If/when-Manny-signs,-will-he-be-happy?

Funny. I bet if the roles were reversed, Casey Blake turned down a couple contract offers, and Manny made that exact same quote, people would be blasting him for being a clubhouse cancer or something like that.

[radarluv1]

i'd really like manny and boras to get burned on this one. i dont see it happening though. worst case dodgers dont make another offer and someone picks him up as a PH/DH for $15M.

[17 Seconds]

kudos to casey blake for saying what probably all of his teammates are thinking.

 

"I don't know how he rejects these offers when there's no other team out there. But we'll see," said Casey Blake. The third baseman/left fielder was referring to the latest Dodger proposal that Manny and Boras shot out of the sky — a cool $45 million for two years, portions of which may be deferred with or without interest.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9274196/If/when-Manny-signs,-will-he-be-happy?

Funny. I bet if the roles were reversed, Casey Blake turned down a couple contract offers, and Manny made that exact same quote, people would be blasting him for being a clubhouse cancer or something like that.

 

haha the situations wouldn't even be close to the same.

 

i love the people who are defending manny on this one. THE DODGERS ARE NOT BIDDING AGAINST ANYONE ELSE. almost everybody is taking significantly less than what they hoped to get this year, but manny think he's above that. 2/45 of rmanny is more than fair, but that's not even the point. why would the dodgers offer more when nobody else is? does manny not understand how it works? eff him.

[Roast]

kudos to casey blake for saying what probably all of his teammates are thinking.

 

"I don't know how he rejects these offers when there's no other team out there. But we'll see," said Casey Blake. The third baseman/left fielder was referring to the latest Dodger proposal that Manny and Boras shot out of the sky — a cool $45 million for two years, portions of which may be deferred with or without interest.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9274196/If/when-Manny-signs,-will-he-be-happy?

Funny. I bet if the roles were reversed, Casey Blake turned down a couple contract offers, and Manny made that exact same quote, people would be blasting him for being a clubhouse cancer or something like that.

 

haha the situations wouldn't even be close to the same.

 

i love the people who are defending manny on this one. THE DODGERS ARE NOT BIDDING AGAINST ANYONE ELSE. almost everybody is taking significantly less than what they hoped to get this year, but manny think he's above that. 2/45 of rmanny is more than fair, but that's not even the point. why would the dodgers offer more when nobody else is? does manny not understand how it works? eff him.

 

Again, let me stress this; I am not talking about money, and it does not seem as if Manny is either. But regardless of any of that, Manny most certainly has the room to negotiate here. He already has plenty of money, and he doesn't need to be playing to support any kind of livelihood. He doesn't need the Dodgers. He can afford to wait around a month or two into the season if he has to and wait for a team who is willing to give him more than 2 years.

 

The Dodgers, however, seriously need Manny. Without him, they're significantly worse.

 

Either way, I just have a hard time faulting a guy for trying to get a contract he wants.

[SouthSideRyan]

There's a pretty big difference between Manny is not a smart negotiator because he turned down a giant contract when there's only 1 bidder and Manny's an [expletive], [expletive] him for wanting to make what he thinks he's worth!!! I hope he dies in a fire.

 

And if Manny winds up getting better than this offer, are there gonna mea culpas from everyone who hated on him in this thread?

[The Other 15]

kudos to casey blake for saying what probably all of his teammates are thinking.

 

"I don't know how he rejects these offers when there's no other team out there. But we'll see," said Casey Blake. The third baseman/left fielder was referring to the latest Dodger proposal that Manny and Boras shot out of the sky — a cool $45 million for two years, portions of which may be deferred with or without interest.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9274196/If/when-Manny-signs,-will-he-be-happy?

Funny. I bet if the roles were reversed, Casey Blake turned down a couple contract offers, and Manny made that exact same quote, people would be blasting him for being a clubhouse cancer or something like that.

 

haha the situations wouldn't even be close to the same.

 

i love the people who are defending manny on this one. THE DODGERS ARE NOT BIDDING AGAINST ANYONE ELSE. almost everybody is taking significantly less than what they hoped to get this year, but manny think he's above that. 2/45 of rmanny is more than fair, but that's not even the point. why would the dodgers offer more when nobody else is? does manny not understand how it works? eff him.

 

Again, let me stress this; I am not talking about money, and it does not seem as if Manny is either. But regardless of any of that, Manny most certainly has the room to negotiate here. He already has plenty of money, and he doesn't need to be playing to support any kind of livelihood. He doesn't need the Dodgers. He can afford to wait around a month or two into the season if he has to and wait for a team who is willing to give him more than 2 years.

 

The Dodgers, however, seriously need Manny. Without him, they're significantly worse.

 

Either way, I just have a hard time faulting a guy for trying to get a contract he wants.

I don't know how you can say it's not about the money. It's all about the money - lots of it - 3 to wet dream 4 years of it. He forced a trade from one of the best teams (In possibly the worse way to do it) to get out of a $20 mil option. Not because he didn't think that was a lot of money but because he wanted more than that for more years. More years is more money.

 

He'll probably take the Dodgers first offer and delude himself into thinking that someone will give him the 3-4 years he want's next year. At this point, it's his best option by far to get that.

 

If he sits and waits, it would be for more money not principle.

[Illini Iceman]

kudos to casey blake for saying what probably all of his teammates are thinking.

 

"I don't know how he rejects these offers when there's no other team out there. But we'll see," said Casey Blake. The third baseman/left fielder was referring to the latest Dodger proposal that Manny and Boras shot out of the sky — a cool $45 million for two years, portions of which may be deferred with or without interest.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9274196/If/when-Manny-signs,-will-he-be-happy?

Funny. I bet if the roles were reversed, Casey Blake turned down a couple contract offers, and Manny made that exact same quote, people would be blasting him for being a clubhouse cancer or something like that.

 

haha the situations wouldn't even be close to the same.

 

i love the people who are defending manny on this one. THE DODGERS ARE NOT BIDDING AGAINST ANYONE ELSE. almost everybody is taking significantly less than what they hoped to get this year, but manny think he's above that. 2/45 of rmanny is more than fair, but that's not even the point. why would the dodgers offer more when nobody else is? does manny not understand how it works? eff him.

 

Why would the Dodgers offer him more when nobody else is? Because they want him on their team and need his services as a baseball player. Just because no one else values him as much does not mean he doesn't have leverage. He would only not have leverage if no one (including the Dodgers) needed him. It may make the Dodgers feel better if they tell him to walk but they probably also then won't make the playoffs and will have an unsuccessful season. Therefore, they have to figure out if the extra $5M is worth possibly blowing their chances to be a championship team. Manny and Boras are betting that they won't take that chance and will eventually give him the money he wants.

[Clem Fandango]

According to the Los Angeles Daily News, Manny Ramirez's agent, Scott Boras, asked the Dodgers to increase their offer to $55 million on Thursday night.

When Boras rejected the Dodgers' two-year, $45 million offer, he made the counter proposal. GM Ned Colletti reportedly reacted by pulling the club's offer and, according to the Daily News, "there is presently no offer on the table." It appears this is going to take some more time to iron out

 

Looks like it is about the money and not the years.

[TruffleShuffle]

kudos to casey blake for saying what probably all of his teammates are thinking.

 

"I don't know how he rejects these offers when there's no other team out there. But we'll see," said Casey Blake. The third baseman/left fielder was referring to the latest Dodger proposal that Manny and Boras shot out of the sky — a cool $45 million for two years, portions of which may be deferred with or without interest.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9274196/If/when-Manny-signs,-will-he-be-happy?

Funny. I bet if the roles were reversed, Casey Blake turned down a couple contract offers, and Manny made that exact same quote, people would be blasting him for being a clubhouse cancer or something like that.

 

that's because manny WAS a clubhouse cancer last year.

[TruffleShuffle]

ooh $27.5M per year for a 37 year old corner outfielder who's terrible defensively and quit on a team last year? where do i sign up for that?

[TruffleShuffle]

Fangraphs: Manny Being Stupid

[Rob]

ooh $27.5M per year for a 37 year old corner outfielder who's terrible defensively and quit on a team last year? where do i sign up for that?

 

Are you sure you're thinking of the right guy? Manny hit .347/.473/.587 for the Red Sox in June when you're saying he supposedly quit on them.