O's avoid arby with Markakis

[dew1679666265]

The Orioles gave Nick Markakis a six year, $66 million deal to avoid arbitration with the kid.

 

$11 million for a 24-year old who just posted a 134 OPS+.

[Clem Fandango]

Great deal. Guy is a stud, and only gonna get better.

[badnews]

Remember that time when we drafted Ryan Harvey one spot ahead of Markakis because Jim Hendry is in love with no-strike-zone-discipline assclowns from Florida? THANKS DUNEDIN HIGH SCHOOL

[imb]

Remember that time when we drafted Ryan Harvey one spot ahead of Markakis because Jim Hendry is in love with no-strike-zone-discipline assclowns from Florida? THANKS DUNEDIN HIGH SCHOOL

 

you'll regret this post in two years when harvey is whipping 95-mph sliders in on helpless hitters

[badnews]

What's he going to do when he faces hitters than don't hit with the wrong end of the bat?

[imb]

What's he going to do when he faces hitters than don't hit with the wrong end of the bat?

 

throw his outlaw curve

[badnews]

I thought they called it THE YELLOW HAMMER

[Mephistopheles]

Remember that time when we drafted Ryan Harvey one spot ahead of Markakis because Jim Hendry is in love with no-strike-zone-discipline assclowns from Florida? THANKS DUNEDIN HIGH SCHOOL

 

If you're going to say that you preferred Nick Markakis over Ryan Harvey on June 3rd, 2003 you're a lying son of a gun. Everyone thought we got a steal with Ryan Harvey. Had he not shredded his leg, it might been 50/50 between him and Young for first overall pick. He 'fell' to the Cubs with the sixth pick. Ryan Harvey himself had better tools than Delmon Young at the time. He hasn't panned out, but to criticize the Cubs for selecting Harvey (or Dopirak) is foolish. If you want to bitch about Ryan Harvey you should be bitching about the player development of the organization, not the scouting. There's a very good chance had Nick Markakis gone to the Cubs, he would have never developed into the player that he has become today.

Edited January 20, 2009 by Mephistopheles

[Mephistopheles]

The Orioles gave Nick Markakis a six year, $66 million deal to avoid arbitration with the kid.

 

$11 million for a 24-year old who just posted a 134 OPS+.

 

Personally, I don't see a lot of room for growth in his game. He doesn't have a ton of raw power and it seems like low-to-mid twenties is his ceiling home run wise, though he gets forty doubles a season so that's fine. What you see is what you get with him, and that's certainly a damn good baseball player.

[badnews]

Remember that time when we drafted Ryan Harvey one spot ahead of Markakis because Jim Hendry is in love with no-strike-zone-discipline assclowns from Florida? THANKS DUNEDIN HIGH SCHOOL

 

If you're going to say that you preferred Nick Markakis over Ryan Harvey on June 3rd, 2003 you're a lying son of a gun. Everyone thought we got a steal with Ryan Harvey. Had he not shredded his leg, it might been 50/50 between him and Young for first overall pick. He 'fell' to the Cubs with the sixth pick. Ryan Harvey himself had better tools than Delmon Young at the time. He hasn't panned out, but to criticize the Cubs for selecting Harvey (or Dopirak) is foolish. If you want to bitch about Ryan Harvey you should be bitching about the player development of the organization, not the scouting. There's a very good chance had Nick Markakis gone to the Cubs, he would have never developed into the player that he has become today.

 

That's what many people says about a number of Cubs draft picka. No one wanted Travis Snider over Tyler Colvin at the time! If Dustin Pedroia had still been on the table (close but no cigar) you'd be saying "Grant Johnson looked awesome before he got injured and everybody thought he was going to be terrific" so on and so forth. But nobody actually thinks these things. There was no consensus on Ryan Harvey or Mark Pawelek (just being from Utah was enough for some people to throw him under the bus). Everyone was ecstatic to have Bobby Brownlie because his velocity was coming back yes it was, the mothership is returning to earth any day now.

[Mephistopheles]

That's what many people says about a number of Cubs draft picka. No one wanted Travis Snider over Tyler Colvin at the time! If Dustin Pedroia had still been on the table (close but no cigar) you'd be saying "Grant Johnson looked awesome before he got injured and everybody thought he was going to be terrific" so on and so forth. But nobody actually thinks these things. There was no consensus on Ryan Harvey or Mark Pawelek (just being from Utah was enough for some people to throw him under the bus). Everyone was ecstatic to have Bobby Brownlie because his velocity was coming back yes it was, the mothership is returning to earth any day now.

 

Actually, I'm pretty sure everyone wanted someone else over Tyler Colvin at the time. Personally, I did want Travis Snider over Tyler Colvin. There was consensus on Ryan Harvey. The consensus with Mark Pawelek weren' really his ability. His ability slotted him quite a bit higher than 20th on the board, but his connection to Scott Boras made some teams gunshy. The point's that, in general, the Cubs drafting has been above average for the most part, they're getting good guys into the system for the most part. What we're not doing is developing them (especially the hitters) as well as other organizations. Really, the only *bad* first round pick from a consensus standpoint the Cubs have had this decade was Tyler Colvin. It's hard to bitch about Grant Johnson too. He was like 66th overall or something. Not 13th.

Edited January 20, 2009 by Mephistopheles

[imb]

even i wanted snider over colvin

[Mephistopheles]

maybe there was no consensus on josh vitters and we should have taken jason heyward instead!!

[RynoRules]

Remember that time when we drafted Ryan Harvey one spot ahead of Markakis because Jim Hendry is in love with no-strike-zone-discipline assclowns from Florida? THANKS DUNEDIN HIGH SCHOOL

 

If you're going to say that you preferred Nick Markakis over Ryan Harvey on June 3rd, 2003 you're a lying son of a gun. Everyone thought we got a steal with Ryan Harvey. Had he not shredded his leg, it might been 50/50 between him and Young for first overall pick. He 'fell' to the Cubs with the sixth pick. Ryan Harvey himself had better tools than Delmon Young at the time. He hasn't panned out, but to criticize the Cubs for selecting Harvey (or Dopirak) is foolish. If you want to bitch about Ryan Harvey you should be bitching about the player development of the organization, not the scouting. There's a very good chance had Nick Markakis gone to the Cubs, he would have never developed into the player that he has become today.

 

That is an interesting point. You know quite a bit more about the minors than I: is Harvey's failure due to his injuries or the Cubs' inability to develop position players? Both?

[dew1679666265]

The Orioles gave Nick Markakis a six year, $66 million deal to avoid arbitration with the kid.

 

$11 million for a 24-year old who just posted a 134 OPS+.

 

Personally, I don't see a lot of room for growth in his game. He doesn't have a ton of raw power and it seems like low-to-mid twenties is his ceiling home run wise, though he gets forty doubles a season so that's fine. What you see is what you get with him, and that's certainly a damn good baseball player.

 

Interesting.

 

Well, I guess the worst case with Markakis and his new deal is your paying $11 million for a guy to give you a 130ish OPS+ for the next six years. Baltimore's gotta be happy.

[badnews]

maybe there was no consensus on josh vitters and we should have taken jason heyward instead!!

 

There was no consensus on Vitters, unless we're pretending like Matt Wieters doesn't exist. I know some people have a conspiracy theory that Bud Selig said the Cubs would be sold to the Moon People if they drafted Wieters. Sure.

 

I'd like some bonus baby justification. How do you throw away that money on Chris Huseby when you could have Jordan Walden, Matt Latos, or Lars Anderson instead? I don't know, because Jim Hendry has had a stroke that has left him feeling he must draft 50% of his players from Florida and Virginia. This is the guy whose second choice after Pawelek was throwing money at Justin Bristow. As far as I can tell he's got 80% of his scouting team deployed in Virginia at all times. And who the hell heard of Huseby before we signed him? Was this like Nick Adenhart, a guy everyone heard about, who got injured? No. It was just another one of Hendry's anonymous big money buffoons from the southeast.

[Clem Fandango]

In retrospect, choosing Vitters was probably the right move now. We already got Geo, so no dire need for Weiters. And now Vitters might help us net Jake Peavy. If he doesn't he'll be in our system until he's ready for MLB play until, theoretically, Aramis' contract is up and by that time Geo will (knock on wood) be an established top tier catcher with still a few good years left in him

[jersey cubs fan]

There was consensus on Ryan Harvey?

[imb]

In retrospect, choosing Vitters was probably the right move now. We already got Geo, so no dire need for Weiters. And now Vitters might help us net Jake Peavy. If he doesn't he'll be in our system until he's ready for MLB play until, theoretically, Aramis' contract is up and by that time Geo will (knock on wood) be an established top tier catcher with still a few good years left in him

 

wieters will probably be more valuable at first base than vitters will be at third base. and quicker, too.

[Clem Fandango]

In retrospect, choosing Vitters was probably the right move now. We already got Geo, so no dire need for Weiters. And now Vitters might help us net Jake Peavy. If he doesn't he'll be in our system until he's ready for MLB play until, theoretically, Aramis' contract is up and by that time Geo will (knock on wood) be an established top tier catcher with still a few good years left in him

 

wieters will probably be more valuable at first base than vitters will be at third base. and quicker, too.

 

True. It would be nice to have a 1B ready to go when Lee's contract is over. I didn't know they panned on moving Wieters to first, I thought they were keeping him at catcher

[BigbadB]

In retrospect, choosing Vitters was probably the right move now. We already got Geo, so no dire need for Weiters. And now Vitters might help us net Jake Peavy. If he doesn't he'll be in our system until he's ready for MLB play until, theoretically, Aramis' contract is up and by that time Geo will (knock on wood) be an established top tier catcher with still a few good years left in him

 

wieters will probably be more valuable at first base than vitters will be at third base. and quicker, too.

 

True. It would be nice to have a 1B ready to go when Lee's contract is over. I didn't know they panned on moving Wieters to first, I thought they were keeping him at catcher

 

I'm surprised he's still behind the plate. I can't imagine squatting behind the plate for 9 innings and 135 games at 6'5" and 230 pounds. That's a rather large target.

 

Mauer is about that size, and he hasn't exactly been a model of health.

[Mephistopheles]

That is an interesting point. You know quite a bit more about the minors than I: is Harvey's failure due to his injuries or the Cubs' inability to develop position players? Both?

 

It's rarely ever injuries with position prospects where speed isn't 90 percent of their game. It's a combination of his poor discipline, poor work-ethic and the Cubs inability to develop hitters.

[biittner77]

In retrospect, choosing Vitters was probably the right move now. We already got Geo, so no dire need for Weiters. And now Vitters might help us net Jake Peavy. If he doesn't he'll be in our system until he's ready for MLB play until, theoretically, Aramis' contract is up and by that time Geo will (knock on wood) be an established top tier catcher with still a few good years left in him

 

wieters will probably be more valuable at first base than vitters will be at third base. and quicker, too.

 

True. It would be nice to have a 1B ready to go when Lee's contract is over. I didn't know they panned on moving Wieters to first, I thought they were keeping him at catcher

 

They have lot's of option to play 1st after Lee. Ramirez moving to 1st to make room for Vitters for example. If Soto keeps hitting they may want to move him to first, especially if Wellington Castillo develops.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Maybe we should stop drafting guys on whom there is consensus?

[Mephistopheles]

Maybe we should stop drafting guys on whom there is consensus?

 

We did: And his name is Tyler Colvin.