2009 Chicago Bears offseason

[rawaction]

WR makes the most sense, but no one is really likely to make an immediate impact, so its really a pick for the future. Hester will enter as the #1.

 

Oh and did anyone see what Kiper had to say about the Bears and WR.

 

Seems to think Percy Harvin is their guy. WTF?

 

I like Harvin more than most Bears fans seem to. But I think this opens the door for the Bears to go completely off the radar with their pick. I still think that they think they can get a good WR in the 2nd. I don't think there's much difference in the WRs who will be there at 18 vs. those that will be there in the early 40s. Granted the Bears may have to maneuver or have someone slip, but I have seen mocks w/ Robiske and Nicks going in the 50s.

 

I think you could see the Bears wait on a WR til the 2nd and OL til the 3rd. I think this signing opens the door for a pick like Peria Jerry at DT or Vontae Davis at CB if they stay at 18.

[Soul]

WR makes the most sense, but no one is really likely to make an immediate impact, so its really a pick for the future. Hester will enter as the #1.

 

Oh and did anyone see what Kiper had to say about the Bears and WR.

 

Seems to think Percy Harvin is their guy. WTF?

 

I don't see it like that, but what do I know?

 

Harvin's a pretty explosive playmaker -- are you saying you'd be horrified with that pick? It depends on who else was available, but I don't think I'd be throwing stuff at the TV or anything.

[minnesotacubsfan]

so now the Bears appearantly are intersested in Cutler

 

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/huddleup/2009/03/denver-broncos-quarterback-jay-cutler-reportedly-on-bears-radar.html

[minnesotacubsfan]

I see Harvin as a Steve Smith

 

I'd take him

[minnesotacubsfan]

Does this mean the Bears are not going to draft a tackle in the first round? Maybe a receiver instead?

 

the front office has been scouting WR's pretty hardcore lately accordign to the suntimes and trib

[jersey cubs fan]

WR makes the most sense, but no one is really likely to make an immediate impact, so its really a pick for the future. Hester will enter as the #1.

 

Oh and did anyone see what Kiper had to say about the Bears and WR.

 

Seems to think Percy Harvin is their guy. WTF?

 

I like Harvin more than most Bears fans seem to. But I think this opens the door for the Bears to go completely off the radar with their pick. I still think that they think they can get a good WR in the 2nd. I don't think there's much difference in the WRs who will be there at 18 vs. those that will be there in the early 40s. Granted the Bears may have to maneuver or have someone slip, but I have seen mocks w/ Robiske and Nicks going in the 50s.

 

I think you could see the Bears wait on a WR til the 2nd and OL til the 3rd. I think this signing opens the door for a pick like Peria Jerry at DT or Vontae Davis at CB if they stay at 18.

 

Yeah, that would make sense. If 1.OL 2.WR was most likely before, they can still wait until 2 to get a receiver and draft just about any position in the first.

[Soul]

I see Harvin as a Steve Smith

 

I'd take him

 

He's always been regarded as one of the best pure prospects in the country, even coming out of high school. He's highly athletic, a true speed threat and always has been.

 

The biggest knock I've heard against Harvin is that he's too much like Hester. I'd prefer a more physical compliment to Hester too, but it would definitely strain defenses more to have to worry about both Hester and Harvin. We'd have two true deep threats. Harvin would immediately mean the Bears become an offense that can stretch the field, without any question.

 

I think we could do worse. He might not even fall to us.

[biittner77]

Does this mean the Bears are not going to draft a tackle in the first round? Maybe a receiver instead?

 

the front office has been scouting WR's pretty hardcore lately accordign to the suntimes and trib

 

If the Bears and general manager Jerry Angelo indeed expressed interest in Cutler, you can bet Kyle Orton isn't the least bit enthused right now.

 

I don't understand this line. Wouldn't Orton go to the Broncos in any trade for Cutler? If he goes to Denver he starts this season and at least half of next season. At that point he could have established himself as a marketable FA- something he'd never be able to do in the Bears scheme.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I see Harvin as a Steve Smith

 

I'd take him

 

He's always been regarded as one of the best pure prospects in the country, even coming out of high school. He's highly athletic, a true speed threat and always has been.

 

The biggest knock I've heard against Harvin is that he's too much like Hester. I'd prefer a more physical compliment to Hester too, but it would definitely strain defenses more to have to worry about both Hester and Harvin. We'd have two true deep threats. Harvin would immediately mean the Bears become an offense that can stretch the field, without any question.

 

I think we could do worse. He might not even fall to us.

 

biggest dif between Harvin and Hester is this:

 

HArvin has always been a WR, Hester has been everything .... and then a WR

 

Harvin is much more polished, besides we have 2 TE's who can be physical downfield

[Soul]

I see Harvin as a Steve Smith

 

I'd take him

 

He's always been regarded as one of the best pure prospects in the country, even coming out of high school. He's highly athletic, a true speed threat and always has been.

 

The biggest knock I've heard against Harvin is that he's too much like Hester. I'd prefer a more physical compliment to Hester too, but it would definitely strain defenses more to have to worry about both Hester and Harvin. We'd have two true deep threats. Harvin would immediately mean the Bears become an offense that can stretch the field, without any question.

 

I think we could do worse. He might not even fall to us.

 

biggest dif between Harvin and Hester is this:

 

HArvin has always been a WR, Hester has been everything .... and then a WR

 

Harvin is much more polished, besides we have 2 TE's who can be physical downfield

 

We do.

 

Anyway, I also like the idea of holding off until the 2nd round to pick up a value WR, and using the 1st round for a pseudo-BPA type pick. If there's a fantastic player available who happened to fall to us, I wouldn't want to pigeonhole ourselves into a single position.

[minnesotacubsfan]

If the Bears and general manager Jerry Angelo indeed expressed interest in Cutler, you can bet Kyle Orton isn't the least bit enthused right now.

 

I don't understand this line. Wouldn't Orton go to the Broncos in any trade for Cutler? If he goes to Denver he starts this season and at least half of next season. At that point he could have established himself as a marketable FA- something he'd never be able to do in the Bears scheme.

 

yea, my only thought is that Orton has always been in Chigao and feels like he's earned the right to stay here and has no desire to be part of a rebuilding situation in Denver. Orton would likely be the starter here or there....

 

 

not that we arent in our own rebuildign situation..

[RedFlash]

Anyway, I also like the idea of holding off until the 2nd round to pick up a value WR, and using the 1st round for a pseudo-BPA type pick. If there's a fantastic player available who happened to fall to us, I wouldn't want to pigeonhole ourselves into a single position.

 

I agree. Every draft there is a few players that people "thought" were first rd picks, but by draft day they fell (ie Alain Branch and Alex Brown are a couple that fit this bill, imo) for whatever reason. So there is reasonable hope that a Kenny Britt or a Akeem Nicks could still be there in the 2nd rd. So yes, I like the idea of taking BPA instead of pigeonholding for a specific need.

[Soul]

It's interesting how this draft went from a "must draft OT in the first" situation, to a "kid in the candy store" situation, with the pickup of a stop-gap RT :)

[Tyrant]

biggest dif between Harvin and Hester is this:

 

HArvin has always been a WR, Hester has been everything .... and then a WR

 

Harvin is much more polished, besides we have 2 TE's who can be physical downfield

 

Harvin is also a LOT stronger than Hester. I don't think they're that similar, except that they're both explosive players.

[YearofDaCubs]

I'm actually really glad they picked up another tackle because I don't feel we should draft an offensive line position with our first 2 picks. We need a WR, Safety and DE. I'm willing to give up this years first and next year's first for Cutler btw. It's a move the Bears should try almost anything to make.

[biittner77]

If the Bears and general manager Jerry Angelo indeed expressed interest in Cutler, you can bet Kyle Orton isn't the least bit enthused right now.

 

I don't understand this line. Wouldn't Orton go to the Broncos in any trade for Cutler? If he goes to Denver he starts this season and at least half of next season. At that point he could have established himself as a marketable FA- something he'd never be able to do in the Bears scheme.

 

yea, my only thought is that Orton has always been in Chigao and feels like he's earned the right to stay here and has no desire to be part of a rebuilding situation in Denver. Orton would likely be the starter here or there....

 

 

not that we arent in our own rebuildign situation..

 

The situations are pretty similar. The AFC West is a pretty winnable division next year for Denver if they play any defense at all. Plus any rebuilding program in the NFL lasts maybe a season unless its a cheap franchise like Cincy or a terrible run one like Detroit. That doesn't apply to Denver.

[Keener98]

Isnt the biggest question mark regarding Harvin his durability ?

[Soul]

Yes, I have heard durability is a concern with Harvin. Also a pretty cocky dude, though I'm not sure if I'd call that a bad thing as long as he knows when to cut it out and play football.

[jersey cubs fan]

It's interesting how this draft went from a "must draft OT in the first" situation, to a "kid in the candy store" situation, with the pickup of a stop-gap RT :)

 

That's a stretch. They still need to address OL. You don't ignore it for 5 years and then suddenly solve it with one pick and a couple stopgap signings. If BPA is a tackle, they should probably draft him. They still lack at guard and will need to replace Kreutz within a couple years. And who even knows if Williams will be any good.

 

Anyway, they are still desperate for multiple upgrades that they have to address in the draft. The 2007 draft was the, hey whatever we feel like doing we will draft. This team isn't talented or deep enough to treat this draft as anything but crucial.

[WrigleyField 22]

I have concerns with Harvin being similar to Hester, thus the "WTF", but if the Bears feel like he is the best player there, you take him and worry about it later. It just depends who falls.

 

I can't wait to see what happens though.

 

I think you could see the Bears wait on a WR til the 2nd and OL til the 3rd. I think this signing opens the door for a pick like Peria Jerry at DT or Vontae Davis at CB if they stay at 18.

I'm not so sure I could see CB, but I'd actually really like the Peria Jerry pick. It just depends on whos there though.

 

Is Tory Holt still unsigned? If the Bears could just go pick up a stop gap WR like him, they really would have the flexibility to go BPA in the draft. We'd be in a position where we have long term needs at everywhere but TE and RB, but it wouldn't matter what long term needs we filled, we could just get the best player.

 

As it stands now though, WR makes the most sense for the first rounder, second round at the latest.

 

Trading down is also another big wilcard, not only because it changes who we'd be looking at with our first pick, but it would give us another early pick to play around with on something that might not be a pressing need, like LB or CB.

[dew1679666265]

Isnt the biggest question mark regarding Harvin his durability ?

 

Yeah, he got hurt fairly consistently at Florida. He's an incredible talent with terrific speed and surprisingly good strength, but he was on and off the field quite a bit at UF.

 

That said, I think he's well worth the risk durability-wise. As I said, he's a terrific athlete. I do wonder, however, if he'd be the best pick for the Bears. He's a more polished, stronger receiver than Hester, but they both have very similar styles. I would think a DHB, Nicks or Britt type would be better since you already have Hester.

[dew1679666265]

Is Tory Holt still unsigned?

 

Yep.

[Soul]

Isnt the biggest question mark regarding Harvin his durability ?

 

Yeah, he got hurt fairly consistently at Florida. He's an incredible talent with terrific speed and surprisingly good strength, but he was on and off the field quite a bit at UF.

 

That said, I think he's well worth the risk durability-wise. As I said, he's a terrific athlete. I do wonder, however, if he'd be the best pick for the Bears. He's a more polished, stronger receiver than Hester, but they both have very similar styles. I would think a DHB, Nicks or Britt type would be better since you already have Hester.

 

I've heard questions about DHB & Britt's hands. If that's true, there's nothing that can kill a WR prospect faster than dropping the ball.

 

Harvin: I don't know, I guess it depends on the level of injury concern we're talking about. Will he never play? Or will he just miss a couple games a year? Hard to say.

[rawaction]

Harvin also has ?s because he was a RB at Florida. He supposedly didn't run the "route tree" in college. While I do think his route running will be very raw, I don't see him being a similar player to Hester. I look at Harvin having played RB in the SEC as a positive, not a negative. He did get hurt, but he took some hits running inside the tackles. Because of this I think he can do a lot more damage in traffic than Hester, who clearly shies away from any kind of contact.

 

Harvin will go from having to run thru his own line, defensive lines, LBs and then DBs to being a WR and not taking too many hits from lineman. That alone should help his durability. He's strong as an OX (22 reps of 225lbs). I think he's a lot more Steve Smith than Reggie Bush. That being said, to think he could be as good as Smith would be premature.

[Guest]

I'd rather have Harvin than DHB (would prefer Maclin if he fell, of course).