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The Vikings hold the tiebreaker over the Bears right? If so, how?

 

I think its the "Common Opponents" tiebreaker.

Funny thing, if both teams win out, it ends up being conference record that decides the tiebreaker. If the Bears lose this week and win next while the Vikings lose, it's division record, and if the Bears win this week, and both lose next week it's common opponents.

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Even if its warmer tomorrow than today, hopefully the Packers react to the bad weather as they did last year (game-time: 8°F, wind chill: -6°F).
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Ok, if the Bears win out and the Vikings win out then won't they have tied all the tiebreakers?

 

Tiebreaker 1: Head to Head

They split, each winning 1 game against each other

 

Tiebreaker 2: Division winning percentage

They'd both be 4-2

 

Tiebreaker 3: Common opponents

They've played the same schedule except for the Bears beating Philly and the Rams and the Vikings beating the Cardinals and the Giants (assuming they both win out).

 

...So then what?

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Ok, if the Bears win out and the Vikings win out then won't they have tied all the tiebreakers?

 

Tiebreaker 1: Head to Head

They split, each winning 1 game against each other

 

Tiebreaker 2: Division winning percentage

They'd both be 4-2

 

Tiebreaker 3: Common opponents

They've played the same schedule except for the Bears beating Philly and the Rams and the Vikings beating the Cardinals and the Giants (assuming they both win out).

 

...So then what?

 

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).

2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

5. Strength of victory.

6. Strength of schedule.

7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

9. Best net points in common games.

10. Best net points in all games.

11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

12. Coin toss

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Sosa21MVP

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Ok, if the Bears win out and the Vikings win out then won't they have tied all the tiebreakers?

 

Tiebreaker 1: Head to Head

They split, each winning 1 game against each other

 

Tiebreaker 2: Division winning percentage

They'd both be 4-2

 

Tiebreaker 3: Common opponents

They've played the same schedule except for the Bears beating Philly and the Rams and the Vikings beating the Cardinals and the Giants (assuming they both win out).

 

...So then what?

 

Conference record would favor the Vikings if both teams win out. Vikings would be 8-4 against the NFC, the Bears only 7-5.

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Ok, if the Bears win out and the Vikings win out then won't they have tied all the tiebreakers?

 

Tiebreaker 1: Head to Head

They split, each winning 1 game against each other

 

Tiebreaker 2: Division winning percentage

They'd both be 4-2

 

Tiebreaker 3: Common opponents

They've played the same schedule except for the Bears beating Philly and the Rams and the Vikings beating the Cardinals and the Giants (assuming they both win out).

 

...So then what?

 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=tiebreakers

 

Ok, so I guess its strength of victory...which unfortunately means as of now its in the Vikings favor.

 

Non-common victories

 

Bears beat Colts (11-4), Eagles (8-6-1), Rams (2-13)

 

Vikings beat Jags (5-10), Cards (8-7), Giants (11-3 so far)

 

So as of this second the bears unique victories have a record of 22-23-1 and the Vikings are 24-20.

 

So, we need the Giants to lose tonight.

The Jags will probably lose to Baltimore next week since its at Baltimore and they are fighting for a playoff spot.

The Cards will rest their starters so they'll probably lose to the Seahawks.

If that happens, then, Jags (5-11), Cards (8-8), Giants (11-5), for 24-24

 

Our opponents

The Colts will probably phone it in, but so will their opponent, the Titans since they've already locked up home field. So who knows whats going to happen there.

The Eagles are at home vs Dallas...huge game for both teams, who knows.

The Rams play Atlanta, whos already clinched a spot, so they'll phone it in, but the Rams really suck and will still probably lose.

 

Of those 3 games, we'd need 2 of the Colts/Eagles/Rams to win (and the Jags, Cards, and tonight the Giants to lose).

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Ok, if the Bears win out and the Vikings win out then won't they have tied all the tiebreakers?

 

Tiebreaker 1: Head to Head

They split, each winning 1 game against each other

 

Tiebreaker 2: Division winning percentage

They'd both be 4-2

 

Tiebreaker 3: Common opponents

They've played the same schedule except for the Bears beating Philly and the Rams and the Vikings beating the Cardinals and the Giants (assuming they both win out).

 

...So then what?

 

Conference record would favor the Vikings if both teams win out. Vikings would be 8-4 against the NFC, the Bears only 7-5.

 

Damnit, if I could read, I wouldnt have had to go through all of that.

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Sosa21MVP

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It just makes my head hurt to think about how all those blown games earlier in the season are biting us now. Just winning ONE of those games would have put the Bears in control of their own fate.
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If the Giants do lose tonight, I have to believe they will not take a week off against Minnesota. Nobody wants to enter the playoffs on a losing streak. Plus they would have a bye week anyways and creating a virtual 2nd bye week by resting starters isn't a great idea. The Colts have learned that lesson in recent years.

 

But then again I'm just a homer trying to rationalize how the Giants will try to beat Minnesota.

 

Also while I feel good about the Bears beating Green Bay tomorrow, I just can't help but have a bad feeling about the Houston game next week. The Bears could make all these scenarios useless by laying an egg at Reliant Stadium. The Texans are definitely not a push over.

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Everything that needed to happen to keep the Bears in the playoff hunt came to fruition today, which is a good thing.

 

Which means it will be even sweeter when the Packers win tomorrow night.

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Everything that needed to happen to keep the Bears in the playoff hunt came to fruition today, which is a good thing.

 

Which means it will be even sweeter when the Packers win tomorrow night.

 

It will be even sweeter when the Bears shut up the cheeseheads and the fairweathered fans that grew up in Chicago and inexplicably decided to root for the Packers just because the Bears had a couple of down years :)

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Everything that needed to happen to keep the Bears in the playoff hunt came to fruition today, which is a good thing.

 

Which means it will be even sweeter when the Packers win tomorrow night.

 

It will be even sweeter when the Bears shut up the cheeseheads and the fairweathered fans that grew up in Chicago and inexplicably decided to root for the Packers just because the Bears had a couple of down years :)

 

Not really, it's a win-win for me as far as I'm concerned.

 

If we win, we eliminate the Bears from playoff contention. If we lose, it just helps our draft pick out and the Vikings should still win the division next week anyway.

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Everything that needed to happen to keep the Bears in the playoff hunt came to fruition today, which is a good thing.

 

Which means it will be even sweeter when the Packers win tomorrow night.

 

It will be even sweeter when the Bears shut up the cheeseheads and the fairweathered fans that grew up in Chicago and inexplicably decided to root for the Packers just because the Bears had a couple of down years :)

 

Not really, it's a win-win for me as far as I'm concerned.

 

If we win, we eliminate the Bears from playoff contention. If we lose, it just helps our draft pick out and the Vikings should still win the division next week anyway.

 

I would rather have the Bears win the division then the Vikings. I hate the Vikings more than anything. I personally don't mind the Bears, that has a lot to do with the fact that I am only 22 and live in Iowa.

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The Bears are pretty much screwed. The Giants will have literally nothing to play for in Minnesota next week

The Vikings have blown much easier chances.

 

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The Bears are pretty much screwed. The Giants will have literally nothing to play for in Minnesota next week

 

Just like the 3-12 Cardinals had nothing to play for a few years back when they beat the Vikings to knock them out of the playoffs?

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