BBWAA HOF Balot

[BigbadB]

I've posted this on this site before, but take a look at Bert Blyleven's stats compared to his peers that are all in the Hall of Fame:

 

 

 

Shutouts

t1) Nolan Ryan: 61

t1) Tom Seaver: 61

3) Bert Blyleven: 60

4) Don Sutton: 58

5) Steve Carlton: 55

t6) Jim Palmer: 53

t6) Gaylord Perry: 53

8) Fergie Jenkins: 49

9) Phil Niekro: 45

10) Catfish Hunter: 42

 

Complete Games

1) Gaylord Perry: 303

2) Fergie Jenkins: 267

3) Steve Carlton: 254

4) Phil Niekro: 245

5) Bert Blyleven: 242

6) Tom Seaver: 231

7) Nolan Ryan: 222

8) Jim Palmer: 211

9) Catfish Hunter: 181

10) Don Sutton: 178

 

Career Ks

1) Nolan Ryan: 5714

2) Steve Carlton: 4136

3) Bert Blyleven: 3701

4) Tom Seaver: 3640

5) Don Sutton: 3574

6) Gaylord Perry: 3534

7) Phil Niekro: 3342

8) Fergie Jenkins: 3192

9) Jim Palmer: 2212

10) Catfish Hunter: 2012

 

No. of Top 5 WHIP Finishes

1) Don Sutton: 10

2) Tom Seaver: 9

3) Bert Blyleven: 7

t4) Jim Palmer: 6

t4) Gaylord Perry: 6

t4) Nolan Ryan: 6

7) Steve Carlton: 5

t8) Catfish Hunter: 4

t8) Fergie Jenkins: 4

t8) Phil Niekro: 4

 

No. of 130 and Higher ERA+ Seasons

1) Tom Seaver: 9

2) Jim Palmer: 8

3) Bert Blyleven: 7

4) Steve Cartlon: 5

t5) Phil Niekro: 4

t5) Gaylord Perry: 4

t5) Nolan Ryan: 4

t8) Catfish Hunter: 3

t8) Don Sutton: 3

10) Fergie Jenkins: 2

 

No. of Top 5 ERA+ Seasons

1) Tom Seaver: 9

2) Jim Palmer: 8

3) Bert Blyleven: 7

4) Steve Carlton: 5

5) Nolan Ryan: 4

t6) Catfish Hunter: 3

t6) Phil Niekro: 3

t6) Don Sutton: 3

t9) Fergie Jenkins: 2

t9) Gaylord Perry: 2

 

5 Year Peak ERA+ Average

1) Tom Seaver: 165.6

2) Steve Carlton: 162.2

3) Jim Palmer: 154.4

4) Phil Niekro: 149.4

5)Bert Blyleven: 149

6) Nolan Ryan: 148.8

7) Don Sutton: 143.6

8) Gaylord Perry: 142.8

9) Fergie Jenkins: 130.4

10) Catfish Hunter: 129.2

 

No. of Top 5 Raw ERA Finishes

1) Jim Palmer: 10

t2) Bert Blyleven: 7

t2) Tom Seaver: 7

t4) Steve Carlton: 5

t4) Nolan Ryan: 5

6) Don Sutton: 4

t7) Catfish Hunter: 3

t7) Phil Niekro: 3

t7) Gaylord Perry: 3

10) Fergie Jenkins: 0

 

Career WARP3

Bert Blyleven: 147.7

Tom Seaver: 146.6

Steve Carlton: 138.7

Nolan Ryan: 135.5

Phil Niekro: 132.9

Gaylord Perry: 130.9

Ferguson Jenkins: 128.5

Don Sutton: 106.9

Jim Palmer: 99.6

Catfish Hunter: 67.8

 

Wow, they sure didn't baby Blyleven. By the end of his age 25 season, he had already amassed almost 2000 major league innings pitched. :shock:

[Clem Fandango]

I like how for years now the media has been saying how 3,000 strikeouts is one of the HOF clinchers for pitchers, while Blyleven was 300 shy of 4,000 and still isn't in.

 

Absurd

[SouthSideRyan]

I [expletive] hate Mark Grace.

[AlwaysaCub]

I ---SOAPDROPPING--- hate Mark Grace.

 

Slump Buster with your wife?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Henderson.

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Does anyone think that the BWAA may keep out all the steroid era players (or at least those with a taint) until such time as their value can be sorted out?

 

I could see Bonds never getting in though. It's kind of ironic that two of the greatest of all time could be left out of the HOF.

 

If Bonds and Clemens dont make it in, the Hall may as well not even exist, at least to anyone petaining to the late 80's-early 00's, except for Maddux.

[AlwaysaCub]

Henderson.

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Does anyone think that the BWAA may keep out all the steroid era players (or at least those with a taint) until such time as their value can be sorted out?

 

I could see Bonds never getting in though. It's kind of ironic that two of the greatest of all time could be left out of the HOF.

 

If Bonds and Clemens dont make it in, the Hall may as well not even exist, at least to anyone petaining to the late 80's-early 00's, except for Maddux.

 

The Big Unit? Pedro? Griffey? I bet all three make it in.

[SouthSideRyan]

I ---SOAPDROPPING--- hate Mark Grace.

 

Slump Buster with your wife?

 

Overrated ballplayer, horrendous announce, douchebag, creates armies of people who make lameass slumpbuster jokes.

[rocket]

i bet jim rice gets in this year

[SouthSideRyan]

i bet jim rice gets in this year

 

Criminal.

[Rob]

Henderson

McGwire

Raines

Blyleven

Trammell

 

Those five unequivocally deserve to get in.

 

I go back and forth on Dawson... he's right on the edge. Grace is a half step behind, and probably deserves an inner circle spot in the Hall of Very Good. Lee Smith shouldn't get into the HoF without paying for admission.

[manbearcub]

I ---SOAPDROPPING--- hate Mark Grace.

 

Slump Buster with your wife?

 

Overrated ballplayer, horrendous announce, douchebag, creates armies of people who make lameass slumpbuster jokes.

someone needs a slumpbuster...

[DubCub]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3737005

 

• Harold Baines

• Jay Bell

• Bert Blyleven

• David Cone

• Andre Dawson

• Ron Gant

• Mark Grace

• Rickey Henderson

• Tommy John

• Don Mattingly

• Mark McGwire

• Jack Morris

• Dale Murphy

• Jesse Orosco

• Dave Parker

• Dan Plesac

• Tim Raines

• Jim Rice

• Lee Smith

• Alan Trammell

• Greg Vaughn

• Mo Vaughn

• Matt Williams

 

This is quite the list. Jessie Orosco and Rickey Henderson finally made it on the ballot. I can't decide who is he most ridiculous candidate, although I think that the frontrunners are Greg Vaughn and Dan Plesac.

 

Andre Dawson, Dan Plesac, and Mark Grace constitute the former Cubs on this ballot. Personally, I'm curious as to how Mark Grace, notorious for being the hits leader of the 90s, does on this ballot.

What about Lee Smith?

Andre Dawson, Dan Plesac, and Mark Grace constitute the former Cubs on this ballot.

[kujay]

Rickey Henderson better be voted in. His acceptance speech will be epic.

 

OMFG yes. I would watch that.

[Garwilly]

Rickey Henderson better be voted in. His acceptance speech will be epic.

 

OMFG yes. I would watch that.

 

When juxtaposed next to Santo's, it will be polar opposites of appreciation.

[OleMissCub]

Rickey Henderson better be voted in. His acceptance speech will be epic.

 

OMFG yes. I would watch that.

 

Rickey would probably think he was there to cut the ribbon at a mall opening or something.

[AlwaysaCub]

What about Lee Smith?

Andre Dawson, Dan Plesac, and Mark Grace constitute the former Cubs on this ballot.

 

Howry...surprised it took that long for someone to catch it.

[bukie]

In order of who I think deserves it most:

 

1. Rickey Henderson

2. Bert Blyleven

3. Mark McGwire (Frankly, at this point, I don't care anymore. Everyone knows he did Andro when it wasn't against the rules, and he was a memorable slugger in the 90's. His status deserves it even if you choose to completely ignore his stats.)

4. Alan Trammell

5. Tim Raines

6. Dale Murphy

7. Andre Dawson

8. Mark Grace

9. Jim Rice

10. Lee Smith

 

I'd probably limit it to the first 5 that truly deserve entry, though.

[bhogg]

Grace was a hero of mine growing up, but he shouldn't get one vote. He didn't do anything hall worthy.

[Rob]

Grace was a hero of mine growing up, but he shouldn't get one vote. He didn't do anything hall worthy.

 

He's got a higher WARP3 than Jim Rice... then again, who doesn't?

[OleMissCub]

Grace was a hero of mine growing up, but he shouldn't get one vote. He didn't do anything hall worthy.

 

He's got a higher WARP3 than Jim Rice... then again, who doesn't?

 

lol, awesome

[Rob]

Grace was a hero of mine growing up, but he shouldn't get one vote. He didn't do anything hall worthy.

 

He's got a higher WARP3 than Jim Rice... then again, who doesn't?

 

lol, awesome

 

No, seriously.

 

Career WARP3 values

 

Rickey Henderson - 189.8

Bert Blyleven - 147.7

Tim Raines - 131.1

Alan Trammell - 127.1

Mark McGwire - 109.8

Andre Dawson - 107.5

Tommy John - 103.8

Harold Baines - 98.6

David Cone - 94.2

Matt Williams - 91.2

Jay Bell - 88.8

Dale Murphy - 86.4

Mark Grace - 86.2

Lee Smith - 85.5

Jack Morris - 85.0

Dave Parker - 84.6

Don Mattingly - 84.3

 

Jim Rice - 80.2

 

Greg Vaughn - 65.3

Ron Gant - 62.9

Mo Vaughn - 61.2

Jesse Orosco - 60.9

Dan Plesac - 52.5

 

Obviously, there are arguments for peak vs. longevity and all that... but Jim Rice belongs nowhere near a HoF conversation.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Grace holds up better than I would have guessed. I still don't like him.

[erik316wttn]

The only reason Mattingly gets consideration is because he played in New York his whole career. If he'd have played in a smaller market like Kansas City or Pittsburgh, there'd be no way he'd even recieve a single vote. I'm not saying he'll get in, but he'll get the fair majority of his votes for the sole reason of being a very good Yankee. The same will go for Derek Jeter when he's on the ballot.

 

Grace also doesn't deserve admission. It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good.

 

Lee Smith I could see. McGwire I could see. Henderson should absolutely make it. I wouldn't be upset if Blyleven made it in. And, of course, I'm a HUGE Andre Dawson fan, so I'm rooting for his admission, too.

 

And, of course, Ron Santo has to get in. This has gotta be the year. I don't think he'll be around for too many more of these, and I'd like to see him get in while he's alive.

[SouthSideRyan]

Jay Bell - 88.8

 

Probably the most underrated player of recent times.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Grace also doesn't deserve admission. It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good.

 

It's also not the "Hall of Great," if you are going to go down that road.