College Football - Championship Week

[ELCABALLO45]

1st off...

 

The NTG SHOULD and BETTER be Florida v. Oklahoma. Should be a helluva game. (Which we wont get to see for another month....awesome)

 

2nd... After reading this thread I have found out that.....

 

1. Bama would beat Florida 7 out of 10 times, despite Florida being clearly the better team today (And without Harvin)

 

2. Tim Tebow is a god.

 

3. Next years Bama roster...

 

QB - A mix of Vick and Montana

RB - Darren Tomlinson (A mix of LT and Run DMC)

WR - Julio Jones

WR - Julio Jones

WR - Julio Jones

[Mephistopheles]

alright...heisman discussion

[B]

alright...heisman discussion

Tebow should win. He's the only one that's a proven heisman winner.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If I had a vote I'd go with McCoy.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Bradford for me

[OleMissCub]

Ole Miss is obviously much improved(though those rankings are a bit skewed by a much weaker SEC this year), but Mizzou put them away in 2 quarters last year on the road.

 

Isn't that a contrary statement? You say Ole Miss is much improved this year and then refer to last year to prove a point about a game that would be played today?

 

Ole Miss sucked ASS in 2007 man. They were outscored by opponents last year by 134 points. This year they were outscored by only 19 points.

 

The difference in the 07 and 08 Rebs is night and day and the personnel has either completely changed at major positions (QB, RB, DL) or has vastly matured and is under a hugely superior coaching staff.

[manbearcub]

Would vote for Bradford...hoping Greene makes the top 5 and is a finalist.

[UMFan83]

Cinci and Hawaii tied at 10 in the 3rd. What did Meph say the importance of this game was?

[manbearcub]

Could we have another split title this year? ie. Texas or FLA being ranked second and left out and the 3rd ranked team winning the BCS. Edited December 7, 2008 by manbearcub

[dew1679666265]

Cinci and Hawaii tied at 10 in the 3rd. What did Meph say the importance of this game was?

 

Hawaii winning is part of the process to get Florida into the BCS title game.

 

No idea how, but that's what Meph is saying.

[OleMissCub]

I'd also like to add that if this hypothetical game were played right now, one of the guys who would be playing for this years team but not last years is sophomore d-lineman Jerrell Powe. He didn't play until the last few games and only had 7 tackles, but 3.5 were tackles for loss.

[imb]

If I had a vote I'd go with McCoy.

 

I don't think anyone on texas' offense would start at OU. I have to give it to mccoy, too.

[dew1679666265]

It'd be closer than the previous two years, but I don't think the personnel is different enough, even in conjunction with the coaching change, to change the outcome. I think Mizzou would outscore them, something like 45-28 or 45-31.

 

That's absurd. Not a big enough difference? I'd say Jevan Snead is a pretty MASSIVE difference just in himself. Our QB last year rated damn near dead last. Snead is ranked 3rd this year in the SEC only behind Tebow and Stafford and was leading the conference in TD passes before tonight.

 

Our rushing offense was 11th in the SEC last year and 3rd this year thanks in large part to two freshman, one with 441 rushing yards (Brandon Bolden with 5.1 ypc) and the other with 222.

 

Offense:

 

2007: 12th (dead last) in SEC

2008: 4th

 

Defense:

 

2007: 11th

2008: 4th (led the SEC in sacks)

 

I didn't say it wouldn't be any difference, I said I didn't think it would be enough. Ole Miss is obviously much improved(though those rankings are a bit skewed by a much weaker SEC this year), but Mizzou put them away in 2 quarters last year on the road.

 

The final margin in last year's game was 13 points. You say this year's Ole Miss team is "much improved" and Missouri is worse than last year, and yet, your final margin in this year's hypothetical game is 14-17.

 

Nutt and Snead, along with close to vast improvements through most of the rest of the team, would be enough to make the game a tossup - not a near blowout for Mizzou.

 

I'm not sure who would win, but it'd be much closer than 14-17.

[imb]

the real ignominy of the thing is going to be when i tune in tomorrow night and the national championship is texas vs florida

[Mephistopheles]

Cinci and Hawaii tied at 10 in the 3rd. What did Meph say the importance of this game was?

 

In the Colley Ranings this would actually swap Oklahoma and Florida.

 

If Cincy wins

1. Oklahoma

2. Texas

3. Florida

 

If Hawaii wins

1. Florida

2. Texas

3. Oklahoma

 

This is a possible scenario where OU MIGHT get left out, though that's unlikely. If Hawaii wins, Florida is in no matter what. The reason? It hurts OU, because they have a win over Cincy. It hurts UT because they have a win over OU, which means they have a second level win over Cincy (which most of the computers look at).

 

Alternatively, it also gives Florida a second level win over Cincy, since they beat Hawaii...and improves their SOS because Hawaii knocks off, what the computer thinks, a top fifteen team.

 

Hawaii is now up 17-10

[OleMissCub]

 

I didn't say it wouldn't be any difference, I said I didn't think it would be enough. Ole Miss is obviously much improved(though those rankings are a bit skewed by a much weaker SEC this year), but Mizzou put them away in 2 quarters last year on the road.

 

The final margin in last year's game was 13 points. You say this year's Ole Miss team is "much improved" and Missouri is worse than last year, and yet, your final margin in this year's hypothetical game is 14-17.

 

Nutt and Snead, along with close to vast improvements through most of the rest of the team, would be enough to make the game a tossup - not a near blowout for Mizzou.

 

I'm not sure who would win, but it'd be much closer than 14-17.

 

I don't get the 14-17 point differential thing either. The worst Ole Miss got outscored in a game all year was by 7 and that was in a game with South Carolina where the Rebs had 4 turnovers including a fumble on their 6 yard line.

[Outshined_One]

An at-large has never been in a BCS National Championship. If Texas get in, I can only imagine the backlash.

[Mephistopheles]

FWIW RE: Heisman

 

Tim Tebow does NOT have the numbers that McCoy or Bradford has. However, he gets no numbers from running the option. The Big XII QBs run a lot of screens. Is there any reading on a screen? No not really. Tebows backs are average 8 yards a carry because of Tebows decision making on the speed and read options. These are Floridas screens. In reality, they DO close the gap between Tebow and the others statistically.

 

That being said, Tebow has more playmaker than McCoy or Bradford, so you have to give them the award. It's not because they have better "real" numbers. They dont.

[Mephistopheles]

Hawaii got the ball inside the 20 on a pick going into the fourth quarter.

[Mephistopheles]

Touchdown Hawaii 24-10

[CubInOK]

An at-large has never been in a BCS National Championship. If Texas get in, I can only imagine the backlash.

Nebraska in 2001 and Oklahoma in 2003 were both at-larges.

[Mephistopheles]

Alright. In order for Oklahoma to get left out of the title game this is what needs to happen:

 

1. Cincy has to lose, 24-10 Hawaii 11:30 left and Cincy about to punt

2. OU can't jump UT in the human polls.

3. OU needs to lose three spots in the computers, relative to Texas

 

2 of those spots are in the colley poll already (that poll is not currently one of the rankings being dropped for texas or oklahoma). so can they gain one or two more in the other polls? it remains to be seen. i'd say there is a 20% or so that happens.

 

If OU does make jumps on UT in the human polls, then UT needs a bit more gains in the computers, which they may get.

 

If Hawaii wins, there's no chance that UF is left out.

 

I'd say this:

 

Cincy Wins:

60% UF vs OU

40% UT vs OU

OU #1 in both scenarios

 

Hawaii Wins:

80% OU vs UF

20% UT vs UF

OU #1 40%. UF #1 60%

 

Its going to be interesting.

[Mephistopheles]

cincy just pick six'd on a tipped ball

24-17, Hawaii

[Outshined_One]

An at-large has never been in a BCS National Championship. If Texas get in, I can only imagine the backlash.

Nebraska in 2001 and Oklahoma in 2003 were both at-larges.

 

Ahhhhhhhh, I mis-read those entries online! Dangit, I can't believe I forgot those two.

[Mephistopheles]

Hawaii is trying to give them the game.