College Football - Championship Week

[Mephistopheles]

what the hell just happened

 

lmao this is an ugly fourth quarter.

[Mephistopheles]

and its getting uglier by the minute.

 

29-24 cincy with 4:42 left.

[Mephistopheles]

Hawaii just got flagged for holding on a touchback.

 

10 yard line down by five.

[Mephistopheles]

theyve promptly run three plays for -8 yards and are punting from the 2 yard line.

 

ugggly game.

[imb]

postgame high has ended, now im sick to my stomach thinking about what happens when florida blows us out

[Mephistopheles]

postgame high has ended, now im sick to my stomach thinking about what happens when texas blows us out

 

fixed

[imb]

postgame high has ended, now im sick to my stomach thinking about what happens when texas blows us out

 

fixed

 

im gonna be in a movie tomorrow when the bowls are announced, so a friend of mine is going to have to text me the results. if we get texas, i might have to start jacking off in the theater ala peewee herman because we will rape texas anally

[Mephistopheles]

youll know you're answer before that. youll know your answer nearly as soon as sagarin is published, and certainly when the coaches and harris polls are out, not sure if theyll withhold those until the tv show. theyre usually out around noon cst

[snoodmonger]

well there are two reasons for that comment.

 

1. Mizzou has no pass defense. They gave up 40 and 42 to the Illini and Kansas. Snead's a much better QB than Reesing and Juice.

 

2. You were predicting 40 points for Mizzou. The only way they get to forty against that defense is if the game is a quick pace game....meaning Ole Miss gets a ton of possessions too and they also score a ton of points.

 

Pace of game matters. See OU

 

Don't be hating on Reesing, son. He's a damn good college QB.

[Mephistopheles]

One BCS poll in already.

 

Sagarin:

Last Week:

1. Oklahoma

2. Texas

3. Texas Tech

4. Alabama

5. Utah

6. Florida

 

This Week:

1. Oklahoma

2. Texas

3. Texas Tech

4. Florida

5. Utah

6. Alabama

 

What I said earlier about the Sagarin for the UF/UT decision.

 

In order for Florida to pass Texas, they're going to have to move into fourth place in either the Sagarin, Wolfe or Massey polls and move into third in one of the other two. As we've seen that's not a very likely outcome - at all. Sorry doomsayers, Florida's not jumping Texas if Texas can stay ahead of Oklahoma in half the polls.

 

What I projected for BCS

Harris Poll and Coaches Poll

0.969180328 Florida

0.960000000 Oklahoma

0.950819672 Texas

 

 

AH RB CM KM JS PW School

23 24 23 21 21 20 Florida

25 25 25 25 25 25 Oklahoma

22 23 24 23 24 24 Texas

 

.9733 Oklahoma

.9472 Texas

.9395 Florida

 

Now we're looking at:

 

.9733 Oklahoma

.9472 Texas

.9428 Florida

 

What Florida needs:

1. 2750 Harris Points (basically the magic number here is over 50 first place votes)

2. 1480 Coaches Points (basically the magic number here is over 25 first place votes)

3. Gain one more spot than I've shown thus far in the BCS computers. To do that, they need to go to either #2 in AH, or #4 in KM or PW. OR have Texas remain below Alabama in RB. If two of those happen, then Florida needs about five less first place votes in the harris and a couple less in the coaches. If three happen, then Florida's a virtual lock.

[Guest]

god mizzous defense is terrible.

 

it doesn't help that they are playing against the best offense in the history of college football

 

TOUCHDOWN OU!

24-7

 

Its too bad that the reality is that they may not even be the best offense this season. florida's could be better. in all likelihood, you have to consider them equal. you can't say one is better than the other for certain.

 

my bad. STATISTICALLY, they are the best offense of all time

 

I'd take the 2005 USC offense.

[Guest]

USC vs. Oklahoma would be a great game, you know, had the overrated trojans not lost to oregon state

 

I thought this was the worst USC team since 2001. They are still really good though.

 

agreed, there worst offense in many years. Sanchez is just not a great QB. He has great tools, just hasn't put them all together.

 

Sanchez is better than Booty. This team is better than the USC teams of the last two years. It's not even close.

 

No doubt. This USC version is easily the best since the Leinart-Bush halcyon days.

 

Yeah. The offense isn't lose to the Leinart-Bush teams but this years defense is absolutely sick.

[Flames24Rulz]

I would absolutely love to see the title game be Oklahoma-Texas. I'm not really buying it Meph, but you seem pretty sure about this, so we'll see.

[CubbieBum]

I would absolutely love to see the title game be Oklahoma-Texas. I'm not really buying it Meph, but you seem pretty sure about this, so we'll see.

 

I think people are underestimating the voters bias. Voters will see this possibility and vote to not allow it to happen. If any SEC coach didn't have Florida No. 1 already (probably most since they would have had Alabama) they will now and I think many of the other coaches will put Florida ahead of Texas to ensure there can't be a Big XII national title game (isn't a conference championship game supposed to prevent this but that's beating a dead horse).

 

We've seen crazy voting in the final week before and with the Big XII match up possibility I will be very surprised to not see a whole lot of people all of a sudden have Florida jump Texas in there ballot.

[Guest]

you do that. i never said otherwise. but dont use points. im only saying that the game was closer than the score indicated, as far as predicative value. didnt say it closed the entire gap. i said whatever gapped remained was closed by snead and nutt and the development of the team this year...coupled with mizzou falling apart.

 

You're also factoring in what the Ole Miss offense did against Missouri's second team defense, which I'm guessing Missouri likely threw out there for a while in that game.

[Guest]

I would absolutely love to see the title game be Oklahoma-Texas. I'm not really buying it Meph, but you seem pretty sure about this, so we'll see.

 

I think people are underestimating the voters bias. Voters will see this possibility and vote to not allow it to happen. If any SEC coach didn't have Florida No. 1 already (probably most since they would have had Alabama) they will now and I think many of the other coaches will put Florida ahead of Texas to ensure there can't be a Big XII national title game (isn't a conference championship game supposed to prevent this but that's beating a dead horse).

 

We've seen crazy voting in the final week before and with the Big XII match up possibility I will be very surprised to not see a whole lot of people all of a sudden have Florida jump Texas in there ballot.

 

Yup. We saw it happen two years ago with Florida jumping Michigan. If a voter wants to decrease Texas' chances of getting to the title game, he'll put Florida in the top spot and Oklahoma second, with Texas either third or fourth behind USC.

[Guest]

 

I didn't say it wouldn't be any difference, I said I didn't think it would be enough. Ole Miss is obviously much improved(though those rankings are a bit skewed by a much weaker SEC this year), but Mizzou put them away in 2 quarters last year on the road.

 

The final margin in last year's game was 13 points. You say this year's Ole Miss team is "much improved" and Missouri is worse than last year, and yet, your final margin in this year's hypothetical game is 14-17.

 

Nutt and Snead, along with close to vast improvements through most of the rest of the team, would be enough to make the game a tossup - not a near blowout for Mizzou.

 

I'm not sure who would win, but it'd be much closer than 14-17.

 

I don't get the 14-17 point differential thing either. The worst Ole Miss got outscored in a game all year was by 7 and that was in a game with South Carolina where the Rebs had 4 turnovers including a fumble on their 6 yard line.

 

What's more indicative of how that game went - the part where Missouri outscored Ole Miss 35-7 in the first 31:12 of the game or the part where Ole Miss outscored Missouri 18-3 after Missouri went ahead 35-7? If you don't think Missouri could have scored 60 in that game if they had wanted to run it up you're crazy.

[Derwood]

1. Meph taking statistics out of the context of the game (re: Missouri vs. Ole Miss) is either hilarious or frightening

 

2. The human polls will make for a Florida/OU title game. It's what everyone has talked about for a week, and the voters aren't robots; they'll vote the way everyone has told them to

[Vanilla Ice]

T_T hasn't watched a single Ole Miss game this season. Don't expect him to notice that.

gotta love Meph breaking out the "watch the games" argument.

 

sweet victory

[Mephistopheles]

Did you read the thread (answer: no). I wasn't making the watching the games argument. I was making the argument that T_T was completely ignorant to the way Mississippi produced on offense this year, considering he made the point that there was very little personnel changes, but failed to know that the three biggest offensive performers for Ole Miss were either in high school or red shirting.

[OleMissCub]

 

I didn't say it wouldn't be any difference, I said I didn't think it would be enough. Ole Miss is obviously much improved(though those rankings are a bit skewed by a much weaker SEC this year), but Mizzou put them away in 2 quarters last year on the road.

 

The final margin in last year's game was 13 points. You say this year's Ole Miss team is "much improved" and Missouri is worse than last year, and yet, your final margin in this year's hypothetical game is 14-17.

 

Nutt and Snead, along with close to vast improvements through most of the rest of the team, would be enough to make the game a tossup - not a near blowout for Mizzou.

 

I'm not sure who would win, but it'd be much closer than 14-17.

 

I don't get the 14-17 point differential thing either. The worst Ole Miss got outscored in a game all year was by 7 and that was in a game with South Carolina where the Rebs had 4 turnovers including a fumble on their 6 yard line.

 

What's more indicative of how that game went - the part where Missouri outscored Ole Miss 35-7 in the first 31:12 of the game or the part where Ole Miss outscored Missouri 18-3 after Missouri went ahead 35-7? If you don't think Missouri could have scored 60 in that game if they had wanted to run it up you're crazy.

 

I wouldn't have been surprised if Mizzou had scored 100 in that game. I was there. I've basically been saying that this whole thread.

 

Now....Do you even remotely understand what I'm getting at or what my entire argument is??

 

The team that got destroyed by Mizzou in 2007 is not even close to being the same team that beat Florida and damn near beat Alabama in 2008. It isn't close in personnel, experience, coaching, etc. Look it:

 

Offense

2007: 91st

2008: 38th

 

Defense

2007: 88th

2008: 16th

 

So WHY are you bringing up last year as indicative of what any score would be? If they played right now, I have no doubt that Mizzou would score a good amount of points in that game, but so would Ole Miss. Our defense is ranked 16th in the nation and Mizzou is ranked 92nd.

 

Ole Miss just put up 45 unanswered points against the 39th defense (MSU) in the country and the week before that put up 31 points against the 37th defense (LSU). They scored 28 points against the 19th defense (Wake) and 31 points against the 7th ranked defense (Florida).

 

Let's look at who Missouri beat up on this year: Illinois (56th defense), Nevada (91st), Buffalo (94th), Nebraska (67th), Colorado (79th), Baylor (87th), Kansas State (118th), Iowa State (112th).

 

Other than Texas (ranked 50th), Mizzou didn't play a single defense rated in the top 50. Ole Miss played four Top 20 defenses and overall played eight Top 50 teams.

[shnsajax]

What time is the BCS announcement?

[dew1679666265]

What time is the BCS announcement?

 

8 p.m. on Fox

 

It'll be leaked earlier, though, I'm sure.

[Mephistopheles]

if the poll are released prior to it, then we should have a pretty clear indication then

[shnsajax]

What time is the BCS announcement?

 

8 p.m. on Fox

 

It'll be leaked earlier, though, I'm sure.

 

I'm having a hard time remembering, but it seemed like the human polls don't even release early today. I won't be home till 7, so 8 works out well for me :-).