Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

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let's lock up this ted danson character

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Even Peavy is frustrated that the deal couldn't get done. (according to rotoworld anyway) I should've known not to get excited about the Cubs after all these years, but I guess I just can't help it.

 

I know it's not, but I'm praying this is just a negotiating tactic by Hendry to get Towers to realize he's between a rock and a hard place, and that he needs to deal Peavy for the players Hendry was willing to give up. :pig:

[cubsfan26]

It's not a negotiating tactic by Hendry, he wants Peavy but not at the expensive of hurting his roster. I'm sure Hendry still wants Peavy alot, and if Towers calls back he will listen. But the Padres are gonna have to lower their demands. It sounds like Towers either wants 2-3 stud prospects with a average player or two, or one stud prospect with 4-5 pretty good prospects, and a average prospect or two. With Peavy only willing to go to very few teams, and his 5y 81m plus contract and full-no trade. Nobody is gonna give up that type of package to get him. Even Peavy and his agent are saying the Padres need to be more reasonable with their demands. I wonder if their has ever been a trade that has worked out when a team sent 6-7 players for 1? We will see if the Padres come crawling back or not. If they don't it's not the end of the world were still a 90 win plus team, and we will still be in the playoffs IMO.

[killthegoat06]

It's not a negotiating tactic by Hendry, he wants Peavy but not at the expensive of hurting his roster. I'm sure Hendry still wants Peavy alot, and if Towers calls back he will listen. But the Padres are gonna have to lower their demands. It sounds like Towers either wants 2-3 stud prospects with a average player or two, or one stud prospect with 4-5 pretty good prospects, and a average prospect or two. With Peavy only willing to go to very few teams, and his 5y 81m plus contract and full-no trade. Nobody is gonna give up that type of package to get him. Even Peavy and his agent are saying the Padres need to be more reasonable with their demands. I wonder if their has ever been a trade that has worked out when a team sent 6-7 players for 1? We will see if the Padres come crawling back or not. If they don't it's not the end of the world were still a 90 win plus team, and we will still be in the playoffs IMO.

I'm not saying Peavy is the difference b/w WS or no WS, but I don't think anyone here is satisfied with being in the playoffs.

[nilodnayr]

This blows. God forbid the Cubs trade a slightly above average 2B and spare parts for a Cy Young Award winner.

 

especially when they had a trade in place without giving him up

[davearm2]

This blows. God forbid the Cubs trade a slightly above average 2B and spare parts for a Cy Young Award winner.

 

especially when they had a trade in place without giving him up

Hey let's not go pretending like we know what exactly was in that offer.

 

I'm certain there's plenty of he-said she-said going on here, but what both the Cubs and especially Axelrod are putting out there now is that the Pads were being completely unreasonable.

 

I'd hate to see what completely unreasonable looks like with no DeRosa involved.

[robnail]

According to what I've been reading, the major hang-up was the Cubs' refusal to eat more than $4 million of Marquis' contract. If what I'm reading is true, and I concede it may not be, then I think every Cub fan has a right to be upset. If true, this would indicate that the unstable ownership situation was--as rumored--the deal's undoing, and that The Trib is bending us all over once again, in a uniquely uncomfortable way, before heading out the door.

 

Even if the Cubs were required to give up a gluttonous goody bag of prospects (we all know how well our prospects have turned out in recent years, puzzling anomalies wearing catcher's masks excluded) and too many tight-sphinctered utility men coming off career years, then I still can't comfortably live with turning away one of the best pitchers in the game, a guy who specifically said he wanted to play in Wrigley Field. When these kinds of situations arise in other cities, the deals get done. Even Cincinnati, for God's sake, made things happen in order to welcome a Hall of Famer who wanted to come home. Sure, that particular situation never resulted in a championship, and this one probably wouldn't have either, but damned if the Cubs do not owe it to their fans to give such gambles a shot.

 

Before I go, please forgive me for not dropping to my hands and knees to offer thanks for Alfonso Soriano, an overpaid Sosa disciple who isn't worth near the amount his contact is paying (hence the reality that this overgrown child is truly the only top-shelf free agent signing that Hendry and/or the Trib haven't bungled). Oh, and I'm not going to grovel and give thanks to Tribune for either of our last two "star" managers. One was opposed to "clogging the bases" with walks and the other has been embarassed by the opposing manager in each of the last two playoff series. And let's not forget the drooling CEO, who called in a priest and risked knocking over a delicate mental house of cards to which the second of "star" managers had devoted his tenure to building with painstaking precision.

 

And please, folks, face it once and for all: the A's gave Harden away. Man, he really showed up when we need him in Game 3, didn't he? He's another Prior, nothing less and certainly nothing more. Sure, maybe we can get a freak year out him and ride his arm to a division title, but when the chips are down, who in the world can provide a convincing argument that he won't melt down?

 

Any Cubs fan who isn't celebrating the Tribune's imminent departure from our baseball lives (along with the failed corporation's epic collapese) is an idiot. Period. Did I mention Greg Maddux? Blame it on Larry Himes and you get slapped. Think Steinbrenner would have let that go down?

[nilodnayr]

This blows. God forbid the Cubs trade a slightly above average 2B and spare parts for a Cy Young Award winner.

 

especially when they had a trade in place without giving him up

Hey let's not go pretending like we know what exactly was in that offer.

 

I'm certain there's plenty of he-said she-said going on here, but what both the Cubs and especially Axelrod are putting out there now is that the Pads were being completely unreasonable.

 

I'd hate to see what completely unreasonable looks like with no DeRosa involved.

 

all i know is that derosas name popped up way late in the peavy talks

[cubsfan26]

It's not a negotiating tactic by Hendry, he wants Peavy but not at the expensive of hurting his roster. I'm sure Hendry still wants Peavy alot, and if Towers calls back he will listen. But the Padres are gonna have to lower their demands. It sounds like Towers either wants 2-3 stud prospects with a average player or two, or one stud prospect with 4-5 pretty good prospects, and a average prospect or two. With Peavy only willing to go to very few teams, and his 5y 81m plus contract and full-no trade. Nobody is gonna give up that type of package to get him. Even Peavy and his agent are saying the Padres need to be more reasonable with their demands. I wonder if their has ever been a trade that has worked out when a team sent 6-7 players for 1? We will see if the Padres come crawling back or not. If they don't it's not the end of the world were still a 90 win plus team, and we will still be in the playoffs IMO.

I'm not saying Peavy is the difference b/w WS or no WS, but I don't think anyone here is satisfied with being in the playoffs.

 

 

None of us are, but I think most of us feel the playoffs are a crapshoot, and the team we have right now was more then good enough to win in the postseason last year, and will be good enough to win in the postseason next year.

Edited December 12, 2008 by cubsfan26

[cubsfan26]

According to what I've been reading, the major hang-up was the Cubs' refusal to eat more than $4 million of Marquis' contract. If what I'm reading is true, and I concede it may not be, then I think every Cub fan has a right to be upset. If true, this would indicate that the unstable ownership situation was--as rumored--the deal's undoing, and that The Trib is bending us all over once again, in a uniquely uncomfortable way, before heading out the door.

 

 

It's not only the money issue, most of it had to do with getting rid of all our team depth, and trade pieces for one player. I'm sure paying most of Marquis contract was another factor, but the main factor was the amount of talent we had to give up, and how much it weakens our team overall.

[tfarks]

I could see Towers coming back to the Cubs to revive this, but since there was likely a 3rd team involved, if not a 4th it will be extremely tough to get done. Its a shame but lets wait till the Cubs sign Bradley/keep looking for suitors for Marquis/and Hendry peruses the offers for DeRosa allowing him to focus entirely on Peavy. Peavy and Axelrod being so pissed as well as the payroll cap Towers has, and the talks so far, I just don't see it being dead. Just put on the backburner. Some may disagree that this should be pushed aside, but whether you agree with Hendry's priorities or not, it may just well work out.

[Guest]

Towers is in a PR mess and really needs to get some return to appease the fanbase I would think. Unfortunately for him, the one team he can deal with has nothing to offer. He may have had a couple angles here - first try and use the Cub fanbase as leverage against Hendry - pressure him into a deal. second - give the appearance to Peavy that a deal to the Cubs is unworkable and hope Jake changes his mind and accepts a trade elsewhere rather than returning to the Padres.

[BCVM22]

I need to wean myself from checking this thread every few minutes.

[davearm2]

This blows. God forbid the Cubs trade a slightly above average 2B and spare parts for a Cy Young Award winner.

 

especially when they had a trade in place without giving him up

Hey let's not go pretending like we know what exactly was in that offer.

 

I'm certain there's plenty of he-said she-said going on here, but what both the Cubs and especially Axelrod are putting out there now is that the Pads were being completely unreasonable.

 

I'd hate to see what completely unreasonable looks like with no DeRosa involved.

 

all i know is that derosas name popped up way late in the peavy talks

And that proves what?

[The Other 15]

LAS VEGAS -- Padres star pitcher Jake Peavy is "frustrated'' by the team's inability to trade him after threatening to do so for months and "shaken'' over the Padres' latest failure to deal him to the Cubs after weeks of talks, Peavy's agent Barry Axelrod said.

 

"We tried to cooperate as best we could,'' Axelrod told SI.com in a phone interview. "Frankly, Jake is frustrated now more than ever. And I'm more frustrated than ever.''

 

Trade talks between the Padres and Cubs broke down with Cubs people complaining about the way San Diego was doing business. But if the Cubs are annoyed (and they are, as several Cubs officials expressed annoyance over the Padres continuing push for more players and the media leaks coming from somewhere that were revelatory about which Cubs were being included in potential deals), Peavy is almost as annoyed.

 

Axelrod provided Padres GM Kevin Towers, a close personal friend of Axelrod's, with a list of five teams Peavy would consider; Peavy has a blanket no-trade clause meaning he'd have to approve any trade. The Cubs were thought to be at or near the top of Peavy's five-team preferred list. So were the Braves, and talks with them broke down weeks ago.

 

Axelrod gave Towers guidance with the list of five that also included the Dodgers, Cardinala dn Astros. But he is under no obligation to provide pre-approved lists.

 

"If they come to us with a trade now, we'll consider it. But there won't be any more lists,'' Axelrod said. "No, we're done with that.''

 

After weeks of waiting, Axelrod indicated that Peavy was becoming adjusted to the idea of moving to Chicago to become a Cub, only to have that possibility pulled out from under him in the latest Padre failure.

 

"It's tough. Jake was pretty shaken by it,'' Axelrod said. "He was starting to think about what life was like to be a Chicago Cub, and now that was taken from him.''

 

All in all, Axelrod was by amazed by the utter waste of the Winter Meetings, where only the Yankees, Mets, Mariners and Indians accomplished anything of note.

 

"It's amazing to me how many people can waste time, money and resources, and get nothing done," Axelrod said. "Baseball moved lock, stock and barrel into that town, and absolutely nothing happened."

 

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/hot_stove/posts/31661-agent-peavy-frustrated-with-padres

"If they come to us with a trade now, we'll consider it. But there won't be any more lists,'' Axelrod said. "No, we're done with that.''

In other words, from now on, they're no longer going to pretend to care about what the Padres get as long as they get what they want. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Towers got a dream deal from the Angels and Peavy nixing it just to show Towers his appreciation for the fine work he did in the trade to where he wanted to go.

 

"It's amazing to me how many people can waste time, money and resources, and get nothing done," Axelrod said. "Baseball moved lock, stock and barrel into that town, and absolutely nothing happened."

I love this line as well. these are strange times in baseball. On one hand you get Johan Santana, without half the restrictions that Peavy had, traded for that so so package. Seriously, Carlos Gomez, who may become as good as Willy Tavares, was the center piece of that trade and Towers kept pushing for more for Peavy.

[RedFlash]

"If they come to us with a trade now, we'll consider it. But there won't be any more lists,'' Axelrod said. "No, we're done with that.''

In other words, from now on, they're no longer going to pretend to care about what the Padres get as long as they get what they want. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Towers got a dream deal from the Angels and Peavy nixing it just to show Towers his appreciation for the fine work he did in the trade to where he wanted to go.

 

That's what I'm thinking. I could see Angels offer a deal around Brandon Wood and Nick Adenhart among others to the Padres, and Towers is foaming at the mouth for at the deal and he goes to see if Peavy will waive his NTC, only to watch Peavy reject the trade. It wouldn't surprise me if Peavy/Axelrod tell Towers that it is either the Cubs or he'll stay with the Padres.

[abuck1220]

the cubs will probably be fine w/o peavy in '09, but their '10 rotation could have been tightened up with peavy. if harden is hurt in '09, the cubs likely won't re-sign him/count on him beyond '09. if he's healthy/effective, he may be looking for a big deal which i'm not sure the cubs will want to give him. would have been nice to have z + peavy in your pocket for the next four seasons.

[laurens]

the cubs will probably be fine w/o peavy in '09, but their '10 rotation could have been tightened up with peavy. if harden is hurt in '09, the cubs likely won't re-sign him/count on him beyond '09. if he's healthy/effective, he may be looking for a big deal which i'm not sure the cubs will want to give him. would have been nice to have z + peavy in your pocket for the next four seasons.

 

If Harden's healthy, I'm pretty sure they'll resign him. When he's on point, Harden is one of the best pitchers on the league. He'd be worth the money.

[abuck1220]

the cubs will probably be fine w/o peavy in '09, but their '10 rotation could have been tightened up with peavy. if harden is hurt in '09, the cubs likely won't re-sign him/count on him beyond '09. if he's healthy/effective, he may be looking for a big deal which i'm not sure the cubs will want to give him. would have been nice to have z + peavy in your pocket for the next four seasons.

 

If Harden's healthy, I'm pretty sure they'll resign him. When he's on point, Harden is one of the best pitchers on the league. He'd be worth the money.

 

one healthy season, and you want to give him 4/$48 or something? i kind of want harden for '09 and that's it.

[gflore34]

I'm not so convinced the failure to complete the deal for Peavy is bad. Even had the deal gone down, the Cubs wouldn't have been getting the 2006-2007 Peavy - that Peavy was worth the excess Towers was asking for - not the 2008 Peavy, who I'm also convinced is not 100% healthy.

[laurens]

the cubs will probably be fine w/o peavy in '09, but their '10 rotation could have been tightened up with peavy. if harden is hurt in '09, the cubs likely won't re-sign him/count on him beyond '09. if he's healthy/effective, he may be looking for a big deal which i'm not sure the cubs will want to give him. would have been nice to have z + peavy in your pocket for the next four seasons.

 

If Harden's healthy, I'm pretty sure they'll resign him. When he's on point, Harden is one of the best pitchers on the league. He'd be worth the money.

 

one healthy season, and you want to give him 4/$48 or something? i kind of want harden for '09 and that's it.

 

That's not what I said. I said he'd be worth that money IF he'd remain healthy. If they resign Dempster after one good season, why wouldn't they resign Harden?

[abuck1220]

the cubs will probably be fine w/o peavy in '09, but their '10 rotation could have been tightened up with peavy. if harden is hurt in '09, the cubs likely won't re-sign him/count on him beyond '09. if he's healthy/effective, he may be looking for a big deal which i'm not sure the cubs will want to give him. would have been nice to have z + peavy in your pocket for the next four seasons.

 

If Harden's healthy, I'm pretty sure they'll resign him. When he's on point, Harden is one of the best pitchers on the league. He'd be worth the money.

 

one healthy season, and you want to give him 4/$48 or something? i kind of want harden for '09 and that's it.

 

That's not what I said. I said he'd be worth that money IF he'd remain healthy. If they resign Dempster after one good season, why wouldn't they resign Harden?

 

because he's going to command a huge deal if he stays healthy in '09 and he's very likely to miss a bunch of time during the course of this hypothetical new deal.

[Banedon]

because he's going to command a huge deal if he stays healthy in '09 and he's very likely to miss a bunch of time during the course of this hypothetical new deal.

 

Even if he stays healthy this year, I think any team that signs him is going to have all kinds of performance clauses in whatever contract he signs....Games played specifically...just based on previous history, and the extra rest that he requires. If the Cubs can get him to agree to a clause like that, I'd have no problems with signing him to a decent deal.

[JWCUB]

I'm still not convinced this deal is dead. I think it was a matter of Hendry telling Towers "We can't make this deal now. Let us Get our RF'er and try to trade Marquis. If you get an offer that you like and Peavy agrees too, then go ahead and do it. If not, I will get back to you and see what we can work out."

[laurens]

the cubs will probably be fine w/o peavy in '09, but their '10 rotation could have been tightened up with peavy. if harden is hurt in '09, the cubs likely won't re-sign him/count on him beyond '09. if he's healthy/effective, he may be looking for a big deal which i'm not sure the cubs will want to give him. would have been nice to have z + peavy in your pocket for the next four seasons.

 

If Harden's healthy, I'm pretty sure they'll resign him. When he's on point, Harden is one of the best pitchers on the league. He'd be worth the money.

 

one healthy season, and you want to give him 4/$48 or something? i kind of want harden for '09 and that's it.

 

That's not what I said. I said he'd be worth that money IF he'd remain healthy. If they resign Dempster after one good season, why wouldn't they resign Harden?

 

because he's going to command a huge deal if he stays healthy in '09 and he's very likely to miss a bunch of time during the course of this hypothetical new deal.

 

You're right, he's gonna ask too much. I'd love to have him though, but with his injury history... I wouldn't take the risk for that much money. I wonder if Hendry would?