Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[brinoch]

Guys, it's Rule 5. Not Rule V.

 

V is the Roman numeral for 5. I've never heard anyone pronounce it as Rule V. Stop being Kyle.

 

Except that using V is incorrect. When you make a reference to a document, as this does, you cite the section correctly. In this case, this is Rule 5 of the Collective bargaining agreement. It's a specific reference -- Rule 5. The Amateur Draft is Rule 4, FYI.

[Jehrico]

I think you've misinterpreted what I was trying to convey. I don't blame Hendry for not getting Roberts. My point was he wasted the entire offseason going after a guy he really wanted, and when all was said and done, he didn't get his man.

 

This offseason has the potential for the same thing to happen. Hendry has back up plans in place if a Peavy deal doesn't go down. It just has to be frustrating for Hendry to spend all that time haggling a deal and then nothing comes from it.

 

I'm certainly not saying Hendry should bend. And I don't blame Hendry for not getting Roberts. In fact, I'd rather Hendry detour whenever MacPhail starts in his general direction. I'm no fan of any of the Baltimore/Cubs dealings.

What did we lose out on last offseason by chasing Roberts though? Roberts was a want, not a need. It didn't cause us to go into ST with a major hole in our lineup. It sure didn't hurt us going into the regular season. If we would have had a major hole that didn't get filled because he played around all off-season, I could see the criticism, but that wasn't the case. He was comfortable that we had a pretty good team without Roberts, but was willing to keep working on any deal that would have improved the club nonetheless. I see nothing wrong with that. The only thing that was lost in that whole scenario was that Hendry wasted time that he could have otherwise spent golfing or eating or something.

[JWCUB]

11:30am: Towers still hasn't heard back from Hendry on the Peavy deal. Ken Rosenthal says eight to ten teams have called on DeRosa, adding the A's to the mix of known suitors.

[BigbadB]

It's damn frustrating when you have a chance to trade for one of the best pitchers in all of baseball for half the money Sabathia is getting and can't get it done..When they were close last year and had the team to do it and this move that could probably put them over the top and can't get anything done because of $$$..This team is always will be and has been about money thats why it's been losing for so long..I don't get what a couple million dollars in all this matters. A couple mil is nothing in baseball. I know nothing is official yet, but it isn't looking too good.

 

 

Relax.

 

The Cubs have the leverage here and it looks like they're using it as they should. Jesus.

Thank you! I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought Hendry is actually playing it smart.

 

Oh geez.

[David]

It's damn frustrating when you have a chance to trade for one of the best pitchers in all of baseball for half the money Sabathia is getting and can't get it done..When they were close last year and had the team to do it and this move that could probably put them over the top and can't get anything done because of $$$..This team is always will be and has been about money thats why it's been losing for so long..I don't get what a couple million dollars in all this matters. A couple mil is nothing in baseball. I know nothing is official yet, but it isn't looking too good.

 

 

Relax.

 

The Cubs have the leverage here and it looks like they're using it as they should. Jesus.

Thank you! I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought Hendry is actually playing it smart.

 

 

I think most reasonable posters are in agreement.

[Jehrico]

It's damn frustrating when you have a chance to trade for one of the best pitchers in all of baseball for half the money Sabathia is getting and can't get it done..When they were close last year and had the team to do it and this move that could probably put them over the top and can't get anything done because of $$$..This team is always will be and has been about money thats why it's been losing for so long..I don't get what a couple million dollars in all this matters. A couple mil is nothing in baseball. I know nothing is official yet, but it isn't looking too good.

 

 

Relax.

 

The Cubs have the leverage here and it looks like they're using it as they should. Jesus.

Thank you! I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought Hendry is actually playing it smart.

 

Oh geez.

Well, not the only one. Definitely in the minority. I was interpreting your stance a little farther out than it was. The constant moaning about this not being done is more frustrating than the fact that it's not done yet.

Edited December 11, 2008 by Jehrico

[UMFan83]

Guys, it's Rule 5. Not Rule V.

 

V is the Roman numeral for 5. I've never heard anyone pronounce it as Rule V. Stop being Kyle.

 

Except that using V is incorrect. When you make a reference to a document, as this does, you cite the section correctly. In this case, this is Rule 5 of the Collective bargaining agreement. It's a specific reference -- Rule 5. The Amateur Draft is Rule 4, FYI.

 

True. It does look weird to call it the Rule V when its the Rule 5. It's not like when people ask how many HRs Soriano hit last year they respond XXIX interchangeably with 29. I wonder why Rule V has been misused so much.

[davearm2]

11:30am: Towers still hasn't heard back from Hendry on the Peavy deal. Ken Rosenthal says eight to ten teams have called on DeRosa, adding the A's to the mix of known suitors.

This is a new wrinkle that's been overlooked.

 

If DeRosa's available, then there becomes a lot of additional legwork to do finding the best deal for him. That's going to take some time.

[BigbadB]

Well, not the only one. Definitely in the minority. I was interpreting your stance a little farther out than it was. The constant moaning about this not being done is more frustrating than the fact that it's not done yet.

 

A few pages back (probably several now), I pointed out that the only Padres leverage is Peavy himself, and that any and all other leverage belongs to Hendry and he's holding his ground, which he should.

[BleacherBadger]

Guys, it's Rule 5. Not Rule V.

 

V is the Roman numeral for 5. I've never heard anyone pronounce it as Rule V. Stop being Kyle.

 

Except that using V is incorrect. When you make a reference to a document, as this does, you cite the section correctly. In this case, this is Rule 5 of the Collective bargaining agreement. It's a specific reference -- Rule 5. The Amateur Draft is Rule 4, FYI.

 

True. It does look weird to call it the Rule V when its the Rule 5. It's not like when people ask how many HRs Soriano hit last year they respond XXIX interchangeably with 29. I wonder why Rule V has been misused so much.

 

Haha, whoever was talking about drinking games a day or two ago, that would be a great rule. Can't say numbers, must refer in roman numerals.

[davearm2]

With all the hand-wringing going on right now, it seems a good time to remind everyone that the principals to this deal were saying way back on Tuesday that nothing would be finished on this until after the Rule 5 draft.

 

So nobody should be surprised that things are still unresolved.

[SCCubbieFAN]

would any of you approve DeRo for Hermidia straight up, or should the Cubs get more than just Hermidia for DeRo?

[RyneDawson]

DeRosa is not gonna get us anyone that will be of any value to the current team. No one is gonna give up a ton for 1 year of an above average 2B. DeRosa should only be used in a trade for Peavy. DeRosa will net us prospects from other teams and that's it. We need to send those prospects to SD. He's not gonna get us anyone who can contribute this year, so why bother?

[BigbadB]

The constant moaning about this not being done is more frustrating than the fact that it's not done yet.

 

This is nothing new. You have a bunch of people who would like nothing more than to be here and share in the excitement of an announcement at the moment it happens. The longer it takes, the longer people are here killing time waiting for something to happen and the more frustrating it gets.

 

It's like having a guy at 3rd base with no one out in a tie game in the 9th inning. Later in the inning, the runner is still on 3rd base and there are two outs and 2 strikes after a couple of pitching changes.

[Roast]

The constant moaning about this not being done is more frustrating than the fact that it's not done yet.

 

This is nothing new. You have a bunch of people who would like nothing more than to be here and share in the excitement of an announcement at the moment it happens. The longer it takes, the longer people are here killing time waiting for something to happen and the more frustrating it gets.

Stop being logical.

 

OFF WITH HENDRY'S HEAD!

[Cubswin11]

Alright the Rule 5 is over, Hendry go lock yourself in a room with Towers and whatever other GM's are needed and don't come out until a deal is finished!!!

[anabiono]

would any of you approve DeRo for Hermidia straight up, or should the Cubs get more than just Hermidia for DeRo?

 

done done and done again...just tell me where to sign

[Jehrico]

DeRosa is not gonna get us anyone that will be of any value to the current team. No one is gonna give up a ton for 1 year of an above average 2B. DeRosa should only be used in a trade for Peavy. DeRosa will net us prospects from other teams and that's it. We need to send those prospects to SD. He's not gonna get us anyone who can contribute this year, so why bother?

That's a pretty bold statement to make. In this market, I think DeRo actually has considerable value. If there's 10 teams that are calling about him, I don't think it's far fetched to think he could get something that could help us on his own. He could help alot of different teams.

[MSG T]

would any of you approve DeRo for Hermidia straight up, or should the Cubs get more than just Hermidia for DeRo?

 

What is their purpose of trading him? Maybe I'm wrong, but it appears he's available with the intent of getting added pieces to send to the Pads.

 

My biggest problem with DeRo/Hermida would be who to put at second w/Fontenot. You'd get improvement at RF, but how far would Font, by himself, dropoff from DeRo. If you could platoon at second( having already identified the who), and equal or exceed DeRo's production, than it would be a pretty good deal. If Fontenot is running out there 150 games a year, it wouldn't look as good.

[YearofDaCubs]

DeRosa is not gonna get us anyone that will be of any value to the current team. No one is gonna give up a ton for 1 year of an above average 2B. DeRosa should only be used in a trade for Peavy. DeRosa will net us prospects from other teams and that's it. We need to send those prospects to SD. He's not gonna get us anyone who can contribute this year, so why bother?

That's a pretty bold statement to make. In this value, I think DeRo actually has considerable value. If there's 10 teams that are calling about him, I don't think it's far fetched to think he could get something that could help us on his own. He could help alot of different teams.

Agreed. Dero is a very good 2B and hold a lot of value. That's the problem though, he also has value to us because I don't think you can replace DeRo with Fontenot and think everything will be ok. I don't think Fontenot's bat is good enough neither his defense to be a full time player.

[shnsajax]

Alright the Rule 5 is over, Hendry go lock yourself in a room with Towers and whatever other GM's are needed and don't come out until a deal is finished!!!

 

Rule V, I don't care

[RynoRules]

DeRosa's value will never be higher than it is now. He's a MIF'er who just had a career season, is turning 34, and will be a FA at the end of the year (IIRC). I like him very much, but it is a great time to get something valuable for him.

[PrimeTime]

Padres selected shortstop Everth Cabrera from the Rockies with the third pick in the Rule 5 draft.

Corey Wimberley was the Rockies infielder most thought might be chosen, but he stayed put. Cabrera swiped 73 bases last season, but he did it in low-A ball. He hit .284/.361/.399 in a very friendly environment for hitters at Asheville. Cabrera strikes out way too much for someone with little power, and he's years away from being capable of handling major league pitching. There's not enough upside here to justify a roster spot.

[PrimeTime]

Pirates selected LHP Donnie Veal from the Cubs with the fourth pick in the Rule 5 draft.

Veal, one of the biggest names available in the draft, is coming off a season in which he went 5-10 with a 4.52 ERA and a 123/81 K/BB ratio in 145 1/3 innings in Double-A. He then walked 13 in 9 1/3 innings in the AFL. The 24-year-old has a very good arm for a left-hander, but he's made very little progress the last couple of years. He'd likely have to be used in a mop-up role if kept in the majors.

[Rusch33]

12:01pm: Kevin Towers told reporters the proposed Peavy deal with the Cubs is dead. The Cubs pulled out.