Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[Schwarber Fan]

Has anyone posted yet that ESPN's bottomline is reporting that the Cubs disputed that the deal is "very close"?

 

Which part of the day are you referring to?

 

Just now, I could have sworn is saw something along these lines go across ESPN's bottomline:

 

"Jayson Stark reports that the Cubs have refuted comments by the Chicago Sun Times that the team is "very close" to acquiring Jake Peavy and is focusing on obtaining a left handed bat and the sale of the team"

That's been there all day.

 

Didn't it say the opposite earlier today, that the Cubs were indeed "very close" to getting him?

[cubswin2009]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-peavyclose120908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

LAS VEGAS – The lone holdup in a deal sending San Diego ace Jake Peavy to the Chicago Cubs is the team’s ability to trade starting pitcher Jason Marquis, a source close to the situation said Tuesday night.

 

The Cubs are trying to offload Marquis and his $9.875 million salary to make room for Peavy’s four-year, $63 million contract, plus a $22 million option in 2013 that would likely need to be exercised for him to drop his no-trade clause.

 

The potential trade, a complicated affair involving a third and perhaps fourth team, would send a handful of prospects back to the rebuilding Padres and ship Cubs utilityman Mark DeRosa to the Phillies. Baltimore has also been involved in the discussions. Whether Marquis would go to Philadelphia, Baltimore, San Diego or, perhaps, another team was unclear.

 

Padres general manager Kevin Towers met with Cubs GM Jim Hendry on Tuesday afternoon, and Towers said he expected to touch base with Hendry as the evening waned to gauge whether the deal would take place.

 

Towers said earlier this week that the Cubs were the only destination for Peavy, the 2007 National League Cy Young winner, and that he’d be the opening-day starter for the Padres were the framework of a deal not in place by the end of the winter meetings.

 

“We’ve made progress,” Towers said. “We’ve still got work. Nothing’s imminent.”

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Has anyone posted yet that ESPN's bottomline is reporting that the Cubs disputed that the deal is "very close"?

 

Which part of the day are you referring to?

 

Just now, I could have sworn is saw something along these lines go across ESPN's bottomline:

 

"Jayson Stark reports that the Cubs have refuted comments by the Chicago Sun Times that the team is "very close" to acquiring Jake Peavy and is focusing on obtaining a left handed bat and the sale of the team"

That's been there all day.

 

Didn't it say the opposite earlier today, that the Cubs were indeed "very close" to getting him?

 

there have been 2 different sides all day. most places are saying a deal is still close. stark's story has been up all day...the one where he says the cubs aren't close.

 

at this point im just paying attention to towers

[mdwilla]

• Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. won't acknowledge that his team is the third club in the Jake Peavy deal. But Amaro came close, saying the Phillies have a deal out there where, "if we can get one or two teams to agree on something, we're ready to move."

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3758577&type=blogEntry

 

Padres are ready to move on this, Philles are ready to move on this, yet where not close. Only holdup is the Cubs at this point. Is it because Marquis isn't in this deal and has to be dealt first?

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it would be kind of comical if marquis' awful ocntract ended up costing us jake peavy 2 years later

[cubsfan26]

• Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. won't acknowledge that his team is the third club in the Jake Peavy deal. But Amaro came close, saying the Phillies have a deal out there where, "if we can get one or two teams to agree on something, we're ready to move."

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3758577&type=blogEntry

 

Padres are ready to move on this, Philles are ready to move on this, yet where not close. Only holdup is the Cubs at this point. Is it because Marquis isn't in this deal and has to be dealt first?

 

 

Yup that sounds like what the issue is, we probably can't fit Peavy in the budget without trading at least a chunk of Marquis contract.

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• Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. won't acknowledge that his team is the third club in the Jake Peavy deal. But Amaro came close, saying the Phillies have a deal out there where, "if we can get one or two teams to agree on something, we're ready to move."

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3758577&type=blogEntry

 

Padres are ready to move on this, Philles are ready to move on this, yet where not close. Only holdup is the Cubs at this point. Is it because Marquis isn't in this deal and has to be dealt first?

 

well it looks like derosa is certainly involed. if the phils were only getting marquis back and had agreed upon it like Amaro says, then there obviously wouldn't the holdup of trying to move marquis.

 

if we give up derosa we better not be giving up marshall too

[NOLA]

FWIW, Ryan Freel just got traded to the O's for Ramon Martinez. Does this have any bearing in this discussion?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3758304

[Schwarber Fan]

FWIW, Ryan Freel just got traded to the O's for Ramon Martinez. Does this have any bearing in this discussion?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3758304

 

Yea, because Ramon Martinez is a Dodger

 

 

 

 

Hernandez ;)

[rawaction]

Ah, James Hendry. Has he not learned his lesson? Let Vlad go elsewhere because he had Alou in the last year of his deal. Let Beltran go elsewhere because he wanted to get rid of Sosa first. Let Tejada go elsewhere, because he had Alex Gonzalez on the last year of his deal. Don't let the same thing happen because of Jason Marquis. Do the deal that's on the table if it is a good deal and worry about Marquis later.

[RyneDawson]

I still don't understand! There are free agents out there like Jamie Moyer who will probably get 7-9 million dollars, and hes 50 years old! Carlos Silva got like 13 million. Yet no one wants 1 year of Marquis for 9 million?? He is better than both those pitchers. And if we ate like 3 or so million that would make him only 6 million. We don't need anything in return!!! The Phillies could really use Marquis as well. I have a feeling that Hendry is just waiting this out to see if he can get someone else to take Marquis where we would only eat a tiny portion of his salary. Whereas maybe the padres or Phillies right now would get Marquis and we'd have to eat like half.

[Cubswin11]

If the Phillies are considering/already have offered Jamie Moyer $10 mil a year I don't see why they wouldn't jump at an offer to get Marquis for $5-7 mil. If Marquis is really the hold up and Hendry has an offer on the table to get Peavy without giving up Marquis he should do it, someone at some point in the offseason is probably going to take on Marquis for a discounted price.

[mdwilla]

Freel gives the orioles options for new leadoff hitter if they decide to trade Roberts :roll: .

 

I don't understand why Marquis can't be moved later in the offseason after more free agents fall off the board .

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Ah, James Hendry. Has he not learned his lesson? Let Vlad go elsewhere because he had Alou in the last year of his deal. Let Beltran go elsewhere because he wanted to get rid of Sosa first. Let Tejada go elsewhere, because he had Alex Gonzalez on the last year of his deal. Don't let the same thing happen because of Jason Marquis. Do the deal that's on the table if it is a good deal and worry about Marquis later.

 

this is why i've been saying that i'm worried about hendry and lou's obsession with adding a pricy lh bat like ibanez/abreu. to add one of those guys and peavy, he pretty much has to trade marquis. i think he's worried about the possibility of trading for peavy, getting stuck with marquis, and then not having enough money to get that bat.

[Moises a loo]

Ah, James Hendry. Has he not learned his lesson? Let Vlad go elsewhere because he had Alou in the last year of his deal. Let Beltran go elsewhere because he wanted to get rid of Sosa first. Let Tejada go elsewhere, because he had Alex Gonzalez on the last year of his deal. Don't let the same thing happen because of Jason Marquis. Do the deal that's on the table if it is a good deal and worry about Marquis later.

 

this is why i've been saying that i'm worried about hendry and lou's obsession with adding a pricy lh bat like ibanez/abreu. to add one of those guys and peavy, he pretty much has to trade marquis. i think he's worried about the possibility of trading for peavy, getting stuck with marquis, and then not having enough money to get that bat.

 

Or he's just not panicking, like some people would.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Ah, James Hendry. Has he not learned his lesson? Let Vlad go elsewhere because he had Alou in the last year of his deal. Let Beltran go elsewhere because he wanted to get rid of Sosa first. Let Tejada go elsewhere, because he had Alex Gonzalez on the last year of his deal. Don't let the same thing happen because of Jason Marquis. Do the deal that's on the table if it is a good deal and worry about Marquis later.

 

So I guess its safe to say that if we didnt do the Dempster deal this would be a done deal by now. If this deal doesnt go down, Dempster better have 4 amazing years. Seriously, the fact that every other free agent pitcher is still out there suggests that Jim could have afforded to wait a bit on the Demp deal.

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Ah, James Hendry. Has he not learned his lesson? Let Vlad go elsewhere because he had Alou in the last year of his deal. Let Beltran go elsewhere because he wanted to get rid of Sosa first. Let Tejada go elsewhere, because he had Alex Gonzalez on the last year of his deal. Don't let the same thing happen because of Jason Marquis. Do the deal that's on the table if it is a good deal and worry about Marquis later.

 

this is why i've been saying that i'm worried about hendry and lou's obsession with adding a pricy lh bat like ibanez/abreu. to add one of those guys and peavy, he pretty much has to trade marquis. i think he's worried about the possibility of trading for peavy, getting stuck with marquis, and then not having enough money to get that bat.

 

Or he's just not panicking, like some people would.

 

i'm not saying that's for sure what is going on... just that that's what i'm worried about.

[rawaction]

Ah, James Hendry. Has he not learned his lesson? Let Vlad go elsewhere because he had Alou in the last year of his deal. Let Beltran go elsewhere because he wanted to get rid of Sosa first. Let Tejada go elsewhere, because he had Alex Gonzalez on the last year of his deal. Don't let the same thing happen because of Jason Marquis. Do the deal that's on the table if it is a good deal and worry about Marquis later.

 

this is why i've been saying that i'm worried about hendry and lou's obsession with adding a pricy lh bat like ibanez/abreu. to add one of those guys and peavy, he pretty much has to trade marquis. i think he's worried about the possibility of trading for peavy, getting stuck with marquis, and then not having enough money to get that bat.

 

I know that's what he's worried about and I think it's stupid. If he could get rid of Sammy Sosa and Todd Hundley, he can get rid of Jason Marquis. If you want to get rid of someone enough, you can do it. Hendry has proven it himself.

[NOLA]

FWIW, Ryan Freel just got traded to the O's for Ramon Martinez. Does this have any bearing in this discussion?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3758304

 

Yea, because Ramon Martinez is a Dodger

 

 

 

 

Hernandez ;)

 

Wow! That's pretty non PC of me. If it really were Ramon Martinez that would be a steal!

[Jehrico]

Ah, James Hendry. Has he not learned his lesson? Let Vlad go elsewhere because he had Alou in the last year of his deal. Let Beltran go elsewhere because he wanted to get rid of Sosa first. Let Tejada go elsewhere, because he had Alex Gonzalez on the last year of his deal. Don't let the same thing happen because of Jason Marquis. Do the deal that's on the table if it is a good deal and worry about Marquis later.

 

So I guess its safe to say that if we didnt do the Dempster deal this would be a done deal by now. If this deal doesnt go down, Dempster better have 4 amazing years. Seriously, the fact that every other free agent pitcher is still out there suggests that Jim could have afforded to wait a bit on the Demp deal.

No, I don't think that's safe to say. Why would Hendry agree to something now and not see if he can whittle him down over the next two days? He isn't competing against any other teams in these negotiations, and time is on his side.

 

Does everyone want Hendry to give up more than he has to just so we can have Peavy on the roster a couple of extra post-season days?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Ah, James Hendry. Has he not learned his lesson? Let Vlad go elsewhere because he had Alou in the last year of his deal. Let Beltran go elsewhere because he wanted to get rid of Sosa first. Let Tejada go elsewhere, because he had Alex Gonzalez on the last year of his deal. Don't let the same thing happen because of Jason Marquis. Do the deal that's on the table if it is a good deal and worry about Marquis later.

 

So I guess its safe to say that if we didnt do the Dempster deal this would be a done deal by now. If this deal doesnt go down, Dempster better have 4 amazing years. Seriously, the fact that every other free agent pitcher is still out there suggests that Jim could have afforded to wait a bit on the Demp deal.

No, I don't think that's safe to say. Why would Hendry agree to something now and not see if he can whittle him down over the next two days? He isn't competing against any other teams in these negotiations, and time is on his side.

 

Does everyone want Hendry to give up more than he has to just so we can have Peavy on the roster a couple of extra post-season days?

 

If the reason that theyre having trouble closing this is due to money, particularly 5 million dollars, than yes, if we hadnt given Dempster 10 mil a year or whatever, there wouldnt be a problem here.

[Jehrico]

Ah, James Hendry. Has he not learned his lesson? Let Vlad go elsewhere because he had Alou in the last year of his deal. Let Beltran go elsewhere because he wanted to get rid of Sosa first. Let Tejada go elsewhere, because he had Alex Gonzalez on the last year of his deal. Don't let the same thing happen because of Jason Marquis. Do the deal that's on the table if it is a good deal and worry about Marquis later.

 

So I guess its safe to say that if we didnt do the Dempster deal this would be a done deal by now. If this deal doesnt go down, Dempster better have 4 amazing years. Seriously, the fact that every other free agent pitcher is still out there suggests that Jim could have afforded to wait a bit on the Demp deal.

No, I don't think that's safe to say. Why would Hendry agree to something now and not see if he can whittle him down over the next two days? He isn't competing against any other teams in these negotiations, and time is on his side.

 

Does everyone want Hendry to give up more than he has to just so we can have Peavy on the roster a couple of extra post-season days?

 

If the reason that theyre having trouble closing this is due to money, particularly 5 million dollars, than yes, if we hadnt given Dempster 10 mil a year or whatever, there wouldnt be a problem here.

I doubt that's the holdup. That's the excuse that's being floated to gain leverage in the negotiations. We don't know for sure they are having problems closing this out.

[AZCub]

• Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. won't acknowledge that his team is the third club in the Jake Peavy deal. But Amaro came close, saying the Phillies have a deal out there where, "if we can get one or two teams to agree on something, we're ready to move."

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3758577&type=blogEntry

 

Padres are ready to move on this, Philles are ready to move on this, yet where not close. Only holdup is the Cubs at this point. Is it because Marquis isn't in this deal and has to be dealt first?

 

well it looks like derosa is certainly involed. if the phils were only getting marquis back and had agreed upon it like Amaro says, then there obviously wouldn't the holdup of trying to move marquis.

 

if we give up derosa we better not be giving up marshall too

 

 

Agreed.

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Ah, James Hendry. Has he not learned his lesson? Let Vlad go elsewhere because he had Alou in the last year of his deal. Let Beltran go elsewhere because he wanted to get rid of Sosa first. Let Tejada go elsewhere, because he had Alex Gonzalez on the last year of his deal. Don't let the same thing happen because of Jason Marquis. Do the deal that's on the table if it is a good deal and worry about Marquis later.

 

this is why i've been saying that i'm worried about hendry and lou's obsession with adding a pricy lh bat like ibanez/abreu. to add one of those guys and peavy, he pretty much has to trade marquis. i think he's worried about the possibility of trading for peavy, getting stuck with marquis, and then not having enough money to get that bat.

 

I know that's what he's worried about and I think it's stupid. If he could get rid of Sammy Sosa and Todd Hundley, he can get rid of Jason Marquis. If you want to get rid of someone enough, you can do it. Hendry has proven it himself.

 

if somebody like raul ibanez ends up costing the cubs peavy this would be the most disastrous offseason ever

[Little Slide Rooter]

The problem is if Hendry is actually trying to get something in return for Marquis. Every GM out there must know that hes trying to dump his salary, so why would they give him anything for him? Marquis is a solid end of the rotation starter, worth the 5 mil a year a team would end up paying him, especially with all of the pitching starved teams out there. If it were possible to make the deal now, and then move Marquis once the free agent pitchers start signing, hed probably have better luck.