Hermida

[Guest]

OMG OMG OMG

 

so, does that mean we are giving up pie in a hermida trade?

 

They might be interested in Pie but they do have Maybin.

[imb]

OMG OMG OMG

 

so, does that mean we are giving up pie in a hermida trade?

 

They might be interested in Pie but they do have Maybin.

 

if they think that pie will turn into a legit CF, i think they would like to have him. maybin's bat should play at a corner, eventually, right?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I like a good deal of what those Dolan rumors were. I wonder what they'd do if they were to trade Lee. Al Yellon had his (really, really terrible) projection/hope for what the '09 roster looked like, and he had a platoon at 1B. Any plus defense platoon bats come to mind for 1B? Maybe the Marlins would give up Jacobs in addition to Hermida? Would Toronto be open to trading Overbay? Nick Johnson? Conor Jackson from the right side(maybe with just Hoffpauir spelling him against tough RHP)? Is Garko available?

[UMFan83]

Al Yellon's solution was terrible.

 

First of all, he thinks you can trade Lee for Matt Cain AND a lefty reliever. Then he decides that they should acquire half of the Baltimore Orioles (and not one of them Brian Roberts). Finally, he suggests trading Cain and others for Ricky Nolasco. Ugh

[Moises a loo]

I like a good deal of what those Dolan rumors were. I wonder what they'd do if they were to trade Lee. Al Yellon had his (really, really terrible) projection/hope for what the '09 roster looked like, and he had a platoon at 1B. Any plus defense platoon bats come to mind for 1B? Maybe the Marlins would give up Jacobs in addition to Hermida? Would Toronto be open to trading Overbay? Nick Johnson? Conor Jackson from the right side(maybe with just Hoffpauir spelling him against tough RHP)? Is Garko available?

 

 

Edmonds has played some first, right? Was he any good? They could pair him up with Rich Aurilia.

[SouthSideRyan]

I like a good deal of what those Dolan rumors were. I wonder what they'd do if they were to trade Lee. Al Yellon had his (really, really terrible) projection/hope for what the '09 roster looked like, and he had a platoon at 1B. Any plus defense platoon bats come to mind for 1B? Maybe the Marlins would give up Jacobs in addition to Hermida? Would Toronto be open to trading Overbay? Nick Johnson? Conor Jackson from the right side(maybe with just Hoffpauir spelling him against tough RHP)? Is Garko available?

 

 

Edmonds has played some first, right? Was he any good? They could pair him up with Rich Aurilia.

 

Rich Aurilia probably shouldn't be playing in the majors next year.

[dew1679666265]

OMG OMG OMG

 

so, does that mean we are giving up pie in a hermida trade?

 

They might be interested in Pie but they do have Maybin.

 

if they think that pie will turn into a legit CF, i think they would like to have him. maybin's bat should play at a corner, eventually, right?

 

Ceda/Pie/Marshall for Hermida/Maybin? =P~

 

Ok, I'm done.

[dew1679666265]

Hermida is no slouch. Dude had a .398 career OBP in the minors. He's shown flashes of what his power could become. Last year he hit .296/.369/.501. A .205 ISOP is pretty solid. And as has been mentioned, he plays in a huge home park. He had a .584 OPS in Florida this year. For his career, his OPS is over 100 points lower at home.

 

If we could pull off a Ceda/arm for Hermida deal, I would consider the offseason a complete success if we only brought back Wood and Dempster otherwise.

 

There's a good chance, though, that Hermida's cheap production would keep us in the running (if we ever were) for a fairly high profile pitching/shortstop addition.

[Cubswin11]

Hermida is no slouch. Dude had a .398 career OBP in the minors. He's shown flashes of what his power could become. Last year he hit .296/.369/.501. A .205 ISOP is pretty solid. And as has been mentioned, he plays in a huge home park. He had a .584 OPS in Florida this year. For his career, his OPS is over 100 points lower at home.

 

If we could pull off a Ceda/arm for Hermida deal, I would consider the offseason a complete success if we only brought back Wood and Dempster otherwise.

 

There's a good chance, though, that Hermida's cheap production would keep us in the running (if we ever were) for a fairly high profile pitching/shortstop addition.

 

What about a Ceda, Wellington Castillo, Fontenot/Cedeno and a prospect for Hermida and Kevin Gregg.

[dew1679666265]

Hermida is no slouch. Dude had a .398 career OBP in the minors. He's shown flashes of what his power could become. Last year he hit .296/.369/.501. A .205 ISOP is pretty solid. And as has been mentioned, he plays in a huge home park. He had a .584 OPS in Florida this year. For his career, his OPS is over 100 points lower at home.

 

If we could pull off a Ceda/arm for Hermida deal, I would consider the offseason a complete success if we only brought back Wood and Dempster otherwise.

 

There's a good chance, though, that Hermida's cheap production would keep us in the running (if we ever were) for a fairly high profile pitching/shortstop addition.

 

What about a Ceda, Wellington Castillo, Fontenot/Cedeno and a prospect for Hermida and Kevin Gregg.

 

I wouldn't include Fontenot. If they wanted that deal with Cedeno, fine, but Gregg's not valuable enough to give Fontenot up.

 

Otherwise, that's a good deal, I think. It gives us a great bat in right field, moves Fukudome to center and gives us a consistently good (110, 122, 122 ERA+ the past three years) seventh inning guy.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Gregg will be way overvalued because of his history closing. Nelson has been good for a couple years and will be first year arb eligible, but he's also 33. For my money, do a package of up to Pie+Ceda for Hermida and be done with the Marlins.

[KingCubsFan]

Gregg will be way overvalued because of his history closing. Nelson has been good for a couple years and will be first year arb eligible, but he's also 33. For my money, do a package of up to Pie+Ceda for Hermida and be done with the Marlins.

Wasn't he pulled as closer at the end of the year?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Gregg will be way overvalued because of his history closing. Nelson has been good for a couple years and will be first year arb eligible, but he's also 33. For my money, do a package of up to Pie+Ceda for Hermida and be done with the Marlins.

Wasn't he pulled as closer at the end of the year?

 

Yes, but his previous effectiveness in the role still drives his price up. It's the same concept that gets people like Bob Wickman and Todd Jones contract after contract.

[dew1679666265]

Gregg will be way overvalued because of his history closing. Nelson has been good for a couple years and will be first year arb eligible, but he's also 33. For my money, do a package of up to Pie+Ceda for Hermida and be done with the Marlins.

 

I'd be ecstatic with just a Pie/Ceda for Hermida deal, but IF we could get them to throw in Gregg for Castillo and Cedeno, I might be interested.

 

That said, you're probably right about the history closing overvaluing him and at that point, I'd lose interest.

[rawaction]

Gregg will be way overvalued because of his history closing. Nelson has been good for a couple years and will be first year arb eligible, but he's also 33. For my money, do a package of up to Pie+Ceda for Hermida and be done with the Marlins.

 

I'd be ecstatic with just a Pie/Ceda for Hermida deal, but IF we could get them to throw in Gregg for Castillo and Cedeno, I might be interested.

 

That said, you're probably right about the history closing overvaluing him and at that point, I'd lose interest.

 

That's a lot to give up. I think that might be pushing it on Hermida, but I'd do the deal because Hermida would conceivably fit a need and be a Cub for 3-4 years.

[SouthSideRyan]

Gregg will be way overvalued because of his history closing. Nelson has been good for a couple years and will be first year arb eligible, but he's also 33. For my money, do a package of up to Pie+Ceda for Hermida and be done with the Marlins.

 

I'd be ecstatic with just a Pie/Ceda for Hermida deal, but IF we could get them to throw in Gregg for Castillo and Cedeno, I might be interested.

 

That said, you're probably right about the history closing overvaluing him and at that point, I'd lose interest.

 

I wouldn't trade Castillo straight up for Gregg.

[RedFlash]

Gregg will be way overvalued because of his history closing. Nelson has been good for a couple years and will be first year arb eligible, but he's also 33. For my money, do a package of up to Pie+Ceda for Hermida and be done with the Marlins.

 

I'd be ecstatic with just a Pie/Ceda for Hermida deal, but IF we could get them to throw in Gregg for Castillo and Cedeno, I might be interested.

 

That said, you're probably right about the history closing overvaluing him and at that point, I'd lose interest.

 

I wouldn't trade Castillo straight up for Gregg.

 

Even tho I think Gregg has a decent enough arm for middle relief (he seemed to pitch better at home .v. on the road in his career..... 3.78 at home/4.22 on the road) I agree that Castillo is too much to give up for a middle reliever. Atkins plus C+ prospect would be about right for Gregg. Even then you might be overpayng slightly.

[dew1679666265]

Gregg will be way overvalued because of his history closing. Nelson has been good for a couple years and will be first year arb eligible, but he's also 33. For my money, do a package of up to Pie+Ceda for Hermida and be done with the Marlins.

 

I'd be ecstatic with just a Pie/Ceda for Hermida deal, but IF we could get them to throw in Gregg for Castillo and Cedeno, I might be interested.

 

That said, you're probably right about the history closing overvaluing him and at that point, I'd lose interest.

 

I wouldn't trade Castillo straight up for Gregg.

 

You think Castillo has that much value? I could be wrong and will check on it, but I thought he pretty much had his best season ever this year. I'm not sure if he can keep it up, but if there's reason to believe he can't, it'd be selling high (somewhat).

 

I could be way, way off on his value, though.

[dew1679666265]

Gregg will be way overvalued because of his history closing. Nelson has been good for a couple years and will be first year arb eligible, but he's also 33. For my money, do a package of up to Pie+Ceda for Hermida and be done with the Marlins.

 

I'd be ecstatic with just a Pie/Ceda for Hermida deal, but IF we could get them to throw in Gregg for Castillo and Cedeno, I might be interested.

 

That said, you're probably right about the history closing overvaluing him and at that point, I'd lose interest.

 

I wouldn't trade Castillo straight up for Gregg.

 

Even tho I think Gregg has a decent enough arm for middle relief (he seemed to pitch better at home .v. on the road in his career..... 3.78 at home/4.22 on the road) I agree that Castillo is too much to give up for a middle reliever. Atkins plus C+ prospect would be about right for Gregg. Even then you might be overpayng slightly.

 

The idea is that Gregg would take the place of Wood if we don't resign him (and that's the way it's looking right now). He'd be a late inning, high leverage guy - not a middle relief guy.

 

I'd be much more open to simply signing Juan Cruz or Brian Fuentes, but he might be an option.

[dew1679666265]

Gregg will be way overvalued because of his history closing. Nelson has been good for a couple years and will be first year arb eligible, but he's also 33. For my money, do a package of up to Pie+Ceda for Hermida and be done with the Marlins.

 

I'd be ecstatic with just a Pie/Ceda for Hermida deal, but IF we could get them to throw in Gregg for Castillo and Cedeno, I might be interested.

 

That said, you're probably right about the history closing overvaluing him and at that point, I'd lose interest.

 

That's a lot to give up. I think that might be pushing it on Hermida, but I'd do the deal because Hermida would conceivably fit a need and be a Cub for 3-4 years.

 

I don't know that Cedeno has much value anymore - and I'm not real optimistic about his ability to be any more than a decent bat off the bench. I'm a bit lower on him than others, and I guess that explains my willingness to trade him.

[RedFlash]

Gregg will be way overvalued because of his history closing. Nelson has been good for a couple years and will be first year arb eligible, but he's also 33. For my money, do a package of up to Pie+Ceda for Hermida and be done with the Marlins.

 

I'd be ecstatic with just a Pie/Ceda for Hermida deal, but IF we could get them to throw in Gregg for Castillo and Cedeno, I might be interested.

 

That said, you're probably right about the history closing overvaluing him and at that point, I'd lose interest.

 

That's a lot to give up. I think that might be pushing it on Hermida, but I'd do the deal because Hermida would conceivably fit a need and be a Cub for 3-4 years.

 

I don't know that Cedeno has much value anymore - and I'm not real optimistic about his ability to be any more than a decent bat off the bench. I'm a bit lower on him than others, and I guess that explains my willingness to trade him.

 

I'm with you, dew. You can't beat out Ryan Theriot, then you don't have much value as anything more then a utility player.

[dew1679666265]

Gregg will be way overvalued because of his history closing. Nelson has been good for a couple years and will be first year arb eligible, but he's also 33. For my money, do a package of up to Pie+Ceda for Hermida and be done with the Marlins.

 

I'd be ecstatic with just a Pie/Ceda for Hermida deal, but IF we could get them to throw in Gregg for Castillo and Cedeno, I might be interested.

 

That said, you're probably right about the history closing overvaluing him and at that point, I'd lose interest.

 

That's a lot to give up. I think that might be pushing it on Hermida, but I'd do the deal because Hermida would conceivably fit a need and be a Cub for 3-4 years.

 

I don't know that Cedeno has much value anymore - and I'm not real optimistic about his ability to be any more than a decent bat off the bench. I'm a bit lower on him than others, and I guess that explains my willingness to trade him.

 

I'm with you, dew. You can't beat out Ryan Theriot, then you don't have much value as anything more then a utility player.

 

I know the predictive models are not on my side, but I just haven't seen him make the adjustments necessary to have success at the major league level. He's not patient enough.

 

I could well be wrong and I grant that he might if he had more playing time, but I'm not confident that he would.

[Clem Fandango]

If they do go after Hermida, how much extra would it take to get say... Logan Morrison in the deal? Are they high on him or is he projected as sort of a Hoffpauir type guy

[UMFan83]

The reviews were on the positive side for Scott Olsen, Mike Jacobs, Dan Uggla, and Alfredo Amezaga. The scout apparently recommended against Jeremy Hermida, Kevin Gregg, and Josh Willingham. Hermida's report was particularly damning, with the scout claiming the right fielder has "no passion for the game."

 

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_baseball_marlins/2008/10/trade-front.html

[JeffH]

The reviews were on the positive side for Scott Olsen, Mike Jacobs, Dan Uggla, and Alfredo Amezaga. The scout apparently recommended against Jeremy Hermida, Kevin Gregg, and Josh Willingham. Hermida's report was particularly damning, with the scout claiming the right fielder has "no passion for the game."

 

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_baseball_marlins/2008/10/trade-front.html

 

OK, but can he play?