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Justify why Josh Hamilton should be in the Top 10 in AL MVP

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ok, please explain how a CF that finished fifth in the league in VORP and had a 136 ops+ did not have one of the top 10 seasons in the majors because of his home/road splits

 

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ok, please explain how a CF that finished fifth in the league in VORP and had a 136 ops+ did not have one of the top 10 seasons in the majors because of his home/road splits

 

we're waiting

 

I'll do it as soon as you explain to me all aobut how VORP is formulated and how home/road splits are taken into account. Until you can do that, you really shouldn't be using it as your only crutch to an argument. "Oh wait...if you were able to do that it would have been done a week ago".

 

Oh, you can't do that? Now I remember why the conversation ended. I'm not doubting VORP, but to use it so much in an argument when you really know very little about it is pretty ridiculous. Very ridiculous actually.

 

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By the way, I do think that he should be in the top 10 of the MVP voting after looking at the mediocrity of AL hitters this season. It seemed like there were more standout seasons in the AL this year. That said, I still think his good season was highly overrated/exxaggerated and he wouldn't be getting the same kind of treatment and love if it wasn't for his story and the fact that he's likable.

 

I just checked over this thread and realized how very little you added to the argument. Your first post was an inspired "what's wrong with you?" and then once other people made their arguments you just piggy backed them. Then you dropped the "well he was 5th in VORP" bombshell (after someone had already posted it of course) and that was pretty much your contribution to the argument. Why do I get the feeling that you just started watching baseball a couple years ago and wouldn't watch at all if it weren't for the Cubs? Why do I get the feeling that you were just recently introduced to about 5 different stats that are common among Sabr people? You remind me of the kid who hides behind his older brother in a fight and then after he knocks the other kid down you jump out and yell "yeah...suck it!". Wait, wasn't that actually a quote from you earlier in this thread?

 

<3 VORP. I know nothing about it........ but it's so badass.

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ok, please explain how a CF that finished fifth in the league in VORP and had a 136 ops+ did not have one of the top 10 seasons in the majors because of his home/road splits

 

we're waiting

 

I'll do it as soon as you explain to me all aobut how VORP is formulated and how home/road splits are taken into account. Until you can do that, you really shouldn't be using it as your only crutch to an argument. "Oh wait...if you were able to do that it would have been done a week ago".

 

Oh, you can't do that? Now I remember why the conversation ended. I'm not doubting VORP, but to use it so much in an argument when you really know very little about it is pretty ridiculous. Very ridiculous actually.

 

These crazy kids who just found out about sabermetrics...

 

Statistics. They're useful in the right hands. They're useless in most hands.

 

By the way, I do think that he should be in the top 10 of the MVP voting after looking at the mediocrity of AL hitters this season. It seemed like there were more standout seasons in the AL this year. That said, I still think his good season was highly overrated/exxaggerated and he wouldn't be getting the same kind of treatment and love if it wasn't for his story and the fact that he's likable.

 

I just checked over this thread and realized how very little you added to the argument. Your first post was an inspired "what's wrong with you?" and then once other people made their arguments you just piggy backed them. Then you dropped the "well he was 5th in VORP" bombshell (after someone had already posted it of course) and that was pretty much your contribution to the argument. Why do I get the feeling that you just started watching baseball a couple years ago and wouldn't watch at all if it weren't for the Cubs? Why do I get the feeling that you were just recently introduced to about 5 different stats that are common among Sabr people? You remind me of the kid who hides behind his older brother in a fight and then after he knocks the other kid down you jump out and yell "yeah...suck it!". Wait, wasn't that actually a quote from you earlier in this thread?

 

<3 VORP. I know nothing about it........ but it's so badass.

 

Well, you couldn't be more wrong about your assumptions about me but we'll skip those real quick. I guess you're not going to let that VORP thing go, even though it was explained earlier that they don't release the equation for their own stat. I guess at the very least I can try to help you understand what it does. You multiply the league's average of runs/out by the players' outs, then multiply that number by whatever the established replacement level number is for that position (if i remember right). Then you subtract that number from whoever's (in this case josh hamilton) number of runs created. Then, and here comes the faith part, you normalize it by park factors. Now, I suppose it's possible that BP said "look, I know we've been using this stat for years now, with no one but meatheaded sports writers complaining about it, but let's give josh hamilton a break here, after all what a great story," and just gave him a few extra points or something.

Or maybe they put in all the numbers and their nerdy computers spit out "No. 5 Josh Hamilton."

I mean, 4th in the A.L. in runs created, 5th in win shares, 5th in VORP... there are problems with each stat, but if you are showing up that high in each one, only an idiot would argue that he doesn't belong in the...

 

By the way, I do think that he should be in the top 10 of the MVP voting

 

oh, that wasn't so hard was it. See how neat it is when you actually take the time to research an opinion instead of just erroneously flying off the handle? this was fun, i feel like you learned something today.

 

It's funny, i've added "so little to the debate", when you're entire stance was that he wasn't a top 10 mvp candidate because of home/road splits. Oh, and that "everyone else on the board worships him" or whatever, when all anyone did was say he belonged on a list of 10 players for MVP..

 

By the way, I do think that he should be in the top 10 of the MVP voting

 

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you know that part in fight club were edward norton beats the hell out of jared leto and then he just keeps punching and punching and punching until jared leto's all limp and bloody and they have to pull edward norton off him and everyone is just disgusted?
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you know that part in fight club were edward norton beats the hell out of jared leto and then he just keeps punching and punching and punching until jared leto's all limp and bloody and they have to pull edward norton off him and everyone is just disgusted?

 

sort of off of your point here but edward norton got to bang salma hayek AND kick the crap out of jared leto

 

real american hero imo

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you know that part in fight club were edward norton beats the hell out of jared leto and then he just keeps punching and punching and punching until jared leto's all limp and bloody and they have to pull edward norton off him and everyone is just disgusted?

 

sort of off of your point here but edward norton got to bang salma hayek AND kick the crap out of jared leto

 

real american hero imo

 

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