Resign Jim Edmonds?

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't think anyone in favor of bringing back Edmonds is counting on him being out there for 550 ABs of 950 OPS. They are banking on 250-300 PAs of an 800 OPS with the ability to fake it in CF. That's worth an easy 3M.

 

Saying Pie will match Jim's Cubs production?? I love Felix Pie and am pissed with how he's been handled, but this is completely insane.

[SweetZombieJesus]

I don't think anyone in favor of bringing back Edmonds is counting on him being out there for 550 ABs of 950 OPS. They are banking on 250-300 PAs of an 800 OPS with the ability to fake it in CF. That's worth an easy 3M.

 

Saying Pie will match Jim's Cubs production?? I love Felix Pie and am pissed with how he's been handled, but this is completely insane.

 

Who's saying that? Alot of us just don't want to see the cubs slap a bandaid on a proverbial gaping chest wound and would rather to try to sew it up with possibly unsanitary instruments.

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't think anyone in favor of bringing back Edmonds is counting on him being out there for 550 ABs of 950 OPS. They are banking on 250-300 PAs of an 800 OPS with the ability to fake it in CF. That's worth an easy 3M.

 

Saying Pie will match Jim's Cubs production?? I love Felix Pie and am pissed with how he's been handled, but this is completely insane.

 

Who's saying that? Alot of us just don't want to see the cubs slap a bandaid on a proverbial gaping chest wound and would rather to try to sew it up with possibly unsanitary instruments.

 

RedFlash said that. I want Pie starting in CF on opening day with Edmonds on the bench. It's probably unlikely that Lou would let Pie work it out should he struggle at all or even give him the start at all, but ideally it'd be nice.

[Jimmy Ballgame]

If I were the Cubs GM, not only would I resign Edmonds, I'd give him the every day job in 2009. Wrigley Field is a great place for him to play. Before we signed him he already had 17 career homers at Wrigley. I dunno if anyone noticed, but Jimmy almost hit 3 home runs in the NLDS. I would just love to see what he could do in a full season with the Cubs. I mean [expletive], if he had gotten enough at bats he would have hit 30+ homers in 08. [hahaha I just noticed that obscenities are changed to "Howry"].

 

The other thing is I HATE FELIX PIE. Just like I hate Corey Patterson and Eric Patterson. They all seem like the same person to me. Speedy lefties with good defense, but all they do is strike out.

 

I think people need to realize that there are way bigger problems with this Cubs team than center field. I would love to see Soriano, Lee and Fukudome all gone next season (though I realize we may just be stuck with Kosuke). I would make sure to end up with a star corner outfielder in one of the deals. Then I would sign Mark Texeira and start Reed Johnson at whichever corner OF spot was vacant.

 

SS - Theriot

2B - DeRosa

3B - Ramirez

1B - Texeira

C -- Soto

RF - *insert big-name guy*

CF - Edmonds

LF - Johnson

 

I think that lineup is much better than our 08 lineup. We can't depend on Soriano and Lee to be our two big sluggers because they just simply aren't that good. I can't watch any more of Lee's GIDP or Soriano swinging at pitches 8 feet off the plate. I like Hoffpauir alot, I just can't decide if I would be comfortable going into 09 with him as a starter. Whatever the case, I would have him ready and waiting in case Johnson or Edmonds doesn't produce (which I would not expect to be the case).

 

Any thoughts?

[Sammy Sofa]

Why in God's name would Reed Johnson's production be tolerable for a corner OFer?

[SouthSideRyan]

Why in God's name would Reed Johnson's production be tolerable for a corner OFer?

 

He's white.

 

Not really, but man, that is a white lineup.

[fromthestretch]

If I were the Cubs GM, not only would I resign Edmonds, I'd give him the every day job in 2009. Wrigley Field is a great place for him to play. Before we signed him he already had 17 career homers at Wrigley. I dunno if anyone noticed, but Jimmy almost hit 3 home runs in the NLDS. I would just love to see what he could do in a full season with the Cubs. I mean Howry, if he had gotten enough at bats he would have hit 30+ homers in 08. [hahaha I just noticed that obscenities are changed to "Howry"].

 

The other thing is I HATE FELIX PIE. Just like I hate Corey Patterson and Eric Patterson. They all seem like the same person to me. Speedy lefties with good defense, but all they do is strike out.

 

I think people need to realize that there are way bigger problems with this Cubs team than center field. I would love to see Soriano, Lee and Fukudome all gone next season (though I realize we may just be stuck with Kosuke). I would make sure to end up with a star corner outfielder in one of the deals. Then I would sign Mark Texeira and start Reed Johnson at whichever corner OF spot was vacant.

 

SS - Theriot

2B - DeRosa

3B - Ramirez

1B - Texeira

C -- Soto

RF - *insert big-name guy*

CF - Edmonds

LF - Johnson

 

I think that lineup is much better than our 08 lineup. We can't depend on Soriano and Lee to be our two big sluggers because they just simply aren't that good. I can't watch any more of Lee's GIDP or Soriano swinging at pitches 8 feet off the plate. I like Hoffpauir alot, I just can't decide if I would be comfortable going into 09 with him as a starter. Whatever the case, I would have him ready and waiting in case Johnson or Edmonds doesn't produce (which I would not expect to be the case).

 

Any thoughts?

 

Hoffpauir and Johnson are not everyday players. Johnson could be solid as the right-handed part of a platoon in CF, since he hits lefties well (let Pie be the other half). If you're disappointed in Soriano's production, you're sure as hell not going to like what Johnson would produce over the course of a full season (which would probably be an OPS of around .750-.770).

 

Hoffpauir is a decent left-handed bat of the bench. You can start him at first and in one of the outfield corners occasionally, but I wouldn't view him as someone you should be giving 300+ at-bats to.

 

If you can deal Lee and sign Teixeira, fantastic. Kind of a longshot though.

 

If the Cubs are hellbent on getting a left-handed bat, I like the Hermida idea that's been discussed in other threads.

[Jimmy Ballgame]

I wouldn't say I'd be totally thrilled about Reed being my every day left fielder, but I think if we ended up scoring Teixeira and a star outfielder and Reed Johnson was our only weak spot, that's a good thing. By swapping Lee and Soriano for just about ANY other star 1B and outfielder, our team is much better. And besides, every other contender has more than just one position that doesn't produce very much, so if we only have one and it happens to be in left field, so be it.

[Sammy Sofa]

I wouldn't say I'd be totally thrilled about Reed being my every day left fielder, but I think if we ended up scoring Teixeira and a star outfielder and Reed Johnson was our only weak spot, that's a good thing. By swapping Lee and Soriano for just about ANY other star 1B and outfielder, our team is much better. And besides, every other contender has more than just one position that doesn't produce very much, so if we only have one and it happens to be in left field, so be it.

 

What about SS? What about CF when Edmonds goes down or if he doesn't perform as his bat speed keeps decreasing? How are you going to move Soriano? How is Soriano hurting this team?

Edited October 23, 2008 by Sammy Sofa

[rocket]

jim edmonds had 17 career homers at wrigley because he was an excellent baseball player, not because he had some special ability to turn it on at the friendly confines.

[Jimmy Ballgame]

I wouldn't say I'd be totally thrilled about Reed being my every day left fielder, but I think if we ended up scoring Teixeira and a star outfielder and Reed Johnson was our only weak spot, that's a good thing. By swapping Lee and Soriano for just about ANY other star 1B and outfielder, our team is much better. And besides, every other contender has more than just one position that doesn't produce very much, so if we only have one and it happens to be in left field, so be it.

 

What about SS? What about CF when Edmonds goes down or if he doesn't perform as his bat speed keeps decreasing? How are you going to move Soriano? How is Soriano hurting this team?

Last time I checked, the numbers Ryan Theriot put up in 2008 were outstanding. I would not consider SS a weakness at all.

 

Nobody questioned the bat speed of Barry Bonds at age 38 and beyond. So I would say until Edmonds STOPS putting up numbers, he shouldn't be considered "done".

 

I am not saying Reed Johnson can replace Soriano. I'm saying whatever star outfielder we acquired in this process could. Then, Johnson would be replacing Kosuke essentially except flip-flopping in the outfield. The reason I hate Soriano is because he goes through long streaks where he fails to make any contact with the baseball, and I don't consider that acceptable. He makes up his mind about whether or not he's going to swing before the pitch is even thrown, and no matter how far off the plate it is, he'll still wave at it.

[MSG T]

I wouldn't say I'd be totally thrilled about Reed being my every day left fielder, but I think if we ended up scoring Teixeira and a star outfielder and Reed Johnson was our only weak spot, that's a good thing. By swapping Lee and Soriano for just about ANY other star 1B and outfielder, our team is much better. And besides, every other contender has more than just one position that doesn't produce very much, so if we only have one and it happens to be in left field, so be it.

 

What about SS? What about CF when Edmonds goes down or if he doesn't perform as his bat speed keeps decreasing? How are you going to move Soriano? How is Soriano hurting this team?

Last time I checked, the numbers Ryan Theriot put up in 2008 were outstanding. I would not consider SS a weakness at all.

 

Nobody questioned the bat speed of Barry Bonds at age 38 and beyond. So I would say until Edmonds STOPS putting up numbers, he shouldn't be considered "done".

 

I am not saying Reed Johnson can replace Soriano. I'm saying whatever star outfielder we acquired in this process could. Then, Johnson would be replacing Kosuke essentially except flip-flopping in the outfield. The reason I hate Soriano is because he goes through long streaks where he fails to make any contact with the baseball, and I don't consider that acceptable. He makes up his mind about whether or not he's going to swing before the pitch is even thrown, and no matter how far off the plate it is, he'll still wave at it.

 

First, Theriot's numbers were not outstanding. He had the 8th best OPS of NL SS, behind such sluggers as Cristian Guzman and Yunel Escobar. A 93 OPS+ is below average, granted slightly below, but still below.

 

Second, Bonds was a freak of science, and already one of the best players ever, at the age of 38. While Edmonds had a great career, nobody compared him to Bonds( even off the juice). And the fact that his numbers have dropped the last few years, up until an incredible June and July this year, does not bode well for the future.

 

Third, while I agree that they should be looking for another corner OF, it shouldn't be to replace Soriano, it should be, at a minimum, to force Kosuke to CF( where he could platoon with Johnson). You do realize that of everyone on the team that had 300 PA( roughly 50% playing time) or higher, Soriano was their second best hitter, behind ARam.

[Colin Wyers]

I think the Cubs are going to go out and add one more outfielder this offseason, a power hitter sort to play right field.

 

If that happens, the Cubs will probably employ some mix of Fukudome, Johnson and Pie in center field next season. The Cubs are stuck with both Dome and Pie - neither can be sent to the minors - and have to do something with them. That would make Edmonds expendable to the organization.

[5412]

As long as it doesn't cost too much, I'd be willing to do this for around 1-2 mil perhaps. Unless of course, we acquire a different OF in the offseason. I think Jimmy could give us one more productive year.

 

Hi,

 

To me the money is not as relevant as some other issues. First of all a lot depends on what happens in the offseason. If our fall back guy is Pie, sign Edmonds in a minute. On the other hand if there are changes made in the outfiled there would need to be a clear understanding that he is trying out for the team with no guarantees.

 

For example, would you rather keep Edmonds as a LH pinch hitter, part time player, and let Ward go????

 

If Edmonds was willing to accept a contract under the circumstances that he is not guaranteed anything as far as making the team, then it could be a good move.

[B]

Why in God's name would Reed Johnson's production be tolerable for a corner OFer?

 

He's white.

 

Not really, but man, that is a white lineup.

Dusty would not approve of it.

[imb]

The other thing is I HATE FELIX PIE. Just like I hate Corey Patterson and Eric Patterson. They all seem like the same person to me.

 

what could these three people have in common?

 

 

ohhhhhhhh

[Jimmy Ballgame]

I was thinking out loud when I made that first post. I probably wouldn't send Reed out there every day, probably more like a platoon with Fontenot or something like that. Basically what I meant was that the remaining corner OF spot could be filled by people we already have on the roster.

 

As far as Soriano, I wouldn't just trade him for the sake of trading him. However, if we were able to get a deal where someone (for whatever reason) was giving us a comparable OFer in return, I'd pull the trigger. And if we have enough payroll to keep Soriano AND sign Teixeira and a right-fielder, great. Again, I think one of our biggest issues is that the superstars we depend on to win simply aren't as good as other people's superstars.

 

As far as Edmonds in wrigley, I'm not saying he has a super-human ability to play at wrigley, but it is true that certain players hit better in certain parks because they see the ball better or whatever. Wrigley also has a small CF territory to cover, and the grass is soft. Those are good things for a slow guy with bad knees, in addition to solid career numbers at Wrigley.

 

The other thing is I HATE FELIX PIE. Just like I hate Corey Patterson and Eric Patterson. They all seem like the same person to me.

 

what could these three people have in common?

 

 

ohhhhhhhh

Are you serious? I just think it's odd that two people in this thread have called me a racist. I didn't realize how white my suggested lineup was. Just to even things out, I'm going to recommend we sign a free agent OF that is black or hispanic. THERE.

[Schwarber Fan]

Jim Edmonds is the best option out of the field of CFers from 2008 on the Cubs

 

However, there are better options in the FA market/trade market

[Jimmy Ballgame]

I wouldn't say I'd be totally thrilled about Reed being my every day left fielder, but I think if we ended up scoring Teixeira and a star outfielder and Reed Johnson was our only weak spot, that's a good thing. By swapping Lee and Soriano for just about ANY other star 1B and outfielder, our team is much better. And besides, every other contender has more than just one position that doesn't produce very much, so if we only have one and it happens to be in left field, so be it.

 

What about SS? What about CF when Edmonds goes down or if he doesn't perform as his bat speed keeps decreasing? How are you going to move Soriano? How is Soriano hurting this team?

Last time I checked, the numbers Ryan Theriot put up in 2008 were outstanding. I would not consider SS a weakness at all.

 

Nobody questioned the bat speed of Barry Bonds at age 38 and beyond. So I would say until Edmonds STOPS putting up numbers, he shouldn't be considered "done".

 

I am not saying Reed Johnson can replace Soriano. I'm saying whatever star outfielder we acquired in this process could. Then, Johnson would be replacing Kosuke essentially except flip-flopping in the outfield. The reason I hate Soriano is because he goes through long streaks where he fails to make any contact with the baseball, and I don't consider that acceptable. He makes up his mind about whether or not he's going to swing before the pitch is even thrown, and no matter how far off the plate it is, he'll still wave at it.

 

First, Theriot's numbers were not outstanding. He had the 8th best OPS of NL SS, behind such sluggers as Cristian Guzman and Yunel Escobar. A 93 OPS+ is below average, granted slightly below, but still below.

 

Second, Bonds was a freak of science, and already one of the best players ever, at the age of 38. While Edmonds had a great career, nobody compared him to Bonds( even off the juice). And the fact that his numbers have dropped the last few years, up until an incredible June and July this year, does not bode well for the future.

 

Third, while I agree that they should be looking for another corner OF, it shouldn't be to replace Soriano, it should be, at a minimum, to force Kosuke to CF( where he could platoon with Johnson). You do realize that of everyone on the team that had 300 PA( roughly 50% playing time) or higher, Soriano was their second best hitter, behind ARam.

Not every single player needs to hit for power. I wouldn't consider slugging % to be a relevant stat for a middle infielder that hits 2nd in your lineup. If they hit .300 with a .400 OBP, that's good enough to be my starting SS any day. I also like how Theriot seemed to have the least number of slumps out of anyone in our lineup (and also the least severe). He was pretty much always getting base hits.

[UK1679666180]

I can't see Edmonds maintaining his 50%+ XBH in the second half again. With that said, there's a spot for him on this team although he's not more than a 400AB guy at this stage. Him and Johnson would be adequate as a platoon in CF.

 

It looked like teams pitched Theriot differently in the second half as far as busting him on the inner half and he didn't do as well, his low salary and the rest of the lineup allow him to be a viable option although I doubt we'll see similar numbers as we did in '08.

 

They need a RF'er with pop from the LH side, not many exist at this stage and they have either have an extremely expensive and heavy dead weight with Fukudome or they have a rebounding player, I didn't see any adjustments to FB on the outer 3rd or sliders low and away against LH'ers although he's more willing to stay back & slap the ball into LF vs. lefties.

[SouthSideRyan]

SLG% is a relevant stat for every player no matter what position they play or where they hit.

 

Depends on what you consider a large enough sample, but Theriot definitely had terrible stretches. Considering your baseless claims about Lilly being inconsistent, I'll assume the claims about Theriot are similar to that, and my perusing BR gamelogs more strictly is worthless to me and you.

[XZero771679666304]

I can't see Edmonds maintaining his 50%+ XBH in the second half again. With that said, there's a spot for him on this team although he's not more than a 400AB guy at this stage. Him and Johnson would be adequate as a platoon in CF.

 

It looked like teams pitched Theriot differently in the second half as far as busting him on the inner half and he didn't do as well, his low salary and the rest of the lineup allow him to be a viable option although I doubt we'll see similar numbers as we did in '08.

 

They need a RF'er with pop from the LH side, not many exist at this stage and they have either have an extremely expensive and heavy dead weight with Fukudome or they have a rebounding player, I didn't see any adjustments to FB on the outer 3rd or sliders low and away against LH'ers although he's more willing to stay back & slap the ball into LF vs. lefties.

 

I would approve of Theriot if he were a good defender and an astute baserunner. However, neither is the case.

[UK1679666180]

I can't see Edmonds maintaining his 50%+ XBH in the second half again. With that said, there's a spot for him on this team although he's not more than a 400AB guy at this stage. Him and Johnson would be adequate as a platoon in CF.

 

It looked like teams pitched Theriot differently in the second half as far as busting him on the inner half and he didn't do as well, his low salary and the rest of the lineup allow him to be a viable option although I doubt we'll see similar numbers as we did in '08.

 

They need a RF'er with pop from the LH side, not many exist at this stage and they have either have an extremely expensive and heavy dead weight with Fukudome or they have a rebounding player, I didn't see any adjustments to FB on the outer 3rd or sliders low and away against LH'ers although he's more willing to stay back & slap the ball into LF vs. lefties.

 

I would approve of Theriot if he were a good defender and an astute baserunner. However, neither is the case.

 

I'll avoid the usual debate that involves Theriot, but if Cedeno can outplay him, then go for it.

[imb]

Resign, Jim Edmonds!

[wvcbxl]

Resign, Jim Edmonds!

 

:-))

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