Resign Jim Edmonds?

[Ski]

As long as it doesn't cost too much, I'd be willing to do this for around 1-2 mil perhaps. Unless of course, we acquire a different OF in the offseason. I think Jimmy could give us one more productive year.

[Outshined_One]

Given his injury history and his declining production, I'd rather not bring him back for another year.

[UMFan83]

No. Jim was a good in season move last year but its time to get someone in there that we can count on for more than one season.

[laurens]

If we resign him, we have a far bigger chance of getting Padre-Jimmy than getting Cub-Jimmy.

[UMFan83]

I think if we resigned him, we would be getting a line of around .250/.340/.460 from him in part time play.

[Post Count Padder]

NOOOOOOO

 

There's no way he is replicating his post-Padres stats.

[Mephistopheles]

As I said elsewhere, we got incredible production out of center this season. If we don't want our offense to slip, we're going to need similar output next season.

 

I don't see a reason not to bring him back. He can still hit righties: .900, .947, .755, .883 the last four years.

[RedFlash]

I didn't want the Cubs to bring back Gary Gaetti in 99 after a great September of 98, and yet they did. This is going to be something similar. If the Cubs can't land a guy like Beltran, DeJesus, or even McLouth, I prefer to let Pie and Johnson be the platoon in 09 with no Jim Edmonds. But knowing the Cubs, unless Edmonds retires, I se them saying "since you did such a great job with us last yr, we'll offer you a 1 yr deal."

 

I was abslutely floored and loved what Edmonds did with the Cubs, BUT that is no reason to bring him back. And what that say to Felix Pie that we like you, but no more then a 38 yr old washout?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If Edmonds would sign a one-year 1 million dollar deal, I could see bringing him back. For that cost, he makes a decent platoon option in CF. If he wants more than that in years or dollars, I'd let him explore the market.

[RedFlash]

If Edmonds would sign a one-year 1 million dollar deal, I could see bringing him back. For that cost, he makes a decent platoon option in CF. If he wants more than that in years or dollars, I'd let him explore the market.

 

There is almost no chance that Edmonds will ask for anything more then 1 yr $1.25 mill type deal if he doesn't retired. The fact the he clear waivers tills you that he wasn't in high demand then, and I doubt he will be this offseason. So if the Cubs want him back money or yrs won't be a prolly. But I don't want him back.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If we couldnt get an upgrade for the outfield, like a Dunn or a Bradley, Id be all about giving him one more shot. I like Reed Johnson a lot, but I dont know if hes full time material, and Pie hasnt done anything to show that hes ready for the big show.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Edmonds would sign a one-year 1 million dollar deal, I could see bringing him back. For that cost, he makes a decent platoon option in CF. If he wants more than that in years or dollars, I'd let him explore the market.

 

There is almost no chance that Edmonds will ask for anything more then 1 yr $1.25 mill type deal if he doesn't retired. The fact the he clear waivers tills you that he wasn't in high demand then, and I doubt he will be this offseason. So if the Cubs want him back money or yrs won't be a prolly. But I don't want him back.

 

The fact that he cleared waivers back in May with an 8M contract tied to him means he won't get more than 1.25M after being a very productive hitter who can fake it in CF after he was waived?

[B]

I agree. He should resign.

[ConstableRabbit]

Can we please stop with the Gaetti comparisons? They both were ex-Cardinals who had good ABs after a midseason trade to the Cubs. That's where the similarities end.

 

Gaetti had half of the at-bats Edmonds had this year, and therefore a smaller sample size.

Gaetti was never as good as Edmonds in his career -- Edmonds was hitting close to his career averages with the Cubs (unlikely he'll repeat, but still).

Edmonds stopped taking a medication after leaving the Padres which some say had to do with his improvement at the plate.

 

They're different situations. Please, just stop.

[SweetZombieJesus]

Only way, I'd resign him is if the cubs either think Colvin or another minor leaguer will be ready in a year to be the everyday CF. If not I'd pass and give the platoon job to pie. Because I think the cubs are not going to make any real major moves in the FA market or trade market unless something falls into their lap or it's a part that needs to be traded (Marquis or Marshall most notably).

[RedFlash]

Can we please stop with the Gaetti comparisons? They both were ex-Cardinals who had good ABs after a midseason trade to the Cubs. That's where the similarities end.

 

Gaetti had half of the at-bats Edmonds had this year, and therefore a smaller sample size.

Gaetti was never as good as Edmonds in his career -- Edmonds was hitting close to his career averages with the Cubs (unlikely he'll repeat, but still).

Edmonds stopped taking a medication after leaving the Padres which some say had to do with his improvement at the plate.

 

They're different situations. Please, just stop.

 

So you tired of hearing of one comparasion means there are not valid comp? Sorry Constable. Just because you don't like the comp, doesn't make it less valid. It's a valid comp in terms of what to expect from Edmonds if you bring him back next yr. There will never be a 100% perfect comparasion of two situations. But the Gaetti .v. Edmonds is a goo dmatch regardless of the varibles that are not related to baseball. Chose to ingore the comp if you want, but the comp is valid.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Can we please stop with the Gaetti comparisons? They both were ex-Cardinals who had good ABs after a midseason trade to the Cubs. That's where the similarities end.

 

Gaetti had half of the at-bats Edmonds had this year, and therefore a smaller sample size.

Gaetti was never as good as Edmonds in his career -- Edmonds was hitting close to his career averages with the Cubs (unlikely he'll repeat, but still).

Edmonds stopped taking a medication after leaving the Padres which some say had to do with his improvement at the plate.

 

They're different situations. Please, just stop.

 

So you tired of hearing of one comparasion means there are not valid comp? Sorry Constable. Just because you don't like the comp, doesn't make it less valid. It's a valid comp in terms of what to expect from Edmonds if you bring him back next yr. There will never be a 100% perfect comparasion of two situations. But the Gaetti .v. Edmonds is a goo dmatch regardless of the varibles that are not related to baseball. Chose to ingore the comp if you want, but the comp is valid.

no, it really is a terrible comparison

[Drew Doughty]

Can we please stop with the Gaetti comparisons? They both were ex-Cardinals who had good ABs after a midseason trade to the Cubs. That's where the similarities end.

 

Gaetti had half of the at-bats Edmonds had this year, and therefore a smaller sample size.

Gaetti was never as good as Edmonds in his career -- Edmonds was hitting close to his career averages with the Cubs (unlikely he'll repeat, but still).

Edmonds stopped taking a medication after leaving the Padres which some say had to do with his improvement at the plate.

 

They're different situations. Please, just stop.

 

So you tired of hearing of one comparasion means there are not valid comp? Sorry Constable. Just because you don't like the comp, doesn't make it less valid. It's a valid comp in terms of what to expect from Edmonds if you bring him back next yr. There will never be a 100% perfect comparasion of two situations. But the Gaetti .v. Edmonds is a goo dmatch regardless of the varibles that are not related to baseball. Chose to ingore the comp if you want, but the comp is valid.

 

the comp is not valid at all. edmonds was a better player in his career than gaetti. we have a larger sample to go on in going with edmonds. edmonds would be signed to play in a role that is conducive to his success (LH platoon), whereas gaetti was tagged as the everyday 3B (until he played himself to the bench). edmonds did a lot of things differently once coming over from the Cubs and extended his success throughout his 4 months with the Cubs (lowest OPS by month with the Cubs: .881). Gaetti had one good month as a Cub. Edmonds's numbers as a Cub actually lineup with his career numbers (mediocre avg, great on-base and power). Gaetti's numbers with the Cubs were largely driven by an unsustainable hot streak in which he went from a .250 hitter to a .320 hitter.

 

you saying it's valid over and over again doesn't make it valid.

[Soul]

If Edmonds would sign a one-year 1 million dollar deal, I could see bringing him back. For that cost, he makes a decent platoon option in CF. If he wants more than that in years or dollars, I'd let him explore the market.

Yep. Pretty much depends on what the price would be.

[SaorsaDaonnan]

It's a valid comp in terms of what to expect from Edmonds if you bring him back next yr. .

 

 

clearly you think that

 

1) IF we resign Edmonds and IF he sucks, THEN the storyline will be similiar to the Gaetti storyline

2) Edmonds will suck next year

 

as long as you're maintaining premises 1) and 2) as separate claims, you haven't made any errors of logic...others

could dispute your premises but not your reasoning from them

 

on the other hand, if you're trying to argue that premise 1) constitutes evidence for premise 2), you're out of your mind

[RedFlash]

It's a valid comp in terms of what to expect from Edmonds if you bring him back next yr. .

 

 

clearly you think that

 

1) IF we resign Edmonds and IF he sucks, THEN the storyline will be similiar to the Gaetti storyline

2) Edmonds will suck next year

 

as long as you're maintaining premises 1) and 2) as separate claims, you haven't made any errors of logic...others

could dispute your premises but not your reasoning from them

 

on the other hand, if you're trying to argue that premise 1) constitutes evidence for premise 2), you're out of your mind

 

I don't even understand what you said, but what I am arguing is bringing back a 38-39 yr old CF is not a smart business decision. People on this board bemoan the fact that his range is clearly lacking due to his age. Which was inevitable. Not to mention the chances of him duplicating what he did for the Cubs this yr for next yr is very remotely. To bring him back is not something the Cubs should do. Cause we all know Edmonds will struggle next yr which in turn will get the fans to turn on Edmonds and booed, and quite frankly I want to remember Edmonds as a Cub fondly, and not like he is white man Jacques Jones.

 

Felix Pie will put up similar numbers in 2009 as Edmonds did in 2008, with an added dimension of being able to play a full CF. Anybody who wants to bring Edmonds back are only doing it for sentamental reasons as to see if he can do it again, and that is not a smart way of running a team. So thank you to Jim, wish him good luck in his future, and let him leave with his head held high from Chicago.

[Drew Doughty]

i like pie but the chances of him putting up numbers like Edmonds did in 08 at any point in his career (let alone next year) are pretty slim, even if he's just limited to hitting against right handed pitching.

 

there are lots of reasons to think Edmonds could keep going (maybe not as strong as this year, but still solid numbers). It's not like a 1 year deal with a low low base salary hurts the team anyway (if he's willing to accept such a deal). if he struggles, DFA him and move on. it seems like a much smarter baseball move to bring him back on a low-base, incentive-laden deal to give yourself some depth rather than relying on Felix Pie, who has done nothing in the majors worth noting to this point in his career. he's likely to get some playing time when Edmonds inevitably gets injured/struggles for a period anyway, so I'd just go at it like that.

 

the point is all moot anyway if Edmonds won't take the low-base deal, but he seemed to like Chicago and he knows he's on the downswing in his career.

[biittner77]

I think they don't bring back Edmonds. They take their chances with the Pie/ Johnson platoon and if Pie flames out they slide Fukudome over to CF and find another RF. Maybe they just start Fukudome in CF, get someone like Abreu and trade Pie.

 

I'm not sure whether Edmonds would rather play for 1 million or just retire.

[Moises a loo]

If Edmonds insists on big money and an everyday starting CF job, hopefully he'll have to look elsewhere. But he's the best lefty bat the Cubs have had in awhile; it seems foolish not to consider bringing him back under the right circumstances.

 

Let's say the Cubs do trade Derrek Lee. Depending on the price and his willingness to accept a more dynamic role, the Cubs could have Edmonds as the primary 1b, with Hoffpauir getting lots of playing time as his backup. Also, I like the Fontenot/ Fukudome/ DeRosa love triangle in RF/ 2B. Pie and Johnson sharing CF. That gives them up to 4 lefty bats in the lineup against a tough righty, and that's assuming they don't sign Furcal, which would be outstanding.

[haubrich91]

I don't want to have to depend on Edmonds holding up throughout the season, and then playing like garbage in October. We need a new CFer.