Cubs hitting vs. "good" RH starting pitching

[Cubs 32]

Or I guess this will read more as what "good" RH starters did against the Cubs, but you get the idea.

I used a "rough filter" of an ERA under 4.00 (>100 ERA+) for this season.

*Does not include postseason.

 

Totals: 44 G, 262.2 IP, 253 H, 117 R, 104 ER, 94 BB, 228 SO, 24 HR, 3.56 ERA,

 

Pitcher (Season ERA/Season ERA+)

Chris Carpenter (1.76/242)

1 GS, 5.1 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 2 SO, 0 HR, 3.38 ERA.

 

Yovani Gallardo (1.88/231)

1 GS, 6.0 IP, 9 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 4 SO, 1 HR, 4.50 ERA.

 

Tim Lincecum (2.62/164)

2 GS, 14.0 IP, 13 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 17 SO, 0 HR, 2.57 ERA.

 

Roy Halladay (2.78/155)

1 GS, 5.0 IP, 7 H, 6 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 SO, 1 HR, 3.60 ERA.

 

Jake Peavy (2.85/137)

1 GS, 4.0 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 8 SO, 1 HR, 9.00 ERA.

 

Chris Volstad (2.88/145)

2 GS, 12.0 IP, 12 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 5 BB, 9 SO, 1 HR, 3.00 ERA.

 

Ben Sheets (3.09/141)

5 GS, 21.0 IP, 22 H, 15 R, 13 ER, 12 BB, 16 SO, 3 HR, 5.57 ERA.

 

Chad Billingsley (3.14/141)

2 GS, 11.0 IP, 11 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 5 BB, 15 SO, 3 HR, 4.91 ERA.

 

Tim Hudson (3.17/130)

1 GS, 6.2 IP, 7 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 5 SO, 0 HR, 1.35 ERA.

 

Adam Wainwright (3.20/133)

2 GS, 11.1 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 10 SO, 0 HR, 2.38 ERA.

 

Edison Volquez (3.21/140)

2 GS, 12.0 IP, 8 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 10 BB, 17 SO, 0 HR, 0.75 ERA.

 

Derek Lowe (3.24/136)

2 GS, 14.0 IP, 10 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 9 SO, 1 HR, 1.93 ERA.

 

Dan Haren (3.33/137)

1 GS, 7.0 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 5 SO, 0 HR, 2.57 ERA.

 

Roy Oswalt (3.54/120)

2 GS, 15.0 IP, 14 H, 6 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 3 SO, 1 HR, 3.00 ERA.

 

James Shields (3.56/122)

1 GS, 6.1 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 9 SO, 0 HR, 4.26 ERA.

 

Josh Johnson (3.61/116)

2 GS, 11.1 IP, 12 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 6 BB, 16 SO, 3 HR, 3.97 ERA.

 

Jeremy Guthrie (3.63/122)

1 GS, 6.0 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 2 SO, 2 HR, 6.00 ERA.

 

Todd Wellemeyer (3.71/115)

4 GS, 21.2 IP, 21 H, 10 R, 8 ER, 9 BB, 14 SO, 2 HR, 3.32 ERA.

 

Hiroki Kuroda (3.73/119)

2 GS, 15.1 IP, 11 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 14 SO, 0 HR, 0.59 ERA.

 

Matt Cain (3.76/114)

2 GS, 15.0 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 6 BB, 19 SO, 0 HR, 0.00 ERA.

 

Kyle Lohse (3.78/113)

3 GS, 18.1 IP, 23 H, 13 R, 13 ER, 6 BB, 11 SO, 2 HR, 6.38 ERA.

 

Jorge Campillo (3.91/105)

1 GS, 5.0 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 5 SO, 0 HR, 9.00 ERA.

 

Aaron Cook (3.96/117)

2 GS, 14.1 IP, 14 H, 9 R, 9 ER, 4 BB, 8 SO, 3 HR, 5.65 ERA.

 

Ubaldo Jiminez (3.99/116)

1 GS, 5 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 5 SO, 0 HR, 5.40 ERA.

Edited October 6, 2008 by Cubs 32

[UMFan83]

Someone want to add it all up?

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Cubs offense did well against most pitchers. Its just the 3 we ran into in October that kept them down, and I get the feeling that pretty much any pitcher would have shut them down at that point.

[jersey cubs fan]

Someone want to add it all up?

 

Good RH pitching can shut the Cubs down, although it's hardly a surefire bet, and they can do the same thing to all other teams.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Someone want to add it all up?

 

Good RH pitching can shut the Cubs down, although it's hardly a surefire bet, and they can do the same thing to all other teams.

good thing you had all those numbers to help you come to that conclusion, eh?

[Guest]

262.2 IP, 361 H, 104 ER, 94 BB, 228 K, 24 HR, 3.56 ERA

[UK1679666180]

You should differentiate power RH'ed arms as well.

[cubsfan5150]

How did the rest of the league do against these guys though, I'd be willing to bet we did about as well as most of the other teams.

[Cubs 32]

How did the rest of the league do against these guys though, I'd be willing to bet we did about as well as most of the other teams.

 

No doubt, as these pitchers have good season numbers for a reason. I just posted this because I read a lot of "good RH starting pitching shuts the Cubs down", or "the Cubs can't hit good RH starting pitching"...especially in light of their recent playoff failure. Of course this list/numbers has its flaws as well, but it was the best I could come up with.

[Cubs 32]

You should differentiate power RH'ed arms as well.

 

Top 10 in the NL K/9 vs. the Cubs this season.

 

Pitcher (K/9)

T. Lincecum (10.51)

2 GS, 14.0 IP, 13 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 17 SO, 0 HR, 2.57 ERA.

 

E. Volquez (9.46)

2 GS, 12.0 IP, 8 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 10 BB, 17 SO, 0 HR, 0.75 ERA.

 

C. Billingsley (9.01)

2 GS, 11.0 IP, 11 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 5 BB, 15 SO, 3 HR, 4.91 ERA.

 

J. Peavy (8.60)

1 GS, 4.0 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 8 SO, 1 HR, 9.00 ERA.

 

D. Haren (8.58)

1 GS, 7.0 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 5 SO, 0 HR, 2.57 ERA.

 

J. Cueto (8.17)

4 GS, 25.0 IP, 26 H, 14 R, 13 ER, 7 BB, 23 SO, 4 HR, 4.68 ERA.

 

J. Johnson (7.94)

2 GS, 11.1 IP, 12 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 6 BB, 16 SO, 3 HR, 3.97 ERA.

 

J. Maine (7.84)

1 GS, 6.0 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 6 SO, 1 HR, 3.00 ERA.

 

U. Jiminez (7.79)

1 GS, 5.0 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 5 SO, 0 HR, 5.40 ERA.

 

B. Myers (7.72)

2 GS, 15.0 IP, 16 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 0 BB, 13 SO, 3 HR, 3.00 ERA.

 

Totals: 18 GS, 110.1 IP, 110 H, 47 R, 45 ER, 39 BB, 125 SO, 15 HR, 3.67 ERA.

[Tyrant]

So, in short, good RH pitchers are good against the Cubs. Could it be because they're good?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So, in short, good RH pitchers are good against the Cubs. Could it be because they're good?

 

Exactly how good are they against the rest of the league? If they turn the Cubs offense into the rest of the league's, that's a pretty big advantage wiped out for the Cubs.

 

But this theory is about 90% in the grave.

[Fred Hornkohl]

03/31 - 10/04      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
vs Carpenter       19    4    6    2    0    0    2    2    2  0.316  0.364  0.421  0.785  0.353  2.91  0.048  0.250
vs Gallardo        23    3    9    1    0    1    3    1    4  0.391  0.400  0.565  0.965  0.444  3.56  0.009  0.200
vs Lincecum        54    4   13    4    0    0    4    2   17  0.241  0.281  0.315  0.596  0.351  3.98  0.040  0.148
vs Halladay        24    6    7    0    1    1    5    1    5  0.292  0.320  0.500  0.820  0.333  3.80  0.028  0.308
vs Peavy           20    4    7    1    0    1    4    2    8  0.350  0.409  0.550  0.959  0.545  3.95  0.059  0.188
vs Volstad         44    4   12    4    0    1    2    5    9  0.273  0.360  0.432  0.792  0.324  4.02  0.087  0.048
vs Sheets          83   15   22    4    1    3   15   12   16  0.265  0.343  0.446  0.789  0.297  3.89  0.078  0.279
vs Billingsley     67    7   16    3    0    3    7    6   22  0.239  0.301  0.418  0.719  0.310  3.79  0.063  0.148
vs Hudson          24    1    7    0    0    0    1    1    5  0.292  0.308  0.292  0.599  0.368  3.92  0.016  0.111
vs Wainright       43    3    8    4    0    0    3    4   10  0.186  0.271  0.279  0.550  0.242  4.00  0.085  0.136
vs Volquez         41    1    8    0    0    0    1   10   17  0.195  0.353  0.195  0.548  0.333  4.42  0.158  0.034
vs Lowe            73    5   17    2    0    2    5    5   15  0.233  0.282  0.342  0.625  0.268  3.54  0.049  0.100
vs Haren           26    2    5    2    0    0    2    2    5  0.192  0.250  0.269  0.519  0.238  3.93  0.058  0.200
vs Oswalt          56    6   14    2    1    1    4    1    3  0.250  0.263  0.375  0.638  0.250  3.41  0.013  0.143
vs Shields         25    3    7    2    0    0    1    2    9  0.280  0.333  0.360  0.693  0.438  3.78  0.053  0.100
vs Johnson         44    5   12    0    0    3    5    6   16  0.273  0.360  0.477  0.837  0.360  4.04  0.087  0.133
vs Guthrie         22    4    7    0    0    2    4    1    2  0.318  0.348  0.591  0.939  0.278  4.04  0.030  0.222
vs Wellemeyer      82   10   21    5    0    2    9    9   14  0.256  0.323  0.390  0.713  0.288  4.02  0.066  0.135
vs Kuroda          79    2   17    3    0    0    0    5   18  0.215  0.262  0.253  0.515  0.279  3.65  0.047  0.000
vs Cain            49    0    5    3    0    0    0    6   19  0.102  0.214  0.163  0.378  0.167  4.09  0.112  0.000
vs Lohse           76   13   23    6    2    2   12    6   11  0.303  0.354  0.513  0.867  0.333  3.80  0.051  0.323
vs Campillo        22    5    7    2    0    0    5    2    5  0.318  0.375  0.409  0.784  0.412  3.32  0.057  0.357
vs Cook            54    9   14    1    0    3    8    4    8  0.259  0.322  0.444  0.766  0.256  3.23  0.063  0.238
vs Jimemez         22    4    7    1    1    0    3    3    5  0.318  0.400  0.455  0.855  0.412  3.62  0.082  0.158

Totals           1072  120  271   52    6   25  105   98  245  0.253  0.316  0.382  0.698  0.307  3.80  0.063  0.158
season totals    5690  861 1577  336   21  185  815  642 1210  0.277  0.353  0.441  0.794  0.324  3.88  0.076  0.195

[Fred Hornkohl]

03/31 - 10/04      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
vs Lincecum        54    4   13    4    0    0    4    2   17  0.241  0.281  0.315  0.596  0.351  3.98  0.040  0.148
vs Volquez         41    1    8    0    0    0    1   10   17  0.195  0.353  0.195  0.548  0.333  4.42  0.158  0.034
vs Billingsley     67    7   16    3    0    3    7    6   22  0.239  0.301  0.418  0.719  0.310  3.79  0.063  0.148
vs Peavy           20    4    7    1    0    1    4    2    8  0.350  0.409  0.550  0.959  0.545  3.95  0.059  0.188
vs Haren           26    2    5    2    0    0    2    2    5  0.192  0.250  0.269  0.519  0.238  3.93  0.058  0.200
vs Cueto           96   14   26    8    1    4   10    7   23  0.271  0.346  0.500  0.846  0.319  3.80  0.075  0.118
vs Johnson         44    5   12    0    0    3    5    6   16  0.273  0.360  0.477  0.837  0.360  4.04  0.087  0.133
vs Maine           22    2    5    0    0    1    2    2    6  0.227  0.320  0.364  0.684  0.267  4.36  0.093  0.100
vs Jimemez         22    4    7    1    1    0    3    3    5  0.318  0.400  0.455  0.855  0.412  3.62  0.082  0.158
vs Myers           59    5   16    0    0    3    5    0   13  0.271  0.271  0.424  0.695  0.302  3.70  0.000  0.111

Totals            451   48  115   19    2   15   43   40  132  0.255  0.324  0.406  0.730  0.329  3.93  0.069  0.126
All pitchers     5690  861 1577  336   21  185  815  642 1210  0.277  0.353  0.441  0.794  0.324  3.88  0.076  0.195

[The Other 15]

I'll go out on a long limb here and predict that a good RH pitcher, given enough innings, will post good numbers against any team. Thus the term "good RH pitcher!"

 

Get over this postseason. No one in particular was to blame. The entire team, including Lou, was to blame. They ran into hot pitching and EVERY important player, DESPITE HOW POPULAR HERE, failed. Failed miserably. The few bright spots (Zmabrano, Dero early, and Lee late) wasn't enough.

 

Just like last seasons rants about how Arizona was light years ahead of the Cubs were ridiculous, this years belief that the Cubs were not built to win is just as silly.

 

Now, without further ado, lets get back to the predictable Soriano, Lee, Aram, and Zambrano bashing, while praising the very ordinary Theriot.

[Pushfrog98]

I remember a time when the cubs could ONLY hit RH pitching... and teams would throw a soft tossing lefty and the cubs would crap themselves.

[Soul]

Chad Billingsley (3.14/141)

2 GS, 11.0 IP, 11 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 5 BB, 15 SO, 3 HR, 4.91 ERA.

 

 

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[Mephistopheles]

95% of righties have no platoon spits against right-handed/left-handed as the number of PAs becomes large. There is very little sabermetric evidence to suggest otherwise.

[jaydee]

95% of righties have no platoon spits against right-handed/left-handed as the number of PAs becomes large. There is very little sabermetric evidence to suggest otherwise.

hitters or pitchers?

[Mephistopheles]

hitters

[Hairyducked Idiot]

hitters

 

Okay, color me confused then. Why does the league have one as a whole then?

[Tyrant]

hitters

 

Okay, color me confused then. Why does the league have one as a whole then?

 

Because Meph just says things sometimes.

[BigSlick]

Meph's right, though.

 

The only type of player to have exaggerated splits are certain types of lefties, and thats possibly a case of a self-fulfilling prophecy anyway. If young lefty hitters are expected to do poorly against lefty pitchers and are consistently taken out of games or not given opportunities they never will learn how to hit lefties and thus, turn out to be bad against lefties.

[Mephistopheles]

hitters

 

Okay, color me confused then. Why does the league have one as a whole then?

 

because those five percent are included? i shouldn't have been so blunt. i mean quality major league hitters. the reason is that the ones who can't hit righties are weeded out in the minors because they face them most of the time in the minors. the lefties who cant hit lefties can still make it through the minors, which is why more lefties in the majors experience higher platoon splits.

 

its like half the split for righties as lefties, but that gap narrows as the players get better

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Okay, related question:

 

If a batter has no platoon and a pitcher has a significant platoon, should the pitcher be expected to do better than normal against that batter?