College Football - Week of 10/11

[Andy]

Purdue, IU, and Michigan are all horrible. Northwestern is pretty good, but hasn't really played anyone yet either. Same for Minnesota. Illinois is probably not as good as they've appeared to be, but I'm willing to wait and see on them. Wisconsin has lost their only game against a good team (Fresno lost to Hawaii at home, which really puts a damper on Wisco's win there) plus blown the lead against UM. The Big Ten has a few good teams (Ohio State is still pretty good, and MSU is probably better than people are giving them credit for right now, and Penn State is obviously quite good themselves), but it's still not a very good league this year. Probably better than last year, but not very good.

[bukie]

The Big Ten is a lot deeper than it looked at first glance. After Penn State and Ohio State, there's a cluster of 4-5 teams in the 21-30 range (Northwestern, Michigan State, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota?). In a year where Michigan might be the 9th place team in the conference, it says more about how good the rest of the teams in the conference have been than how bad Michigan is (although, they are bad, don't get me wrong).

 

The SEC is still the best conference top to bottom, but the Big Ten could actually be in the discussions for #2 (Big 12 has 5 great teams, but they are incredibly top-heavy), which almost seemed silly at the beginning of the year.

 

Man I disagree with a lot of this post. Michigan is bad. That's why they're the ninth best team in the conference. It has little to do with the overall strength of the Big Ten.

 

The Big 12 is way better. Way. They have 3, maybe 4 teams that would win the Big 10 easily. (MU, UT, OU, maybe TT.) KU and Okie State would be in the top echelon of the Big 10, too. CU would be a middling team. The rest of the Big 12 is average to awful, but it's certainly not worse than the middle to bottom part of the Big 10.

 

Penn State has been just as good as anyone in the Big 12, so any of them winning easily is laughable. Those 4 are better than anyone else in the conference, though. OK State is probably better than anyone else other than Ohio State also, but after that, I'd probably list Michigan State, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin. KU and Minnesota have eerily similar resumes this year, actually, and nobody thinks anything of Minnesota. Kansas is probably ranked more on their merit from last year than anything they've done so far this year. They beat nobody and lost to a South Florida team that is only ranked because people feel the need to keep someone in the Big East ranked (Scary enough, Pitt may be the best team in that conference). Iowa and Nebraska are also similar. After that, in the Big Ten we have Michigan, Purdue and Indiana, and the Big 12 has Colorado, Kansas State, Iowa State, Texas A&M and Baylor. Colorado is probably the best team of that lot, Kansas State, Michigan and Purdue are similar, and the other 4 are really really bad.

 

So, in summary, the Big 12 has more highs and more lows, while the Big 10 has a lot of decent teams, with one great and one awful team.

[snoodmonger]

UT, MU, and OU would donglash anyone in the Big 10. KU is ranked based on its previous year and the fact it returned a bunch of starters. And losing on the road in a short week to a ranked team by a last second field goal isn't that bad a loss. That said, I think KU is a bit overrated.

 

I'd put KU and Illinois as similar teams.

 

It's impossible to say how good NW is. Wiscy has looked decidedly mediocre. Who knows what's up with MN.

 

No question, the Big 12 has some bad teams in it (Baylor, aTm, KSU.) But it's a far superior conference to the Big 10, which has one legit national title contender in it in PSU. (Sorry tOSU.) And PSU is severely outclassed by maybe 4 teams in the Big XII, with 2 more probably having the ability to beat them 3 out of 10 times. (KU and Okie State.)

[bukie]

Missouri beat Illinois by 10 on a "neutral" field (yes, I know the distance is equal, but nobody on the Missouri side of the state line roots for Illinois, so let's stop calling it a neutral field), and PSU beat Illinois by 14 at home. Neither game was a "donglashing", and Illinois isn't even the second best team in the Big Ten right now, so to say that Missouri, Texas and Oklahoma would crush anyone in the Big Ten is hyperbole at best, and an outright fable at worst.

 

I think you overrate the difference between the top of the Big 12 and the top half of the Big Ten quite a bit.

[Flames24Rulz]

Still can't believe that Northwestern and Ball State are both ranked in at least one poll

Don't worry, only half of that will be true next week. MSU is going to clobber Northwestern (sorry Jon).

 

I really doubt that. In fact, I think NW is going to win that game.

[wekse]

UT, MU, and OU would donglash anyone in the Big 10. KU is ranked based on its previous year and the fact it returned a bunch of starters. And losing on the road in a short week to a ranked team by a last second field goal isn't that bad a loss. That said, I think KU is a bit overrated.

 

I'd put KU and Illinois as similar teams.

 

It's impossible to say how good NW is. Wiscy has looked decidedly mediocre. Who knows what's up with MN.

 

No question, the Big 12 has some bad teams in it (Baylor, aTm, KSU.) But it's a far superior conference to the Big 10, which has one legit national title contender in it in PSU. (Sorry tOSU.) And PSU is severely outclassed by maybe 4 teams in the Big XII, with 2 more probably having the ability to beat them 3 out of 10 times. (KU and Okie State.)

 

your mother was a snowblower.

[Flames24Rulz]

Missouri beat Illinois by 10 on a "neutral" field (yes, I know the distance is equal, but nobody on the Missouri side of the state line roots for Illinois, so let's stop calling it a neutral field), and PSU beat Illinois by 14 at home. Neither game was a "donglashing", and Illinois isn't even the second best team in the Big Ten right now, so to say that Missouri, Texas and Oklahoma would crush anyone in the Big Ten is hyperbole at best, and an outright fable at worst.

 

I think you overrate the difference between the top of the Big 12 and the top half of the Big Ten quite a bit.

 

The Missouri game was a 17 point game before Illinois scored a meaningless TD with literally five seconds left in the game. And if Penn State had Urban Meyer for their coach, they would've won that game by 21. I was happy just to see Illinois in the PSU game until the 4th, but they weren't really close to Missouri.

 

I think the Big 10 is below average once again this year, as evident to Ohio State's massive beatdown at the hands of USC. Sure Beanie Wells was out for that game, but does he make up a 31 point deficit? Not at all. I'm really impressed with Penn State; they should win the Big Ten title quite easily I would think. Wisconsin has been a major disappointment. Turns out that win on the road at Fresno wasn't all that it was cracked up to be as it took Fresno double OT to beat a real bad Toledo team and then they lost at HOME to a real bad Hawaii team. I do think Northwestern is a legit 4th or 5th place team in the Big 10 this year. They actually have a real defense for the first time that I can ever remember. Michigan State and Minnesota both look average. Nothing that they've done has really made me believe that they're good or great teams though. The rest of the conference is just bad.

[snoodmonger]

Missouri beat Illinois by 10 on a "neutral" field (yes, I know the distance is equal, but nobody on the Missouri side of the state line roots for Illinois, so let's stop calling it a neutral field), and PSU beat Illinois by 14 at home. Neither game was a "donglashing", and Illinois isn't even the second best team in the Big Ten right now, so to say that Missouri, Texas and Oklahoma would crush anyone in the Big Ten is hyperbole at best, and an outright fable at worst.

 

I think you overrate the difference between the top of the Big 12 and the top half of the Big Ten quite a bit.

 

That final score of the Missouri game is a bit misleading and you know it. UI scored a meaningless TD with no time left to bring them back to within 10. And I believe Maclin missed a big portion of the game, too. Was the game a blowout? No. But Mizzou won it fairly handily. C'mon. Don't put me in the lame position of having to defend those clowns.

 

In summary: Donglashings aplenty from the Big 12's top 3 if they played in the Big 10.

[snoodmonger]

UT, MU, and OU would donglash anyone in the Big 10. KU is ranked based on its previous year and the fact it returned a bunch of starters. And losing on the road in a short week to a ranked team by a last second field goal isn't that bad a loss. That said, I think KU is a bit overrated.

 

I'd put KU and Illinois as similar teams.

 

It's impossible to say how good NW is. Wiscy has looked decidedly mediocre. Who knows what's up with MN.

 

No question, the Big 12 has some bad teams in it (Baylor, aTm, KSU.) But it's a far superior conference to the Big 10, which has one legit national title contender in it in PSU. (Sorry tOSU.) And PSU is severely outclassed by maybe 4 teams in the Big XII, with 2 more probably having the ability to beat them 3 out of 10 times. (KU and Okie State.)

 

your mother was a snowblower.

 

jerk

[bukie]

Still can't believe that Northwestern and Ball State are both ranked in at least one poll

Don't worry, only half of that will be true next week. MSU is going to clobber Northwestern (sorry Jon).

 

I really doubt that. In fact, I think NW is going to win that game.

 

It'll probably be a close game, as I think MSU is a slightly better team, but with NW at home it will offset the difference.

[bukie]

Missouri beat Illinois by 10 on a "neutral" field (yes, I know the distance is equal, but nobody on the Missouri side of the state line roots for Illinois, so let's stop calling it a neutral field), and PSU beat Illinois by 14 at home. Neither game was a "donglashing", and Illinois isn't even the second best team in the Big Ten right now, so to say that Missouri, Texas and Oklahoma would crush anyone in the Big Ten is hyperbole at best, and an outright fable at worst.

 

I think you overrate the difference between the top of the Big 12 and the top half of the Big Ten quite a bit.

 

That final score of the Missouri game is a bit misleading and you know it. UI scored a meaningless TD with no time left to bring them back to within 10. And I believe Maclin missed a big portion of the game, too. Was the game a blowout? No. But Mizzou won it fairly handily. C'mon. Don't put me in the lame position of having to defend those clowns.

 

In summary: Donglashings aplenty from the Big 12's top 3 if they played in the Big 10.

 

It was a 10 point game for a good portion of the second half too. Mizzou scored a TD with 5 minutes left to make it 17. It wasn't a one-score game, but it wasn't won handily either, and the outcome was very much in doubt until the last 5 minutes.

[rchap24]

Still can't believe that Northwestern and Ball State are both ranked in at least one poll

Don't worry, only half of that will be true next week. MSU is going to clobber Northwestern (sorry Jon).

 

I really doubt that. In fact, I think NW is going to win that game.

 

It'll probably be a close game, as I think MSU is a slightly better team, but with NW at home it will offset the difference.

 

Agreed. I think Ringer will prove just to much, but Northwestern could stick with for a while

[bukie]

I'm also not saying that the Big Ten is for certain the second best conference in the nation. I'm just saying a reasonable argument can be made, and it can. The conference isn't nearly as bad as most people are making it out to be, and nowhere near as bad as the ACC, Pac-10 or Big East. Yes, even though USC is probably still the best team in the country.

 

It really isn't a ridiculous position to argue.

[rchap24]

I'm also not saying that the Big Ten is for certain the second best conference in the nation. I'm just saying a reasonable argument can be made, and it can. The conference isn't nearly as bad as most people are making it out to be, and nowhere near as bad as the ACC, Pac-10 or Big East. Yes, even though USC is probably still the best team in the country.

 

It really isn't a ridiculous position to argue.

 

It's third....1A) SEC 1B) very close behind Big 12 2/3) Big Ten I'd say

[Vanilla Ice]

Purdue, IU, and Michigan are all horrible. Northwestern is pretty good, but hasn't really played anyone yet either. Same for Minnesota. Illinois is probably not as good as they've appeared to be, but I'm willing to wait and see on them. Wisconsin has lost their only game against a good team (Fresno lost to Hawaii at home, which really puts a damper on Wisco's win there) plus blown the lead against UM. The Big Ten has a few good teams (Ohio State is still pretty good, and MSU is probably better than people are giving them credit for right now, and Penn State is obviously quite good themselves), but it's still not a very good league this year. Probably better than last year, but not very good.

cough*Duke*cough

 

one penalty away from winning that game

[Butterscup1679666578]

Missouri beat Illinois by 10 on a "neutral" field (yes, I know the distance is equal, but nobody on the Missouri side of the state line roots for Illinois, so let's stop calling it a neutral field), and PSU beat Illinois by 14 at home. Neither game was a "donglashing", and Illinois isn't even the second best team in the Big Ten right now, so to say that Missouri, Texas and Oklahoma would crush anyone in the Big Ten is hyperbole at best, and an outright fable at worst.

 

I think you overrate the difference between the top of the Big 12 and the top half of the Big Ten quite a bit.

 

That final score of the Missouri game is a bit misleading and you know it. UI scored a meaningless TD with no time left to bring them back to within 10. And I believe Maclin missed a big portion of the game, too. Was the game a blowout? No. But Mizzou won it fairly handily. C'mon. Don't put me in the lame position of having to defend those clowns.

 

In summary: Donglashings aplenty from the Big 12's top 3 if they played in the Big 10.

 

Aww how nice. Want me to get you a Mizzou shirt?

[imb]

Missouri beat Illinois by 10 on a "neutral" field (yes, I know the distance is equal, but nobody on the Missouri side of the state line roots for Illinois, so let's stop calling it a neutral field), and PSU beat Illinois by 14 at home. Neither game was a "donglashing", and Illinois isn't even the second best team in the Big Ten right now, so to say that Missouri, Texas and Oklahoma would crush anyone in the Big Ten is hyperbole at best, and an outright fable at worst.

 

I think you overrate the difference between the top of the Big 12 and the top half of the Big Ten quite a bit.

 

That final score of the Missouri game is a bit misleading and you know it. UI scored a meaningless TD with no time left to bring them back to within 10. And I believe Maclin missed a big portion of the game, too. Was the game a blowout? No. But Mizzou won it fairly handily. C'mon. Don't put me in the lame position of having to defend those clowns.

 

In summary: Donglashings aplenty from the Big 12's top 3 if they played in the Big 10.

 

Aww how nice. Want me to get you a Mizzou shirt?

 

TRUE STORY: Chase Daniel shirts only come in XL (cause he's fat)

[snoodmonger]

Missouri beat Illinois by 10 on a "neutral" field (yes, I know the distance is equal, but nobody on the Missouri side of the state line roots for Illinois, so let's stop calling it a neutral field), and PSU beat Illinois by 14 at home. Neither game was a "donglashing", and Illinois isn't even the second best team in the Big Ten right now, so to say that Missouri, Texas and Oklahoma would crush anyone in the Big Ten is hyperbole at best, and an outright fable at worst.

 

I think you overrate the difference between the top of the Big 12 and the top half of the Big Ten quite a bit.

 

That final score of the Missouri game is a bit misleading and you know it. UI scored a meaningless TD with no time left to bring them back to within 10. And I believe Maclin missed a big portion of the game, too. Was the game a blowout? No. But Mizzou won it fairly handily. C'mon. Don't put me in the lame position of having to defend those clowns.

 

In summary: Donglashings aplenty from the Big 12's top 3 if they played in the Big 10.

 

Aww how nice. Want me to get you a Mizzou shirt?

 

if we ever meet, i'm gonna punch you right in the snatch.

[Exile on Waveland]

UT, MU, and OU would donglash anyone in the Big 10.

 

I think you seriously underestimate Penn State.

[woodprior04]

I don't know how anyone could argue that the Big 10 is better than the Big 12. The Big 12 has four teams ranked in the top 7, the Big 10 has one. The Big 12 has six ranked teams, the Big 10 has three. The bottom feeders of the Big 10 (Iowa, IU, Michigan) might be better than those in the Big 12 (Baylor, ISU, A&M) but it still doesn't come close making up for how much better the top of the Big 12 is. The Big 12 has four teams that would have a legitimate chance at going undefeated in the Big 10 (and who knows what KU and OK St. would do), while PSU is the only team that would stand a chance in the Big 12 (OSU is [expletive]). When it's all said and done, the Big 12 might be the best conference in the nation this season.

[snoodmonger]

UT, MU, and OU would donglash anyone in the Big 10.

 

I think you seriously underestimate Penn State.

 

That is very possible.

[Mephistopheles]

Penn State could beat Missouri and Texas. They'd give Oklahoma a run for their money. Penn State is as good as the top three in the Big XII, who honestly have yet to play anyone real good. SEC cannibalism is in full swing, Big XII cannibalism is next week. Big Ten cannibalism is well, basically Penn State eating cake. Really, right now the NC *should* be Big XII winner versus SEC Winner. Both conferences have three or four outstanding teams. The most likely scenario is that the conference winner has one loss. Someone will have to take out the Joe Paternos if the NC wants to become Big XII versus SEC.

 

 

Seriously if UT runs through their schedule with one loss (say to OU) they would have two wins over Missouri and a win over Texas Tech. If Bama runs through their schedule they will have wins over Georgia and LSU as well as a second one over Georgia or Florida. You can basically insert in Georgia, LSU or Florida for Bama and Oklahoma and Missouri for Texas and come out with the same scenario. But Penn State will have quality wins over Ohio State?

 

Im not saying PSU isn't in the class of {OU, USC, Mizzou, UF, LSU, UGA, Bama, UT}, I'm just saying that as an undefeated team should two of the one loss SEC/Big XII teams jump them? The answer is probably yes. Voters love W-L too much so it won't happen.

 

I will say that a non Big XII or SEC team won't make the NC with 1 or more losses. Unless the Big XII or SEC teams become total sham and everyone in the conference has at least two losses - which in the SEC's case you can still make the argument that a two loss SEC team is more than likely better than a one loss Big Ten team.

 

In the end the system sucks. Give me an eight team playoff - no conference affiliations for auto-bids.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Missouri beat Illinois by 10 on a "neutral" field (yes, I know the distance is equal, but nobody on the Missouri side of the state line roots for Illinois, so let's stop calling it a neutral field), and PSU beat Illinois by 14 at home. Neither game was a "donglashing", and Illinois isn't even the second best team in the Big Ten right now, so to say that Missouri, Texas and Oklahoma would crush anyone in the Big Ten is hyperbole at best, and an outright fable at worst.

 

I think you overrate the difference between the top of the Big 12 and the top half of the Big Ten quite a bit.

 

That final score of the Missouri game is a bit misleading and you know it. UI scored a meaningless TD with no time left to bring them back to within 10. And I believe Maclin missed a big portion of the game, too. Was the game a blowout? No. But Mizzou won it fairly handily. C'mon. Don't put me in the lame position of having to defend those clowns.

 

In summary: Donglashings aplenty from the Big 12's top 3 if they played in the Big 10.

 

Aww how nice. Want me to get you a Mizzou shirt?

 

TRUE STORY: Chase Daniel shirts only come in XL (cause he's fat)

 

As someone who wears 2XL shirts I don't know if I'm just confused or offended.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Missouri beat Illinois by 10 on a "neutral" field (yes, I know the distance is equal, but nobody on the Missouri side of the state line roots for Illinois, so let's stop calling it a neutral field), and PSU beat Illinois by 14 at home. Neither game was a "donglashing", and Illinois isn't even the second best team in the Big Ten right now, so to say that Missouri, Texas and Oklahoma would crush anyone in the Big Ten is hyperbole at best, and an outright fable at worst.

 

I think you overrate the difference between the top of the Big 12 and the top half of the Big Ten quite a bit.

 

That final score of the Missouri game is a bit misleading and you know it. UI scored a meaningless TD with no time left to bring them back to within 10. And I believe Maclin missed a big portion of the game, too. Was the game a blowout? No. But Mizzou won it fairly handily. C'mon. Don't put me in the lame position of having to defend those clowns.

 

In summary: Donglashings aplenty from the Big 12's top 3 if they played in the Big 10.

 

Aww how nice. Want me to get you a Mizzou shirt?

 

if we ever meet, i'm gonna punch you right in the snatch.

 

I'll use the Mizzou shirt I bought you to block it.

[imb]

Missouri beat Illinois by 10 on a "neutral" field (yes, I know the distance is equal, but nobody on the Missouri side of the state line roots for Illinois, so let's stop calling it a neutral field), and PSU beat Illinois by 14 at home. Neither game was a "donglashing", and Illinois isn't even the second best team in the Big Ten right now, so to say that Missouri, Texas and Oklahoma would crush anyone in the Big Ten is hyperbole at best, and an outright fable at worst.

 

I think you overrate the difference between the top of the Big 12 and the top half of the Big Ten quite a bit.

 

That final score of the Missouri game is a bit misleading and you know it. UI scored a meaningless TD with no time left to bring them back to within 10. And I believe Maclin missed a big portion of the game, too. Was the game a blowout? No. But Mizzou won it fairly handily. C'mon. Don't put me in the lame position of having to defend those clowns.

 

In summary: Donglashings aplenty from the Big 12's top 3 if they played in the Big 10.

 

Aww how nice. Want me to get you a Mizzou shirt?

 

if we ever meet, i'm gonna punch you right in the snatch.

 

I'll use the Mizzou shirt I bought you to block it.

 

ask snood who people say he physically resembles irl (hint: it's a big 12 north QB)