Post game discussion

[Amie]

Another Billingsley stat that makes me feel good. He ranked 8th in walks this season and we have the team that takes the most walks. We just faced the guy with the 27th best BB/9 rate and Billingsley is 159th in the NL. Billingsley walks 3.59 batters per 9 innings. Just another statistic that shows that we should have a chance. Billingsley plays into one of our great strengths.

 

 

He might walk even more with this being his first playoff game....sort of like what happened to Dempster. Overwhelmed by it all.

[inari]

Another Billingsley stat that makes me feel good. He ranked 8th in walks this season and we have the team that takes the most walks. We just faced the guy with the 27th best BB/9 rate and Billingsley is 159th in the NL. Billingsley walks 3.59 batters per 9 innings. Just another statistic that shows that we should have a chance. Billingsley plays into one of our great strengths.

 

 

He might walk even more with this being his first playoff game....sort of like what happened to Dempster. Overwhelmed by it all.

 

I feel A LOT better against Billingsley than I do against Lowe.

[17 Seconds]

 

What sample are you talking about? We have the entire sample of baseball history to tell us how hard it is to win 3 games out of any four.

 

Here's how I look at it: The Cubs lost the first game of the season this year. It sucked. Then they won 3 of the next 4. Then they hit the road and won 3 of 4. Then they won 3 of the next 4. They've won 3 out of 4 games lots of times this year. Course the Dodgers have won 2 of 4 lots of times too, I bet. But the point is, no one wants to hear objective analysis right now. They want to bitch and whine with other people who feel as bad as they do, and maybe receive a little hope if it's available from anyone. Going around showing off how uninvested you are in the team may make you feel all superior, but it's probably not helpful to very many people, just in case you were thinking it was.

 

Can people go four posts in this thread without telling me what my emotions are? I know how I feel, and so far it's not what you people keep trying to ascribe to me.

 

This is the Cubs message board. We talk about the Cubs.

 

Statistical analysis has a lot to do with our talk about the Cubs.

 

Until I see a sign that says "no statistical analysis when it looks bad for the Cubs," I'm going to continue to post statistical analysis about the Cubs, good or bad.

 

Still waiting for you to post the statistic I asked for

 

Refresh my memory. Which?

I believe that would be what is the all time record of teams losing game 1 of a division series.

 

No, I was asking what the odds of the Cubs winning would be if they won tomorrow.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

What sample are you talking about? We have the entire sample of baseball history to tell us how hard it is to win 3 games out of any four.

 

Here's how I look at it: The Cubs lost the first game of the season this year. It sucked. Then they won 3 of the next 4. Then they hit the road and won 3 of 4. Then they won 3 of the next 4. They've won 3 out of 4 games lots of times this year. Course the Dodgers have won 2 of 4 lots of times too, I bet. But the point is, no one wants to hear objective analysis right now. They want to bitch and whine with other people who feel as bad as they do, and maybe receive a little hope if it's available from anyone. Going around showing off how uninvested you are in the team may make you feel all superior, but it's probably not helpful to very many people, just in case you were thinking it was.

 

Can people go four posts in this thread without telling me what my emotions are? I know how I feel, and so far it's not what you people keep trying to ascribe to me.

 

This is the Cubs message board. We talk about the Cubs.

 

Statistical analysis has a lot to do with our talk about the Cubs.

 

Until I see a sign that says "no statistical analysis when it looks bad for the Cubs," I'm going to continue to post statistical analysis about the Cubs, good or bad.

 

Still waiting for you to post the statistic I asked for

 

Refresh my memory. Which?

I believe that would be what is the all time record of teams losing game 1 of a division series.

 

No, I was asking what the odds of the Cubs winning would be if they won tomorrow.

 

If they win tomorrow, I'd say slightly less than they were before the series started, so somewhere in the 51-55% range.

[The Other 15]

I know that Billingsley is a very good young pitcher, but where is this notion that he's somehow unbeatable coming from?

 

Everyone that is saying this matchup is "favorable to the Dodgers" must be aware that in the last two months Billingsley has given up about a .290 BAA, right? They are sure to know that his whip in that time was roughly 1.50 as well? And they certainly must be aware that in 11 innings against the Cubs he had a 0-1 4.91/1.45 line?

 

Let tonight pass (I know it was a wreck in every way) and save the Billinsley praise for after the game if he deserves it.

 

Seriously, folks, they lost one game tonight not 3.

[The Other 15]

I know that Billingsley is a very good young pitcher, but where is this notion that he's somehow unbeatable coming from?

 

Everyone that is saying this matchup is "favorable to the Dodgers" must be aware that in the last two months Billingsley has given up about a .290 BAA, right? They are sure to know that his whip in that time was roughly 1.50 as well? And they certainly must be aware that in 11 innings against the Cubs he had a 0-1 4.91/1.45 line?

 

Let tonight pass (I know it was a wreck in every way) and save the Billinsley praise for after the game if he deserves it.

 

Seriously, folks, they lost one game tonight not 3.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I know that Billingsley is a very good young pitcher, but where is this notion that he's somehow unbeatable coming from?

 

Everyone that is saying this matchup is "favorable to the Dodgers" must be aware that in the last two months Billingsley has given up about a .290 BAA, right? They are sure to know that his whip in that time was roughly 1.50 as well? And they certainly must be aware that in 11 innings against the Cubs he had a 0-1 4.91/1.45 line?

 

Let tonight pass (I know it was a wreck in every way) and save the Billinsley praise for after the game if he deserves it.

 

Seriously, folks, they lost one game tonight not 3.

 

If you want to prove that this matchup isn't favorable to the Dodgers, breaking out recent results might not be the best way to do it. Zambrano hasn't exactly been lights-out, other than one epic start.

[Ender]

Reasons this series is far from over:

 

-We still have the best team in baseball

-We still have the best pitcher in baseball going in game 3, and this time he will be allowed to throw more than 6 innings

-Lilly has pitched outstanding the last 2 months, and is better than Maddux or Lowe on 3 days' rest

-There should be plenty of Cub fans when we go to LA

-We didn't use Marmol or Wood

 

Thats all I got. It all comes down to Z tomorrow. We win tomorrow and I think we win this series.

 

This is the Cubs we are talking about right, not the Rays, Red Sox or Angels who are all better than them?

When did Sabathia, Lincecum, Halladay or Santana get traded to the Cubs?

Lilly has looked better lately, that is for sure

Dont' see how this matters much

Yeah the Cubs do well with a lead late.

[The Other 15]

Dude, knock yourself out in every worst case scenario you can imagine. But Billingsley has not been unbeatable. Which was the point I was making.

[Guest]

Reasons this series is far from over:

 

-We still have the best team in baseball

-We still have the best pitcher in baseball going in game 3, and this time he will be allowed to throw more than 6 innings

-Lilly has pitched outstanding the last 2 months, and is better than Maddux or Lowe on 3 days' rest

-There should be plenty of Cub fans when we go to LA

-We didn't use Marmol or Wood

 

Thats all I got. It all comes down to Z tomorrow. We win tomorrow and I think we win this series.

 

This is the Cubs we are talking about right, not the Rays, Red Sox or Angels who are all better than them?

When did Sabathia, Lincecum, Halladay or Santana get traded to the Cubs?

Lilly has looked better lately, that is for sure

Dont' see how this matters much

Yeah the Cubs do well with a lead late.

 

Careful, Brewer fan.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Dude, knock yourself out in every worst case scenario you can imagine. But Billingsley has not been unbeatable. Which was the point I was making.

 

Nobody said he was.

 

They said he was very good. And better this year than Zambrano.

[woodprior04]

Reasons this series is far from over:

 

-We still have the best team in baseball

-We still have the best pitcher in baseball going in game 3, and this time he will be allowed to throw more than 6 innings

-Lilly has pitched outstanding the last 2 months, and is better than Maddux or Lowe on 3 days' rest

-There should be plenty of Cub fans when we go to LA

-We didn't use Marmol or Wood

 

Thats all I got. It all comes down to Z tomorrow. We win tomorrow and I think we win this series.

 

This is the Cubs we are talking about right, not the Rays, Red Sox or Angels who are all better than them?

When did Sabathia, Lincecum, Halladay or Santana get traded to the Cubs?

Lilly has looked better lately, that is for sure

Dont' see how this matters much

Yeah the Cubs do well with a lead late.

 

The Cubs had more wins than each of those teams except the Angels. Unfortunately, the Angels run differential was +68 in a pathetic division, while the Cubs was 184 in the 2nd best division in baseball.

 

Harden had a 2.07 ERA and a 1.06 WHIP this season. He had 181 strikeouts in 148 innings. He may not pitch as often as the others, but when he's on the mound he's as good as it gets. And he should be allowed to go further than usual in Game 3.

 

It matters because although the Dodgers will have HFA in games 3 and 4, the Cubs will still have plenty of support unlike most teams playing in LA. Not a huge difference but it helps.

[Sosa21MVP]

Saying we have to win 3 out of the next 4 makes it sound impossible.

 

We just have to look at one game at a time. Win tomorrow, and we're tied with Rich Harden pitching Game 3.

 

Yeah I guess according to some people the Cubs would be better off winning Game 1 and losing Game 2 than losing Game 1 and winning Game 2....why, I don't know. In either case, you head into the remainder of the series needing 2 wins in 3 games. I seriously doubt the Cubs players are going to psyche themselves out tonight by thinking ZOMG WE NEED TO WIN 3 OF 4 IMPOSSIBLE OH NOEZ. Nah, they are just going to focus on evening up the series. Then it is a best 2 of 3. Go out to LA, maybe split then come back to Wrigley for a deciding Game 5. And as has been mentioned, the Cubs could throw Zambrano on his full 4 days rest for Game 5 so it doesn't necessarily have to be Dempster again. I'd imagine that if Big Z pitches well tomorrow and the Cubs win that Lou would pitch him in Game 5 as the "hot hand" or whatever.

 

If the Cubs do win tomorrow night, I feel good about ending the series in LA. Harden and Lilly can get it done.

[big_shooter17]

I know that Billingsley is a very good young pitcher, but where is this notion that he's somehow unbeatable coming from?

 

Everyone that is saying this matchup is "favorable to the Dodgers" must be aware that in the last two months Billingsley has given up about a .290 BAA, right? They are sure to know that his whip in that time was roughly 1.50 as well? And they certainly must be aware that in 11 innings against the Cubs he had a 0-1 4.91/1.45 line?

 

Let tonight pass (I know it was a wreck in every way) and save the Billinsley praise for after the game if he deserves it.

 

Seriously, folks, they lost one game tonight not 3.

 

If you want to prove that this matchup isn't favorable to the Dodgers, breaking out recent results might not be the best way to do it. Zambrano hasn't exactly been lights-out, other than one epic start.

 

Then he is due for a good one. The more that I think about things, the more that I realize that my confidence level is higher for tomorrow than it was for tonight. Kyle, you are just building my confidence more and more because I am realizing that your arguments are not all that strong while there are many signs that show that Billingsley is beatable.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I know that Billingsley is a very good young pitcher, but where is this notion that he's somehow unbeatable coming from?

 

Everyone that is saying this matchup is "favorable to the Dodgers" must be aware that in the last two months Billingsley has given up about a .290 BAA, right? They are sure to know that his whip in that time was roughly 1.50 as well? And they certainly must be aware that in 11 innings against the Cubs he had a 0-1 4.91/1.45 line?

 

Let tonight pass (I know it was a wreck in every way) and save the Billinsley praise for after the game if he deserves it.

 

Seriously, folks, they lost one game tonight not 3.

 

If you want to prove that this matchup isn't favorable to the Dodgers, breaking out recent results might not be the best way to do it. Zambrano hasn't exactly been lights-out, other than one epic start.

 

Then he is due for a good one. The more that I think about things, the more that I realize that my confidence level is higher for tomorrow than it was for tonight. Kyle, you are just building my confidence more and more because I am realizing that your arguments are not all that strong while there are many signs that show that Billingsley is beatable.

 

Of course he is beatable. No one ever said he wasn't. He's a little better than Zambrano, that's all. Dempster was better than Lowe, doesn't guarantee anything.

 

Im glad that you've found an excuse to build up your own expectations, though.

[cubsfan26]

Reasons this series is far from over:

 

-We still have the best team in baseball

-We still have the best pitcher in baseball going in game 3, and this time he will be allowed to throw more than 6 innings

-Lilly has pitched outstanding the last 2 months, and is better than Maddux or Lowe on 3 days' rest

-There should be plenty of Cub fans when we go to LA

-We didn't use Marmol or Wood

 

Thats all I got. It all comes down to Z tomorrow. We win tomorrow and I think we win this series.

 

This is the Cubs we are talking about right, not the Rays, Red Sox or Angels who are all better than them?

When did Sabathia, Lincecum, Halladay or Santana get traded to the Cubs?

Lilly has looked better lately, that is for sure

Dont' see how this matters much

Yeah the Cubs do well with a lead late.

 

 

Who says the Rays, Angels or Red Sox are all better than them? Only the Angels have a better record then them and they play in a crap division. On paper/stat wise were the Cubs are best team in baseball. So obviously thats your opinion only, and a very poor one. But we can't expect a Brewers fan to know a good team when he see's one.

 

 

The Cubs do have Rich Harden going, who might not be able to go as deep in games as Sabathia, Lincecum, Halladay or Santana, but his numbers are all better then those guys. So I'd take my chances with him going 6, and turning the game over to Marmol and Wood. Lilly has a 3.33 era in the second half, and is 17-6 with a 3.65 era since April 21st. So if Zambrano can pitch the way he's capable of pitching tomorrow and we can win, this series is far from over.

[ELCABALLO45]

Reasons this series is far from over:

 

-We still have the best team in baseball

-We still have the best pitcher in baseball going in game 3, and this time he will be allowed to throw more than 6 innings

-Lilly has pitched outstanding the last 2 months, and is better than Maddux or Lowe on 3 days' rest

-There should be plenty of Cub fans when we go to LA

-We didn't use Marmol or Wood

 

Thats all I got. It all comes down to Z tomorrow. We win tomorrow and I think we win this series.

 

This is the Cubs we are talking about right, not the Rays, Red Sox or Angels who are all better than them?

When did Sabathia, Lincecum, Halladay or Santana get traded to the Cubs?

Lilly has looked better lately, that is for sure

Dont' see how this matters much

Yeah the Cubs do well with a lead late.

 

 

Who says the Rays, Angels or Red Sox are all better than them? Only the Angels have a better record then them and they play in a crap division. On paper/stat wise were the Cubs are best team in baseball. So obviously thats your opinion only, and a very poor one. But we can't expect a Brewers fan to know a good team when he see's one.

 

 

The Cubs do have Rich Harden going, who might not be able to go as deep in games as Sabathia, Lincecum, Halladay or Santana, but his numbers are all better then those guys. So I'd take my chances with him going 6, and turning the game over to Marmol and Wood. Lilly has a 3.33 era in the second half, and is 17-6 with a 3.65 era since April 21st. So if Zambrano can pitch the way he's capable of pitching tomorrow and we can win, this series is far from over.

 

:scratch:

 

That was a little harsh...

[cubsfan26]

Reasons this series is far from over:

 

-We still have the best team in baseball

-We still have the best pitcher in baseball going in game 3, and this time he will be allowed to throw more than 6 innings

-Lilly has pitched outstanding the last 2 months, and is better than Maddux or Lowe on 3 days' rest

-There should be plenty of Cub fans when we go to LA

-We didn't use Marmol or Wood

 

Thats all I got. It all comes down to Z tomorrow. We win tomorrow and I think we win this series.

 

This is the Cubs we are talking about right, not the Rays, Red Sox or Angels who are all better than them?

When did Sabathia, Lincecum, Halladay or Santana get traded to the Cubs?

Lilly has looked better lately, that is for sure

Dont' see how this matters much

Yeah the Cubs do well with a lead late.

 

 

Who says the Rays, Angels or Red Sox are all better than them? Only the Angels have a better record then them and they play in a crap division. On paper/stat wise were the Cubs are best team in baseball. So obviously thats your opinion only, and a very poor one. But we can't expect a Brewers fan to know a good team when he see's one.

 

 

The Cubs do have Rich Harden going, who might not be able to go as deep in games as Sabathia, Lincecum, Halladay or Santana, but his numbers are all better then those guys. So I'd take my chances with him going 6, and turning the game over to Marmol and Wood. Lilly has a 3.33 era in the second half, and is 17-6 with a 3.65 era since April 21st. So if Zambrano can pitch the way he's capable of pitching tomorrow and we can win, this series is far from over.

 

:scratch:

 

That was a little harsh...

 

 

Your right that was a little harsh, and I'm sorry about that. I shouldn't have attacked all Brewers fans. But he picked the wrong night to come on the Cubs board, and say negative things about our team. It would be one thing if he actually had facts or stats to back up his comments, but they were his opinion only, and it's not needed when the Cubs just lost a big playoff game.

[Bote McBoteface]

It was a bad performance all the way around, but bottom line we're still a much better team. Even if we lose tomorrow we still have the better pitcher going in each of the three remaining games, and that's all you can ask for. I'm not worried quite yet. It sucks to open up the playoffs with such a craptastic performance team wide, but [expletive] happens.

[big_shooter17]

It was a bad performance all the way around, but bottom line we're still a much better team. Even if we lose tomorrow we still have the better pitcher going in each of the three remaining games, and that's all you can ask for. I'm not worried quite yet. It sucks to open up the playoffs with such a craptastic performance team wide, but Howry happens.

 

This was heartbreaking, but would it have been any better had we won close? A loss is a loss and tomorrow we go get 'em. Also, the Angels look like they'll lose game one and there is no way that both the Cubs and the Angels are eliminated, so here we go, let's go get 'em!

[David]

Well, considering the fact that I considered the Angels the inferior team in that series and expected the Red Sox to advance, that doesn't hold that much water.

 

But let's even it up tomorrow.

 

Don't even want to think about tonight's game.

 

Also... how the SOAPDROP did Manny hit that ball out?

[Bote McBoteface]

Well, considering the fact that I considered the Angels the inferior team in that series and expected the Red Sox to advance, that doesn't hold that much water.

 

But let's even it up tomorrow.

 

Don't even want to think about tonight's game.

 

Also... how the SOAPDROP did Manny hit that ball out?

 

 

I dunno, but after seeing him hit that ball that far, I really have no desire to ever play against him again. Sign him in the offseason, or pay him 10 million to sign in the AL.

[Outshined_One]

Well, considering the fact that I considered the Angels the inferior team in that series and expected the Red Sox to advance, that doesn't hold that much water.

 

But let's even it up tomorrow.

 

Don't even want to think about tonight's game.

 

Also... how the SOAPDROP did Manny hit that ball out?

 

 

I dunno, but after seeing him hit that ball that far, I really have no desire to ever play against him again. Sign him in the offseason, or pay him 10 million to sign in the AL.

 

It's not just that he hit the ball out. What gets me is the fact that he made it look effortless. When guys like A-Ram and Soriano hit those kinds of pitches out, it looks like they're putting a heck of a lot into it. Manny just made that look laughably easy.

[SweetZombieJesus]

I know that Billingsley is a very good young pitcher, but where is this notion that he's somehow unbeatable coming from?

 

Everyone that is saying this matchup is "favorable to the Dodgers" must be aware that in the last two months Billingsley has given up about a .290 BAA, right? They are sure to know that his whip in that time was roughly 1.50 as well? And they certainly must be aware that in 11 innings against the Cubs he had a 0-1 4.91/1.45 line?

 

Let tonight pass (I know it was a wreck in every way) and save the Billinsley praise for after the game if he deserves it.

 

Seriously, folks, they lost one game tonight not 3.

 

the fact that the pants crappers are so sure Z is gonna wet himself tommorrow.

[Guest]

So my first thought about the game was simply one word that begins with the letter F and isn't appropriate for the board.

 

But on the way home from work, the local rock station was having their Demandatory band for the night and it was Metallica. I came in during the middle of Judas Kiss but after that they played a song that I thought was appropriate and something the Cubs and us fans need to do -

. Edited October 2, 2008 by soccer10k