Jake Peavy: Available.

[RammyFanny]

Another reason i'd try and resign Dempster with Peavy (hopefully) is because without Demp, did we really improve all that much? Obviously, Peavy figures to be better than Dempster for the upcoming year, but I doubt even Peavy would reproduce what Dempster did last season. The upgrade from Dempster to Marquis would be what really improves the team.

 

The problem is that Dempster is very unlikely to duplicate his 2008, so Peavy would be necessary just to match what we got out of Demp last year.

 

And you're missing the key point..which is that we wouldn't be able to re-sign Wood if we had Peavy and Dempster, not to mention any other free agents.

 

So 2009 Peavy might not make us that much better than a 2008 Dempster would, but the loss of Wood make our bullpen significantly worse. If we lose Wood then our bullpen could be in serious trouble. I'd rather have a really good rotation and a good bullpen than a mega rotation with a crappy pen.

 

Bottom line is that Dempster would not be even remotely necessary.... Wood would. Plus it's very possible that Dempster isn't even much of an upgrade over Marquis next season. I'm not counting on Dempster.

How bad do you expect Dempster to be? I'm not expecting what he did last year, but I still think he can give a solid 3.40 with a 1.30 WHIP or so. I can't say the same for Marquis.

 

I just think it's easier to find a solid and cheap(er) bullpen guy than a Dempster like starter who will give you 200+ innings of well pitched baseball. Do we really want to be paying 8-10 millionish for Woody, instead of 12 million for Dempster, for 1 inning every few games(not to mention the injury history..not even including his blister problems)?

 

I mean i've got man love for the guy, but i'd rather allocate the money to a quality starter and get a decent bullpen arm who you think can have a good season through trade or FA.

 

I can see where your coming from though, but I guess i'm just thinking different.

 

I wouldn't go 5 years, though.

[mcgoobs]

Another reason i'd try and resign Dempster with Peavy (hopefully) is because without Demp, did we really improve all that much? Obviously, Peavy figures to be better than Dempster for the upcoming year, but I doubt even Peavy would reproduce what Dempster did last season. The upgrade from Dempster to Marquis would be what really improves the team.

 

The problem is that Dempster is very unlikely to duplicate his 2008, so Peavy would be necessary just to match what we got out of Demp last year.

 

And you're missing the key point..which is that we wouldn't be able to re-sign Wood if we had Peavy and Dempster, not to mention any other free agents.

 

So 2009 Peavy might not make us that much better than a 2008 Dempster would, but the loss of Wood make our bullpen significantly worse. If we lose Wood then our bullpen could be in serious trouble. I'd rather have a really good rotation and a good bullpen than a mega rotation with a crappy pen.

 

Bottom line is that Dempster would not be even remotely necessary.... Wood would. Plus it's very possible that Dempster isn't even much of an upgrade over Marquis next season. I'm not counting on Dempster.

 

Just to be clear: Are you saying you'd rather have Peavy+Wood or Dempster+Wood over Peavy+Dempster?

 

Even if both Peavy and Dempster decline, having above average to excellent starting pitchers is far more valuable to having one above average to excellent starting pitcher and bullpen arm.

 

This is aside from the fact that Wood, while great last year, has significant injury history which continued last year.

[17 Seconds]

Another reason i'd try and resign Dempster with Peavy (hopefully) is because without Demp, did we really improve all that much? Obviously, Peavy figures to be better than Dempster for the upcoming year, but I doubt even Peavy would reproduce what Dempster did last season. The upgrade from Dempster to Marquis would be what really improves the team.

 

The problem is that Dempster is very unlikely to duplicate his 2008, so Peavy would be necessary just to match what we got out of Demp last year.

 

And you're missing the key point..which is that we wouldn't be able to re-sign Wood if we had Peavy and Dempster, not to mention any other free agents.

 

So 2009 Peavy might not make us that much better than a 2008 Dempster would, but the loss of Wood make our bullpen significantly worse. If we lose Wood then our bullpen could be in serious trouble. I'd rather have a really good rotation and a good bullpen than a mega rotation with a crappy pen.

 

Bottom line is that Dempster would not be even remotely necessary.... Wood would. Plus it's very possible that Dempster isn't even much of an upgrade over Marquis next season. I'm not counting on Dempster.

How bad do you expect Dempster to be? I'm not expecting what he did last year, but I still think he can give a solid 3.40 with a 1.30 WHIP or so. I can't say the same for Marquis.

 

I just think it's easier to find a solid and cheap(er) bullpen guy than a Dempster like starter who will give you 200+ innings of well pitched baseball. Do we really want to be paying 8-10 millionish for Woody, instead of 12 million for Dempster, for 1 inning every few games(not to mention the injury history..not even including his blister problems)?

 

I mean i've got man love for the guy, but i'd rather allocate the money to a quality starter and get a decent bullpen arm who you think can have a good season through trade or FA.

 

I can see where your coming from though, but I guess i'm just thinking different.

 

I wouldn't go 5 years, though.

 

Well I didn't say I expected Dempster to be as bad as Marquis, I just said it's possible. I expect him to have an ERA around 4.

 

And yes, if we got Peavy I feel like it would be a no-brainer to use the rest of the money on Wood and not Dempster. You build you club based on needs and holes. With Peavy the rotation would be the absolute last thing that needed an upgrade, The bullpen without Wood is in big time need of an upgrade. Let's say Marmol steps into the closers role and does well (which isn't a guarantee anyways). Who pitches the 8th? The 7th? Now instead of having Marmol as the fireman/8th inning guy..we're going to Chad Gaudin? Samardzija? Cotts? Every game would be an adventure because we spent money on something we didn't need. It doesn't really matter how good your starting pitching is if you don't have guys to finish it. It's kind of like the Rangers continuing to use resources on hitting instead of pitching and then wondering why they score 9 runs every night but still lose.

[RammyFanny]

Kevin Towers on Talking Baseball

 

The Padres GM joined Bruce Levine and Carmen DeFalco on Saturday morning. Towers was extremely candid as well as complimentary about Jim Hendry. In bullet point format here are a few notes and quotes from the interview on ESPN 1000:

 

Towers wants the Peavy deal done sooner rather than later. He needs to see what he has for next season and the longer it goes it becomes harder for him to see what his needs are for next season.

 

If the GM Meetings would have lasted a couple of more nights, a deal for Peavy could have possible been done. Levine and Towers joked about the late nights (2:00 and 3:00am). Towers likes the GM Meetings. Way to look at other GM in the eye and figure out if there is wiggle room to do more. Likes the face-to-face meetings compared to the emails and cell phone calls.

 

Called Jim Hendry a good friend

 

Trying to orchestrate the trade with Peavy and Barry Axelrod

 

There is a hand full of clubs they think they match-up well with but Jake Peavy will make the ultimate decision. Once a deal is in the works that the Padres like, they will present to Peavy and go from there.

 

Towers said this is an important trade for the Padres. The trade not only needs to benefit the Padres but the other team involved. Towers added he always tries to put himself in the other GM's shoes.

 

Quote from Towers: "I do not think there is any deal that will be viewed as a good one in San Diego because of the popularity of Jake Peavy."

 

Quote from Towers: "Jimmy is the easiest to deal with of the three."

 

Towers said he trusts Jim Hendry and he knows Hendry realizes acquiring Jake Peavy will be 'expensive.'

 

Towers said it is not easy finding the optimal deal. If the Cubs end up with Peavy, great. If it is the Braves, great. If the Dodgers, great....or "we will just keep him."

 

Peavy sees Chicago as an attractive landing spot. He has always liked pitching at Wrigley. Rick Sutcliffe and Mark Grace are former clients of Barry Axelrod and they have told Peavy how great it is to play at Wrigley.

 

Towers said he could not say which team is the front-runner is to land Peavy.

 

Bruce Levine finished the segment by saying if Hendry can get it done, he will trade whatever is in the system, within reason, to bring Peavy to the Cubs.

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2008/11/cubsrumors11808.php

[RammyFanny]

Another reason i'd try and resign Dempster with Peavy (hopefully) is because without Demp, did we really improve all that much? Obviously, Peavy figures to be better than Dempster for the upcoming year, but I doubt even Peavy would reproduce what Dempster did last season. The upgrade from Dempster to Marquis would be what really improves the team.

 

The problem is that Dempster is very unlikely to duplicate his 2008, so Peavy would be necessary just to match what we got out of Demp last year.

 

And you're missing the key point..which is that we wouldn't be able to re-sign Wood if we had Peavy and Dempster, not to mention any other free agents.

 

So 2009 Peavy might not make us that much better than a 2008 Dempster would, but the loss of Wood make our bullpen significantly worse. If we lose Wood then our bullpen could be in serious trouble. I'd rather have a really good rotation and a good bullpen than a mega rotation with a crappy pen.

 

Bottom line is that Dempster would not be even remotely necessary.... Wood would. Plus it's very possible that Dempster isn't even much of an upgrade over Marquis next season. I'm not counting on Dempster.

How bad do you expect Dempster to be? I'm not expecting what he did last year, but I still think he can give a solid 3.40 with a 1.30 WHIP or so. I can't say the same for Marquis.

 

I just think it's easier to find a solid and cheap(er) bullpen guy than a Dempster like starter who will give you 200+ innings of well pitched baseball. Do we really want to be paying 8-10 millionish for Woody, instead of 12 million for Dempster, for 1 inning every few games(not to mention the injury history..not even including his blister problems)?

 

I mean i've got man love for the guy, but i'd rather allocate the money to a quality starter and get a decent bullpen arm who you think can have a good season through trade or FA.

 

I can see where your coming from though, but I guess i'm just thinking different.

 

I wouldn't go 5 years, though.

 

Well I didn't say I expected Dempster to be as bad as Marquis, I just said it's possible. I expect him to have an ERA around 4.

 

And yes, if we got Peavy I feel like it would be a no-brainer to use the rest of the money on Wood and not Dempster. You build you club based on needs and holes. With Peavy the rotation would be the absolute last thing that needed an upgrade, The bullpen without Wood is in big time need of an upgrade. Let's say Marmol steps into the closers role and does well (which isn't a guarantee anyways). Who pitches the 8th? The 7th? Now instead of having Marmol as the fireman/8th inning guy..we're going to Chad Gaudin? Samardzija? Cotts? Every game would be an adventure because we spent money on something we didn't need. It doesn't really matter how good your starting pitching is if you don't have guys to finish it. It's kind of like the Rangers continuing to use resources on hitting instead of pitching and then wondering why they score 9 runs every night but still lose.

Fair enough, but Wood is asking for 3 or 4 years at a good chunk of money. I'd be skeptical, considering we found out (last offseason I think) that he's pitching with a small tear in his shoulder that he won't have surgery on.

[17 Seconds]

Another reason i'd try and resign Dempster with Peavy (hopefully) is because without Demp, did we really improve all that much? Obviously, Peavy figures to be better than Dempster for the upcoming year, but I doubt even Peavy would reproduce what Dempster did last season. The upgrade from Dempster to Marquis would be what really improves the team.

 

The problem is that Dempster is very unlikely to duplicate his 2008, so Peavy would be necessary just to match what we got out of Demp last year.

 

And you're missing the key point..which is that we wouldn't be able to re-sign Wood if we had Peavy and Dempster, not to mention any other free agents.

 

So 2009 Peavy might not make us that much better than a 2008 Dempster would, but the loss of Wood make our bullpen significantly worse. If we lose Wood then our bullpen could be in serious trouble. I'd rather have a really good rotation and a good bullpen than a mega rotation with a crappy pen.

 

Bottom line is that Dempster would not be even remotely necessary.... Wood would. Plus it's very possible that Dempster isn't even much of an upgrade over Marquis next season. I'm not counting on Dempster.

 

Just to be clear: Are you saying you'd rather have Peavy+Wood or Dempster+Wood over Peavy+Dempster?

 

Even if both Peavy and Dempster decline, having above average to excellent starting pitchers is far more valuable to having one above average to excellent starting pitcher and bullpen arm.

 

This is aside from the fact that Wood, while great last year, has significant injury history which continued last year.

 

I want Peavy and Wood or another closer/proven reliever (Fuentes).

[17 Seconds]

Another reason i'd try and resign Dempster with Peavy (hopefully) is because without Demp, did we really improve all that much? Obviously, Peavy figures to be better than Dempster for the upcoming year, but I doubt even Peavy would reproduce what Dempster did last season. The upgrade from Dempster to Marquis would be what really improves the team.

 

The problem is that Dempster is very unlikely to duplicate his 2008, so Peavy would be necessary just to match what we got out of Demp last year.

 

And you're missing the key point..which is that we wouldn't be able to re-sign Wood if we had Peavy and Dempster, not to mention any other free agents.

 

So 2009 Peavy might not make us that much better than a 2008 Dempster would, but the loss of Wood make our bullpen significantly worse. If we lose Wood then our bullpen could be in serious trouble. I'd rather have a really good rotation and a good bullpen than a mega rotation with a crappy pen.

 

Bottom line is that Dempster would not be even remotely necessary.... Wood would. Plus it's very possible that Dempster isn't even much of an upgrade over Marquis next season. I'm not counting on Dempster.

How bad do you expect Dempster to be? I'm not expecting what he did last year, but I still think he can give a solid 3.40 with a 1.30 WHIP or so. I can't say the same for Marquis.

 

I just think it's easier to find a solid and cheap(er) bullpen guy than a Dempster like starter who will give you 200+ innings of well pitched baseball. Do we really want to be paying 8-10 millionish for Woody, instead of 12 million for Dempster, for 1 inning every few games(not to mention the injury history..not even including his blister problems)?

 

I mean i've got man love for the guy, but i'd rather allocate the money to a quality starter and get a decent bullpen arm who you think can have a good season through trade or FA.

 

I can see where your coming from though, but I guess i'm just thinking different.

 

I wouldn't go 5 years, though.

 

Well I didn't say I expected Dempster to be as bad as Marquis, I just said it's possible. I expect him to have an ERA around 4.

 

And yes, if we got Peavy I feel like it would be a no-brainer to use the rest of the money on Wood and not Dempster. You build you club based on needs and holes. With Peavy the rotation would be the absolute last thing that needed an upgrade, The bullpen without Wood is in big time need of an upgrade. Let's say Marmol steps into the closers role and does well (which isn't a guarantee anyways). Who pitches the 8th? The 7th? Now instead of having Marmol as the fireman/8th inning guy..we're going to Chad Gaudin? Samardzija? Cotts? Every game would be an adventure because we spent money on something we didn't need. It doesn't really matter how good your starting pitching is if you don't have guys to finish it. It's kind of like the Rangers continuing to use resources on hitting instead of pitching and then wondering why they score 9 runs every night but still lose.

Fair enough, but Wood is asking for 3 or 4 years at a good chunk of money. I'd be skeptical, considering we found out (last offseason I think) that he's pitching with a small tear in his shoulder that he won't have surgery on.

 

Well it depends on the contract. I think it will take a bad contract to get either of those guys....I'd just rather take a risk on a guy we actually need. Really I'd rather have Fuentes than either of those guys (if we get Peavy).

[ctcf]

Not that this is really news but Rotoworld notes:

 

Astros owner Drayton McLane acknowledged Friday that his team isn't likely to make a deal for Jake Peavy.

McLane said the Astros received a "wild combination" of young players the Padres would accept in a possible trade. "San Diego has given us a big list they would want from the Houston Astros, and it’s multiple players and some of our best players," he said. "Most likely that would be the stumbling block." The Cubs, Braves and Dodgers remain the front-runners.

[RammyFanny]

Jake Peavy, the franchise's best player, will be traded soon. There has been progress between the Padres and Braves in talks in recent days, with Gorkys Hernandez being added to shortstop Yunel Escobar within the proposed package of players that will likely be shipped from Atlanta to San Diego. The Padres will also continue to talk with the Cubs and Dodgers, but the expectation is a deal should go down before Thanksgiving.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3691653&name=olney_buster

[Cubswin11]

Jake Peavy, the franchise's best player, will be traded soon. There has been progress between the Padres and Braves in talks in recent days, with Gorkys Hernandez being added to shortstop Yunel Escobar within the proposed package of players that will likely be shipped from Atlanta to San Diego. The Padres will also continue to talk with the Cubs and Dodgers, but the expectation is a deal should go down before Thanksgiving.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3691653&name=olney_buster

I might have to take some time off from following the Cubs if Gorkys hernandez is a deal maker. :banghead:

[Jehrico]

Jake Peavy, the franchise's best player, will be traded soon. There has been progress between the Padres and Braves in talks in recent days, with Gorkys Hernandez being added to shortstop Yunel Escobar within the proposed package of players that will likely be shipped from Atlanta to San Diego. The Padres will also continue to talk with the Cubs and Dodgers, but the expectation is a deal should go down before Thanksgiving.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3691653&name=olney_buster

Sounds like Buster is a little behind the times, as he neglected to mention that it's possible that Peavy would veto a deal if Escobar is coming back. Doesn't surprise me, as Olney is a horrible hack.

[Post Count Padder]

I think we should start getting ready for the arrival of Scott Olsen, Jeremdy Hermida and Kevin Gregg. I'm getting a feeling we won't be getting Peavy. I know it's all speculation but Towers seems to like Gorkys.

[Jehrico]

I think we should start getting ready for the arrival of Scott Olsen, Jeremdy Hermida and Kevin Gregg. I'm getting a feeling we won't be getting Peavy. I know it's all speculation but Towers seems to like Gorkys.

Defeatist...and I couldn't disagree more.

 

edit..hit the submit button too early.

 

We're not going to get Gregg. Maybe Olsen and Hermida, but not all three.

Edited November 9, 2008 by Jehrico

[RedFlash]

Jake Peavy, the franchise's best player, will be traded soon. There has been progress between the Padres and Braves in talks in recent days, with Gorkys Hernandez being added to shortstop Yunel Escobar within the proposed package of players that will likely be shipped from Atlanta to San Diego. The Padres will also continue to talk with the Cubs and Dodgers, but the expectation is a deal should go down before Thanksgiving.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3691653&name=olney_buster

I might have to take some time off from following the Cubs if Gorkys hernandez is a deal maker. :banghead:

 

Hernandez won't be the deal breaker, Yunel Escobar will be. It is the belief that Peavy won't accept a trade to the Braves if Escobar is included. I don't know if Peavy has said that, but it is out there. Personally, I think Peavy is trying to get himself traded to the Cubs, but the Padres like the Braves prospects better.

[Post Count Padder]

I think we should start getting ready for the arrival of Scott Olsen, Jeremdy Hermida and Kevin Gregg. I'm getting a feeling we won't be getting Peavy. I know it's all speculation but Towers seems to like Gorkys.

Defeatist...and I couldn't disagree more.

 

edit..hit the submit button too early.

 

We're not going to get Gregg. Maybe Olsen and Hermida, but not all three.

I'm just trying to be realistic. I don't know what's going to happen, but Towers seems like what the Braves have. I just don't want to be set up for disappointment.

[17 Seconds]

So what's a good way to get rid of the sting of another postseason choke? Immediately get our hopes up for Peavy only tp get crushed again.

[RedFlash]

So what's a good way to get rid of the sting of another postseason choke? Immediately get our hopes up for Peavy only tp get crushed again.

 

What can we say...we're masochists.

[Guest]

Jake Peavy, the franchise's best player, will be traded soon. There has been progress between the Padres and Braves in talks in recent days, with Gorkys Hernandez being added to shortstop Yunel Escobar within the proposed package of players that will likely be shipped from Atlanta to San Diego. The Padres will also continue to talk with the Cubs and Dodgers, but the expectation is a deal should go down before Thanksgiving.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3691653&name=olney_buster

 

 

These media clippings look exactly like the ones last year from the Brian Roberts thread, just with the teams and names being changed.

 

How many times last year did we hear something like "The two teams are still discussing players, but expect a deal to be done by "?

[David]

Jake Peavy, the franchise's best player, will be traded soon. There has been progress between the Padres and Braves in talks in recent days, with Gorkys Hernandez being added to shortstop Yunel Escobar within the proposed package of players that will likely be shipped from Atlanta to San Diego. The Padres will also continue to talk with the Cubs and Dodgers, but the expectation is a deal should go down before Thanksgiving.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3691653&name=olney_buster

 

 

These media clippings look exactly like the ones last year from the Brian Roberts thread, just with the teams and names being changed.

 

How many times last year did we hear something like "The two teams are still discussing players, but expect a deal to be done by "?

 

Except this time there's no crazy wild card of an owner involved.

[Vanilla Ice]

Jake Peavy, the franchise's best player, will be traded soon. There has been progress between the Padres and Braves in talks in recent days, with Gorkys Hernandez being added to shortstop Yunel Escobar within the proposed package of players that will likely be shipped from Atlanta to San Diego. The Padres will also continue to talk with the Cubs and Dodgers, but the expectation is a deal should go down before Thanksgiving.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3691653&name=olney_buster

 

 

These media clippings look exactly like the ones last year from the Brian Roberts thread, just with the teams and names being changed.

 

How many times last year did we hear something like "The two teams are still discussing players, but expect a deal to be done by "?

 

Except this time there's no crazy wild card of an owner involved.

but now there is a third team involved

[David]

I should say "no crazy wild card of an owner with a huge man crush on the principle player involved in the talks."

 

In fact, Padre ownership wants the payroll cut.

[Guest]

I should say "no crazy wild card of an owner with a huge man crush on the principle player involved in the talks."

 

In fact, Padre ownership wants the payroll cut.

 

Yeah, I know it's different. But hearing things like "Jake Peavy should be traded by Monday" and now "...but the expectation is a deal should go down before Thanksgiving" just brings back bad memories.

[David]

I hope Peavy has his heart set on coming here and vetoes pretty much every trade to the other teams but ownership makes Towers trade him anyway.

[Skyballer]

I should say "no crazy wild card of an owner with a huge man crush on the principle player involved in the talks."

 

In fact, Padre ownership wants the payroll cut.

 

Yeah, I know it's different. But hearing things like "Jake Peavy should be traded by Monday" and now "...but the expectation is a deal should go down before Thanksgiving" just brings back bad memories.

Don't forget that our source is no longer called Bigbird!

[Mephistopheles]

Padres cut Peavy finalists to 3 teams

Padres general manager Kevin Towers was back home in San Diego on Friday, sifting through the possibilities that will allow him to trade former Cy Young Award winner Jake Peavy to the Cubs, the Atlanta Braves or -- in a long-shot deal -- the Los Angeles Dodgers.

 

Those teams are the finalists and, sources say, no other teams will be considered at this point. That throws out the St. Louis Cardinals, Houston Astros and New York Yankees -- unless an unexpected hurdle pops up.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1267764,CST-SPT-cub08.article