Astros continue to whine

[brinoch]

I always felt bad for LaTroy -- in particular because he really was misused by Dusty. For whatever reason, he just can't handle the 9th and yet Dusty kept sending him out there.

[Shilzzz]

i echo the last couple thoughts on latroy. he was an outstanding set up guy. one of the best.

 

also, i do feel bad for the 'stros.

 

but, really, anywhere other than houston is a cubs home-away-from-home game, so there was no winning no matter what.

 

and really, they weren't going to make the playoffs.

[SouthSideRyan]

Latroy should be their clothes-er

 

And, I can't help myself, I chuckled.

[satxcubfan]

i echo the last couple thoughts on latroy. he was an outstanding set up guy. one of the best.

 

also, i do feel bad for the 'stros.

 

but, really, anywhere other than houston is a cubs home-away-from-home game, so there was no winning no matter what.

 

and really, they weren't going to make the playoffs.

 

 

Even Houston is a Cubs 'home-away-from-home" game!

:cool:

[Soul]

I still don't understand the whole "Selig then made us go to Milwaukee and leave our families behind to deal with the hurricane."

 

Wait, Selig is responsible for your family now? When did this happen? How about getting them the hell out long before this thing hits? Just a thought.

 

I thought they said during Sunday's game that the Astros brought their families with them when they left Houston. There was a shot of one of their brothers sitting in their bullpen.

 

And, the wording on the t-shirts is incredibly poor taste. People actually died in the storm.

And that makes sense. I definitely heard this comment a couple times though. It doesn't connect with reality for me. You're either getting your entire family out of harm's way, or you are an idiot. Nobody else's fault. Don't blab to the media about families being left behind. None of that crap. You're responsible for your own family, period. End of story.

[Soul]

And the bitterness continues:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3601868

 

They're not gonna let it go. Never mind that they completely collapsed after they left Milwaukee. It's all because of those two games.

 

Hey, if you're that fragile that two losses cause you to collapse in all your games afterwards too, then maybe you aren't a playoff team to begin with. Just a thought.

[C.C.]

"Major League Baseball has always valued the dollar more than they do the individual, the players and their families," Lance Berkman said, according to the Houston Chronicle on Sunday. "That's illustrated in things like playing through a lightning storm in Chicago [on Aug. 4].

 

"The most important thing is getting the game in so you don't lose the gate and you don't lose the revenue. That's A-No. 1. And then if in the course of that you can work it around where players aren't affected, that's a distant second. That's one reason why players try to exploit the system to the max because they know they're being treated the same way. That's a sad part of the game."

 

Please. Stop.

 

So he's pissed because owners don't want to lose gate? The gate pays for your salary. Just amazing how a player can earn millions and million of dollars, get the best equipment, best medical care, and still feel slighted?!?! Just shut up!

[Tyrant]

"Major League Baseball has always valued the dollar more than they do the individual, the players and their families," Lance Berkman said, according to the Houston Chronicle on Sunday. "That's illustrated in things like playing through a lightning storm in Chicago [on Aug. 4].

 

Berkman is just mad that the camera caught him wetting his pants and scurrying to the dugout because of the thunder.

[Sammy Sofa]

"Major League Baseball has always valued the dollar more than they do the individual, the players and their families," Lance Berkman said, according to the Houston Chronicle on Sunday. "That's illustrated in things like playing through a lightning storm in Chicago [on Aug. 4].

 

Berkman is just mad that the camera caught him wetting his pants and scurrying to the dugout because of the thunder.

 

I love that he threw off his chain, too.

 

And you didn't "play through" the storm, Lance.

[C.C.]

"Major League Baseball has always valued the dollar more than they do the individual, the players and their families," Lance Berkman said, according to the Houston Chronicle on Sunday. "That's illustrated in things like playing through a lightning storm in Chicago [on Aug. 4].

 

Berkman is just mad that the camera caught him wetting his pants and scurrying to the dugout because of the thunder.

 

I love that he threw off his chain, too.

 

And you didn't "play through" the storm, Lance.

 

He's such a douche.

[CubinNY]

"Major League Baseball has always valued the dollar more than they do the individual, the players and their families," Lance Berkman said, according to the Houston Chronicle on Sunday. "That's illustrated in things like playing through a lightning storm in Chicago [on Aug. 4].

 

Berkman is just mad that the camera caught him wetting his pants and scurrying to the dugout because of the thunder.

 

I love that he threw off his chain, too.

 

And you didn't "play through" the storm, Lance.

 

He's such a douche.

What he said is absolutely accurate. If the Cubs were in the same position as the Astros many people who post here would be whining like a 6 year old.

 

At the same time, a good team, a team of professionals can overcome those hardships, to an extent.

 

Berkman and the rest of them now have a convenient excuse for why they played so poorly. If they would have won people would be talking about their moxy and pluck in, "doing it for their fans who've been through so much". Instead, they can blame their lameness on Bud and baseball.

 

Screw them.

[Sammy Sofa]

"Major League Baseball has always valued the dollar more than they do the individual, the players and their families," Lance Berkman said, according to the Houston Chronicle on Sunday. "That's illustrated in things like playing through a lightning storm in Chicago [on Aug. 4].

 

Berkman is just mad that the camera caught him wetting his pants and scurrying to the dugout because of the thunder.

 

I love that he threw off his chain, too.

 

And you didn't "play through" the storm, Lance.

 

He's such a douche.

What he said is absolutely accurate. If the Cubs were in the same position as the Astros many people who post here would be whining like a 6 year old.

 

What throws the spanner ino the works of him and the other players complaining is their own owner doing as much as possible to ultimately screw them over and not working with the MLB to get the games somewhere more "neutral."

[jersey cubs fan]

What he said is absolutely accurate. If the Cubs were in the same position as the Astros many people who post here would be whining like a 6 year old.

 

It was not absolutely accurate. MLB has forced teams to play elsewhere in the past. These idiots thought it would have been perfectly fine to play 3 games after the regular season ends. They should have gotten out of there Friday, they have nobody but themselves (meaning players, coaches and owner) to blame.

[Soul]

What he said is absolutely accurate. If the Cubs were in the same position as the Astros many people who post here would be whining like a 6 year old.

 

It was not absolutely accurate. MLB has forced teams to play elsewhere in the past. These idiots thought it would have been perfectly fine to play 3 games after the regular season ends. They should have gotten out of there Friday, they have nobody but themselves (meaning players, coaches and owner) to blame.

 

Yeah, I agree. They're whining and crying about not playing 3 entire games after the season -- something that would hurt the Cubs much more than them, because we have worked hard to put ourselves into a position where we can rest and be ready for the playoffs. Now we have to forego the rest so that the Stros can make up games in their ballpark when they were partly to blame anyway for not getting their plan in place soon enough?

 

No way.

[SouthSideRyan]

Has it been confirmed that the Astros will be playing in Houston tomorrow night? I'd imagine with the whining backlash that has happened already, Bud is going to make sure those games get played in Houston, but it'd really be best if they were played elsewhere.

[BigbadB]

Can you imagine how loud they would be bellyaching if they were in the heat of a pennant race and ended up playing 3 games (including a doubleheader) after the regular season ended, and then had to play a playoff game the very next day?

 

I can guarantee they'd be screaming the same exact story, including pointing out that both teams had an off day the day after their series was supposed to end. They would have cried that there was ample opportunity to play that series when it was supposed to happen, but on a neutral field.

[Soul]

Some people in the media keep feeding them sympathy, which isn't helping any.

 

Mike & Mike for example have long since started telling everyone to "let it go" on the Ed Hoculy mistake, but weeks later they're still feeding into the pity party on this one.

 

Time for everyone to let it go.

[CubinNY]

What he said is absolutely accurate. If the Cubs were in the same position as the Astros many people who post here would be whining like a 6 year old.

 

It was not absolutely accurate. MLB has forced teams to play elsewhere in the past. These idiots thought it would have been perfectly fine to play 3 games after the regular season ends. They should have gotten out of there Friday, they have nobody but themselves (meaning players, coaches and owner) to blame.

 

What Berkman said was accurate. The fact that MLB forced teams to play elsewhere in the past under similar circumstance is just more evidence of the accuracy of his statement. The extenuating circumstances of the Astros have nothing to do with what he said. Yes, they should have gotten out of Houston and taken their family with them and Yes MLB and their owner are to blame. Berkman et al. should be fuming at Drayton more than Bud.

 

But more than that, they should be mad at themselves for their poor play.

 

There's no crying in baseball.

[BigbadB]

Mike & Mike for example have long since started telling everyone to "let it go" on the Ed Hoculy mistake, but weeks later they're still feeding into the pity party on this one.

 

The Ed Hochuli mistake is barely a week old.

[Faceman]

In 2006, when they almost caught the Cardinals, the gripe was that if the Astros forced the Cards to make up their 1 game with San Francisco, Barry wouldn't play. He'd come out and said he wasn't making the trip to St. Louis for that game.

 

So it wasn't fair to them that year either.

 

Bottom line is this - if you want to make the playoffs, start winning baseball games before August 15th. This crap happens every year with them.

[David]

Mike & Mike for example have long since started telling everyone to "let it go" on the Ed Hoculy mistake, but weeks later they're still feeding into the pity party on this one.

 

The Ed Hochuli mistake is barely a week old.

 

And the hurricane weekend was also only a week ago.

[Soul]

Mike & Mike for example have long since started telling everyone to "let it go" on the Ed Hoculy mistake, but weeks later they're still feeding into the pity party on this one.

 

The Ed Hochuli mistake is barely a week old.

 

And the hurricane weekend was also only a week ago.

You're right. It's about the same time frame for both incidents. One of them they are saying "time to move on" the other one they're still passing out pity. I'm just saying, it's time to move on for both things.

[jersey cubs fan]

Mike & Mike for example have long since started telling everyone to "let it go" on the Ed Hoculy mistake, but weeks later they're still feeding into the pity party on this one.

 

The Ed Hochuli mistake is barely a week old.

 

And the hurricane weekend was also only a week ago.

You're right. It's about the same time frame for both incidents. One of them they are saying "time to move on" the other one they're still passing out pity. I'm just saying, it's time to move on for both things.

 

What I don't get is why they are giving the Astros a free pass for staying in Houston. They weren't forced to stay in Houston. Greenberg isn't even raising the point that they could have played the three games on normal rest in a neutral site if they were just not idiots about staying in Houston and trying to play there.

[radarluv1]

what were the details of the cubs/marlins 2004 hurricane schedule fiasco? i remember that sucked pretty hard, worse than playing at any non-neutral neutral site would have.

[Cubskmill30]

http://www.fishstripes.com/2008/9/12/612869/florida-marlins-2004-hurri

 

^there is an article roughly detailing the Marlins in 2004. IMO, the Marlins had it far worse than the 'stros, and their organization did not complain. They had one hurricane (Francis) force the team to play 30 games in about 23 days, then they had Ivan, which forced them to play 2 games in Chicago against the Expos. Yet, no complaining from them. Berkman is about the lowest form of a professional, he always complains unless he is pampered and everything goes his way. Houston's organization should look at the class the Marlins had in 2004.