2008 Awards discussion

[OleMissCub]

I think the AL Cy Young is pretty much set in stone with Lee, and Webb will more than likely get another Cy Young.

 

The MVP's in both leagues are intriguing. I have no idea who they will give these awards to.

 

Some stats (that voters don't look at obviously but that many of us appreciate).

 

OPS+ AL

Bradley- 172

Rodriguez- 161

Quentin- 149

Huff- 146

Morneau- 143

 

OPS+ NL

Pujols- 190

Jones- 171

Berkman- 170

Ludwick- 152

Holliday- 146

 

ERA+ AL

Lee-CLE 190

Halladay- 159

Duchscherer- 157

Matsuzaka- 157

Lackey- 139

 

ERA+ NL

Lincecum- 165

Santana- 152

Dempster- 151

Hamels- 148

Sheets- 146

 

WARP1 AL

Kinsler - 8.7

A-Rod - 8.4

Sizemore - 8.2

Pedroia - 7.8

Mauer - 7.8

A-Rod - 7.7

Morneau - 7.7

Sizemore - 7.7

Quentin - 7.4

Youkilis - 7.4

 

WARP1 NL

Pujols - 11.4

Berkman - 10.5

Utley - 9.8

Ludwick - 8.8

H. Ramirez - 8.8

Wright - 8.5

Reyes - 8.4

Jones - 7.9

Braun - 7.8

Holliday - 7.8

 

just for comparison reasons, Ryan Howard is at 3.2 right now....

[SouthSideRyan]

Should be A-Rod, Pujols, Lee, Lincecum.

 

Will probably be Quentin/Morneau(whoever wins the division), Pujols, Lee, Webb/Sabathia(Depending if Sabathia finishes undefeated)

 

EDIT: Actually thinking about it, I recall hearing A-Rod's been pretty bad at clutch situations this year(not a repeatable skill, but should be weighted as to how valuable a player is in a given season.) I'd have to look a little harder at the #s, and I'm at work.

[Warren Brusstar]

Actually thinking about it, I recall hearing A-Rod's been pretty bad at clutch situations this year(not a repeatable skill, but should be weighted as to how valuable a player is in a given season.)

 

 

You're absolutely right.

 

Using BP's definition of high-leverage, medium-leverage, and low-leverage, his OPS is 782 in high leverage situations, 930 in medium leverage situations, and 1176 in low-leverage situations. The fact that those numbers are about 180 degrees from last year's numbers (when he 1146 in high leverage situations) is further compelling evidence that his curious splits are just random. Nevertheless, those splits also mean that he hasn't been nearly as valuable as the typical 1.000 OPS hitter.

 

Despite this fact, you're going to get people here who absolutely object to considering those splits when choosing the MVP. And that's utterly ridiculous.

[Clem Fandango]

I really hope Lincecum gets it. Webb has been great, but sporadic all year. He'll go on dominating stretches and then suck for a few starts, and then dominate again. Lincecum has been pretty good all year long and has a remarkable W-L record playing for one of the worst teams in the world. Lincecum is incredible.

 

I don't think Morneau will sniff the MVP. I think the voters will still be reeling from the feel good, media love-fest story that is Josh Hamilton. I think he'll steal votes away from Morneau. Quentin should probably be the front runner though, IMO. He's been ridiculous all year. Although I'm pulling for an Indians miracle. If that happens, Grady Sizemore should be considered. But if all goes as it has been going, Quentin, A-Rod, Hamilton are my guesses for top 3 vote getters.

 

Pujols has been ungodly this year and he easily deserves it, IMO. If they go with a contender, though, I would think Braun would get serious consideration. If the MArlins make a push, Hanley could get some votes. Otherwise, I would imagine it would be Pujols, Utley, Berkman, and Holliday getting most of the votes.

[17 Seconds]

Quentin's injury could really hurt his chances at the MVP. He might be out for a while.

[Ball And Glove]

Braun winning the MVP would fall somewhere between Justin Morneau and Jimmy Rollins in the "what the hell were the voters thinking?" category. Yeah, he's slugged the crap out of the baseball, but he's also gotten out more than almost everyone in the league and he swings at way too much garbage to be really valuable. I don't think he's even the most valuable player on his team -- I'd put Sheets, Sabathia, and maybe even Fielder (down year and all) ahead of him. Without Sheets and Sabathia, the team doesn't even sniff the wildcard, and Fielder is much harder to replace in the Brewers' lineup.

 

But yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if Braun got a few votes, especially if he gets close to Joe DiMaggio's record for most HR's in the first two seasons. It's a dumb record, but it seems to be the kind of thing voters care about, and the casual Milwaukee fans are eating it up.

 

If the Mets end up winning their division, it wouldn't surprise me to see a big David Wright or Carlos Delgado get a few votes. It's got to be Pujols' to lose, though.

[reggiemiller rules]

The MVP should be Pujols but I assume that he will lose out on it to some undeserving Phillies player. Isnt it Utley's turn this time.

[TruffleShuffle]

this is who should win:

 

al manager of the year - joe maddon in a landslide

nl manager of the year - manager of whoever wins the nl central (yes, this could mean ned yost i suppose)

exec of the year - andrew friedman

nl roy - geovany soto

al roy - evan longoria

nl mvp - pujols

al mvp - sizemore if it's best player, or pedroia if it's best player on a playoff team

nl cy young - lincecum

al cy young - cliff lee

[Clem Fandango]

Quentin's injury could really hurt his chances at the MVP. He might be out for a while.

 

Didn't know about that. Sucks for the White Sox.

 

Oh yeah, the ROTY. Is it out of line to think that Evan Longoria shouldn't win if Armando Galarraga continues to be as impressive a pitcher as he's been this year for the rest of the season?

[OleMissCub]

Oh yeah, the ROTY. Is it out of line to think that Evan Longoria shouldn't win if Armando Galarraga continues to be as impressive a pitcher as he's been this year for the rest of the season?

 

Yes, it is out of line. Evan Longoria is the daddy of the mackdaddy. He better get AL ROY. But you are right in that Galarraga is a very good pitcher on a team full of crap pitchers.

[imb]

Oh yeah, the ROTY. Is it out of line to think that Evan Longoria shouldn't win if Armando Galarraga continues to be as impressive a pitcher as he's been this year for the rest of the season?

 

Yes, it is out of line. Evan Longoria is the daddy of the mackdaddy. He better get AL ROY. But you are right in that Galarraga is a very good pitcher on a team full of crap pitchers.

 

you seem to like vorp, so ...

 

galarraga 34.2

 

longoria 32

[OleMissCub]

Oh yeah, the ROTY. Is it out of line to think that Evan Longoria shouldn't win if Armando Galarraga continues to be as impressive a pitcher as he's been this year for the rest of the season?

 

Yes, it is out of line. Evan Longoria is the daddy of the mackdaddy. He better get AL ROY. But you are right in that Galarraga is a very good pitcher on a team full of crap pitchers.

 

you seem to like vorp, so ...

 

galarraga 34.2

 

longoria 32

 

Interesting...wouldn't have expected that. I suppose Longoria will still get it due to the fact that bottom feeder Rays are in 1st place and will actually make the playoffs.

[sneakypower]

and because his glove is stellar

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Oh yeah, the ROTY. Is it out of line to think that Evan Longoria shouldn't win if Armando Galarraga continues to be as impressive a pitcher as he's been this year for the rest of the season?

 

Yes, it is out of line. Evan Longoria is the daddy of the mackdaddy. He better get AL ROY. But you are right in that Galarraga is a very good pitcher on a team full of crap pitchers.

 

Chris Davis of Texas is having a pretty good season as well. I'd still give the nod to Longoria, but Davis's line is very much inline with what Longoria has done.

 

Davis: 276/331/547

Longoria: 278/352/533

[Clem Fandango]

Well, this is the 2nd time this year I've brought up a dark horse ROTY candidate for consideration and they went on to perform like crap their next outing.

[TruffleShuffle]

Oh yeah, the ROTY. Is it out of line to think that Evan Longoria shouldn't win if Armando Galarraga continues to be as impressive a pitcher as he's been this year for the rest of the season?

 

Yes, it is out of line. Evan Longoria is the daddy of the mackdaddy. He better get AL ROY. But you are right in that Galarraga is a very good pitcher on a team full of crap pitchers.

 

Chris Davis of Texas is having a pretty good season as well. I'd still give the nod to Longoria, but Davis's line is very much inline with what Longoria has done.

 

Davis: 276/331/547

Longoria: 278/352/533

 

longoria has had almost twice as many PAs.

[Post Count Padder]

I'm fine with this thread as long as we don't start arguing who should win a GG.

[sneakypower]

i don't like the guy who traded Elijah Dukes for peanuts being mentioned for the Executive of the Year Award

 

besides, so much of the core of that team was already in place; the two Chicago GMs are far more deserving this year

[Clem Fandango]

i don't like the guy who traded Elijah Dukes for peanuts being mentioned for the Executive of the Year Award

 

It's not like Elijah Dukes was Pujols incarnate. He's was lucky to even get peanuts with the situation Dukes put himself in

[TruffleShuffle]

i don't like the guy who traded Elijah Dukes for peanuts being mentioned for the Executive of the Year Award

 

he behaviored his way out of town.

 

besides, so much of the core of that team was already in place; the two Chicago GMs are far more deserving this year

 

i hate this criteria, because it basically gives no reward to a gm who has built his team cost-effectively through the farm system. i think a more reasonable guideline would be to give the award to the general manager who has done the best job of putting together the 2007 ballclub, rather than the general manager who has done the most in the past calendar year to put that team together.

[17 Seconds]

How about Manny for NL MVP?

[Guest]

How about Manny for NL MVP?

 

He shouldn't even be in the discussion.

[sneakypower]

i don't like the guy who traded Elijah Dukes for peanuts being mentioned for the Executive of the Year Award

 

he behaviored his way out of town.

obviously i'm aware of his transgressions; it doesn't really justify selling a player at rock bottom value. his talent was still immense and the player compensation was ineffectual so why not give him a shot in RF with the opening there and if he does more knucklehead crap to cause a distraction you can release him with no harm done. it never made a lot of sense.

besides, so much of the core of that team was already in place; the two Chicago GMs are far more deserving this year

 

i hate this criteria, because it basically gives no reward to a gm who has built his team cost-effectively through the farm system. i think a more reasonable guideline would be to give the award to the general manager who has done the best job of putting together the 2007 ballclub, rather than the general manager who has done the most in the past calendar year to put that team together.

and he still inherited most of their young talent. Garza and Pena were great moves, as well as the reworking of the bullpen, but there have been other GMs who've done even better jobs in that timeframe.

[TruffleShuffle]

and he still inherited most of their young talent.

 

well he was the director of baseball development in 2004-05, so i guess he inherited it from himself.

[Gingerballs Lives]

Is Volquez considered a rookie?

 

If so, he could make it very tough on Geo to win NL ROY.