Re: Joe Blanton traded to Philly

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The Phillies win in spite of being stupid.

 

I remember when they gave up like the 17th overall pick for Jon Lieber. Then they couldn't get anything better for Abreu and Lidle than the guy the Yankees drafted with that pick. Than the Freddy Garcia fiasco. Now this.

 

Blanton is simply not that good. He's not even an innings eater away from Oakland.

 

Dumb.

this whole post has me scratching my head

[BigSlick]

I said it before, I'll say it again

 

If Beane can get market value for Duchscherer right now, the 2010 Athletics will be a powerhouse

[Amazing_Grace]

I've got to believe that either Philly was not interested in Harden, or Oakland places a lot of value on prospects with ML experience. It sure looks to me like they gave up more than we did for a much lesser talent. Maybe Beane really liked the players he got from us, but it seems really odd that Joe Blanton got more talent than Harden did.

[Jehrico]

The Phillies win in spite of being stupid.

 

I remember when they gave up like the 17th overall pick for Jon Lieber. Then they couldn't get anything better for Abreu and Lidle than the guy the Yankees drafted with that pick. Than the Freddy Garcia fiasco. Now this.

 

Blanton is simply not that good. He's not even an innings eater away from Oakland.

 

Dumb.

this whole post has me scratching my head

I think he believes this is a horrible trade for philly, and he's giving several examples of Philly making stupid moves in the last couple of years. Despite all of the stupidity, Philly is still winning despite the numerous bad moves.

[Jehrico]

I've got to believe that either Philly was not interested in Harden, or Oakland places a lot of value on prospects with ML experience. It sure looks to me like they gave up more than we did for a much lesser talent. Maybe Beane really liked the players he got from us, but it seems really odd that Joe Blanton got more talent than Harden did.

This deal makes the move for Harden look even better...

[Little Slide Rooter]

What did the Phillies give up to get Rowand, and did Rowand leave as a FA or did they trade him to SF?

 

FA. San Fran gave him some obscene contract thinking that he was going to be the answer to their awful team.

[jersey cubs fan]

I've got to believe that either Philly was not interested in Harden, or Oakland places a lot of value on prospects with ML experience. It sure looks to me like they gave up more than we did for a much lesser talent. Maybe Beane really liked the players he got from us, but it seems really odd that Joe Blanton got more talent than Harden did.

 

If I had to guess, I'd say Philly prefers a warm body who can give you a chance every 5th day, and doesn't want to take the risk that a guy would break down. They are willing to go toe-to-toe with lineups, and just want their pitchers to keep them in games - kind of like when Hendry was hot after Lilly and Marquis.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

I said it before, I'll say it again

 

If Beane can get market value for Duchscherer right now, the 2010 Athletics will be a powerhouse

 

I've heard the White Sox are interested. If they land him and Duchscherer can stay hot then watch out. I've got to think that landing Duchscherer would require a lot of talent at this point though.

[fromthestretch]

I said it before, I'll say it again

 

If Beane can get market value for Duchscherer right now, the 2010 Athletics will be a powerhouse

 

I've heard the White Sox are interested. If they land him and Duchscherer can stay hot then watch out. I've got to think that landing Duchscherer would require a lot of talent at this point though.

 

One thing to remember about Duchscherer is that he hasn't pitched 100 innings since 2003 and didn't even pitch 20 innings all of last season. You have to wonder if he's going to tire out soon. On top of that, opponents have a .208 BABIP against him this season.

[Guest]

I said it before, I'll say it again

 

If Beane can get market value for Duchscherer right now, the 2010 Athletics will be a powerhouse

 

I've heard the White Sox are interested. If they land him and Duchscherer can stay hot then watch out. I've got to think that landing Duchscherer would require a lot of talent at this point though.

 

The White Sox don't have the prospects to land Duchscherer.

[inari]

I said it before, I'll say it again

 

If Beane can get market value for Duchscherer right now, the 2010 Athletics will be a powerhouse

 

I've heard the White Sox are interested. If they land him and Duchscherer can stay hot then watch out. I've got to think that landing Duchscherer would require a lot of talent at this point though.

 

The White Sox don't have the prospects to land Duchscherer.

 

Probably true, but whoever gets Duchscherer will be really disappointed.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I said it before, I'll say it again

 

If Beane can get market value for Duchscherer right now, the 2010 Athletics will be a powerhouse

 

I've heard the White Sox are interested. If they land him and Duchscherer can stay hot then watch out. I've got to think that landing Duchscherer would require a lot of talent at this point though.

 

The White Sox don't have the prospects to land Duchscherer.

 

The Brewers sure do, and we really dont want that happening. The question is, will they be willing to move another prospect package. Duke would actually make perfectl sense for them, with CC and Sheets likely gone next year, hes still under team control for another few years.

[David]

What did the Phillies give up to get Rowand, and did Rowand leave as a FA or did they trade him to SF?

 

FA. San Fran gave him some obscene contract thinking that he was going to be the answer to their awful team.

 

 

And they gave up Thome for Rowand and a couple of minor leaguers (one of them was Gio Gonzalez, IIRC).

[RynoRules]

Based on what I have read, this could be Mark Mulder part 2 from the A's p.o.v.

[Derwood]

outside of K numbers, Blanton has nearly identical numbers to Burnett

[David]

outside of K numbers, Blanton has nearly identical numbers to Burnett

 

 

Isn't that a pretty big qualification?

[XZero771679666304]

outside of K numbers, Blanton has nearly identical numbers to Burnett

 

 

Isn't that a pretty big qualification?

 

Burnett's k/9 is almost double what Blanton's is. He also has an edge in k/bb, OPS against and gb/fb.

[CubinNY]

We gave up less for Harden.

Ditto.

 

And not just because, you're a new Mod. but, whatever

[Ding Dong Johnson]

outside of K numbers, Blanton has nearly identical numbers to Burnett

 

 

Isn't that a pretty big qualification?

 

Burnett's k/9 is almost double what Blanton's is. He also has an edge in k/bb, OPS against and gb/fb.

but aside from all the things that are different, they're pretty much the same

[XZero771679666304]

outside of K numbers, Blanton has nearly identical numbers to Burnett

 

 

Isn't that a pretty big qualification?

 

Burnett's k/9 is almost double what Blanton's is. He also has an edge in k/bb, OPS against and gb/fb.

but aside from all the things that are different, they're pretty much the same

 

I was getting around to that in my own circuitous way

[Derwood]

similar ERA, ERA+, WHIP, HR allowed, etc. Burnett has more K's but more walks as well. Blanton gives up more base hits.

 

Either way, neither is very good

[Amazing_Grace]

I've got to believe that either Philly was not interested in Harden, or Oakland places a lot of value on prospects with ML experience. It sure looks to me like they gave up more than we did for a much lesser talent. Maybe Beane really liked the players he got from us, but it seems really odd that Joe Blanton got more talent than Harden did.

 

If I had to guess, I'd say Philly prefers a warm body who can give you a chance every 5th day, and doesn't want to take the risk that a guy would break down. They are willing to go toe-to-toe with lineups, and just want their pitchers to keep them in games - kind of like when Hendry was hot after Lilly and Marquis.

 

That's probably a big part of it. Philly's offense can be scary good at times. I'm still surprised. If this is an indication of the market for starting pitching, then I'm glad we stayed away from Burnett and Bedard. Despite the fact that Harden's trade value is much higher now than last offseason, it's still something of a "buy low" situation since you're getting a player whose talent level is far higher than his price due to the injury issues. At least if Harden is healthy, he'll be better than what we have. This deal makes the Harden deal look a lot better.

Edited July 18, 2008 by Amazing_Grace

[XZero771679666304]

similar ERA, ERA+, WHIP, HR allowed, etc. Burnett has more K's but more walks as well. Blanton gives up more base hits.

 

Either way, neither is very good

 

True, but Blanton is more consistent in his suckage. Burnett ranges from great to awful, and carries the potential of stretches of dominance. This is due to his ability to miss bats.

[CuseCubFan69]

I've got to believe that either Philly was not interested in Harden, or Oakland places a lot of value on prospects with ML experience. It sure looks to me like they gave up more than we did for a much lesser talent. Maybe Beane really liked the players he got from us, but it seems really odd that Joe Blanton got more talent than Harden did.

This deal makes the move for Harden look even better...

 

Especially when you add Gaudin to the mix.