07/09 Cincinnati (Cueto) @ CUBS (Zambrano) 7:05 CDT, CSN TV

[Mizzou]

Finally.

 

And somebody please tell Lou to start using other guys instead of Marmol all the freaking time. Marmol is getting a crash-course on how Wood and Prior felt under Baker's regime, it's ludicrious.

 

I hope the media rakes him over the coals on this tonight. Absolutely inexcusable.

Jesus, get a grip.

[weatherdood]

Blanca Soto.

[CubsGM]

Yeah, Ankiel is so hitting this out

[CoolHandLuke]

I just love her eyes, so she is now my Avatar. Plus, her name is Soto, FTW.

Blanca Soto.

 

 

 

 

 

Can she play outfield? If she becomes a prospect, that's so catching on.

 

 

she's like our entire catching corp in one great body.

[jaydee]

Well, we traded Dusty -- who likes to grind starters' arms into dust, for Lou -- who likes to pick a couple relievers and grind their arms to pieces.

 

I guess I'll take the latter, but Jesus, why do it????

 

Give it a break. It sucks that Marmol won't be available when we might actually need him tomorrow or the day after, but if this kind of use ruins Marmol's arm then he wasn't going to last very long without an injury anyways. This move was stupid because of strategy - not because of injury related junk. At least in my opinion that is...

[badger1679666666]

I just love her eyes, so she is now my Avatar. Plus, her name is Soto, FTW.

Blanca Soto.

 

 

 

 

 

Can she play outfield? If she becomes a prospect, that's so catching on.

 

 

she's like our entire catching corp in one great body.

 

I'd love her to play catcher to my pitcher.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Ankiel flails at ball 1,2, and 3. Threat over, Phillies win 4-2.

[CubmanPi]

K on 3 pitches. Didn't see that one coming. Nice day today!

[weatherdood]

CARDS LOSE!!!! 4.5 GAME LEAD!!!!

 

5 OVER THE BREWERS!!!

[David]

Cubs win!!! Oh, and eat it, Marty and Thom Brennaman.

 

Marty?

[weatherdood]

Cubs win!!! Oh, and eat it, Marty and Thom Brennaman.

 

Marty?

 

Yeah, remember, the guy who said that Cubs fans are the most obnoxious in baseball?? The guy who said the Cubs won't win anything this year because "at the end of the day, they're the Cubs"

 

That a-hole!! :-({|=

[Soul]

Well, we traded Dusty -- who likes to grind starters' arms into dust, for Lou -- who likes to pick a couple relievers and grind their arms to pieces.

 

I guess I'll take the latter, but Jesus, why do it????

 

Give it a break. It sucks that Marmol won't be available when we might actually need him tomorrow or the day after, but if this kind of use ruins Marmol's arm then he wasn't going to last very long without an injury anyways. This move was stupid because of strategy - not because of injury related junk. At least in my opinion that is...

 

You're welcome to your opinion, but I believe Marmol is still on pace to be near the top in innings for a reliever. Many others have started to notice Marmol is beginning to labor under the pressure. It's not just me.

 

And I mean really, you're just dismissing that Marmol won't be available if we have a close game tomorrow. That gets the "oh well too bad" treatment? What is Marmol on the staff for anyway? You know he's not here to eat up innings with a big lead. We've got other pitchers for that, why not use the guys for why they are here?

[jaydee]

Well, we traded Dusty -- who likes to grind starters' arms into dust, for Lou -- who likes to pick a couple relievers and grind their arms to pieces.

 

I guess I'll take the latter, but Jesus, why do it????

 

Give it a break. It sucks that Marmol won't be available when we might actually need him tomorrow or the day after, but if this kind of use ruins Marmol's arm then he wasn't going to last very long without an injury anyways. This move was stupid because of strategy - not because of injury related junk. At least in my opinion that is...

 

You're welcome to your opinion, but I believe Marmol is still on pace to be near the top in innings for a reliever. Many others have started to notice Marmol is beginning to labor under the pressure. It's not just me.

 

And I mean really, you're just dismissing that Marmol won't be available if we have a close game tomorrow. That gets the "oh well too bad" treatment? What is Marmol on the staff for anyway? You know he's not here to eat up innings with a big lead. We've got other pitchers for that, why not use the guys for why they are here?

 

Umm I didn't dismiss that he won't be available tomorrow. I said that is why it was a bad move. I called it a bad strategic move. How is that even close to dismissing it?

 

And regarding Marmol - he used to be a starting pitcher, and has no history of injuries. I'm going to guess that guys who are in the bullpen who are former starters and have no history of injury aren't that likely to get hurt as others....of course I have no evidence of that. Also, looking at his inning count can be somewhat misleading since a lot of his innings he was pretty dominant and threw few pitches.

[Soul]

Well, we traded Dusty -- who likes to grind starters' arms into dust, for Lou -- who likes to pick a couple relievers and grind their arms to pieces.

 

I guess I'll take the latter, but Jesus, why do it????

 

Give it a break. It sucks that Marmol won't be available when we might actually need him tomorrow or the day after, but if this kind of use ruins Marmol's arm then he wasn't going to last very long without an injury anyways. This move was stupid because of strategy - not because of injury related junk. At least in my opinion that is...

 

You're welcome to your opinion, but I believe Marmol is still on pace to be near the top in innings for a reliever. Many others have started to notice Marmol is beginning to labor under the pressure. It's not just me.

 

And I mean really, you're just dismissing that Marmol won't be available if we have a close game tomorrow. That gets the "oh well too bad" treatment? What is Marmol on the staff for anyway? You know he's not here to eat up innings with a big lead. We've got other pitchers for that, why not use the guys for why they are here?

 

Umm I didn't dismiss that he won't be available tomorrow. I said that is why it was a bad move. I called it a bad strategic move. How is that even close to dismissing it?

 

And regarding Marmol - he used to be a starting pitcher, and has no history of injuries. I'm going to guess that guys who are in the bullpen who are former starters and have no history of injury aren't that likely to get hurt as others....of course I have no evidence of that. Also, looking at his inning count can be somewhat misleading since a lot of his innings he was pretty dominant and threw few pitches.

 

Starter vs. reliever is a totally different usage pattern. I don't think it's necessarily valid to say "he used to be a starter" and conclude that therefore he can lead the league in innings safely.

 

True he's had no arm injuries, but he does have a bit of a history of tiring out. I'll repost a very good article that lays out what is being seen with Carlos, and let you decide for yourself (TT posted this in the Cubs forum, I think it's pretty darn instructive what's happening with Marmol):

 

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/anatomy-of-a-player-carlos-marmol/

[RedFlash]

Didn't Marmol get the first guys out, then loaded the bases, on an INF single and two BBs?

 

I understand the uneasiness with the way Marmol has pitch recently. And I do believe the ASB will be BIG TIME help for him. He can go home, relax, and get back to basics. I fully expect Marmolicious to return after the ASB.

[Bote McBoteface]

I used to know the rule, I just forgot completely, and a friend and I were talking about it about a week ago.

 

 

A save situation is:

 

1. Up by 3 or less runs

2. pitching the final three innings of a game your team wins

3.

 

I THINK it is if the tying run is in the on deck circle. Is this true?

[Fred Hornkohl]

we're playing dusty baker's reds, not cincinnati

 

Yeah Fred, you pompous schmuck :D

 

Ok, enough junior high behaviour for me today :lol:

 

That's pompus, you Jjunior High dropout !! :wink:

[David]

I used to know the rule, I just forgot completely, and a friend and I were talking about it about a week ago.

 

 

A save situation is:

 

1. Up by 3 or less runs

2. pitching the final three innings of a game your team wins

3.

 

I THINK it is if the tying run is in the on deck circle. Is this true?

 

Yes, this is true.

[Jon]

http://bp1.blogger.com/_mdh8Yg649Vg/SHbXbaTEAHI/AAAAAAAABTw/5elJC3jsflw/s1600-h/zamb798-03.PNG

 

Nasty.

[woodchip2153]

http://bp1.blogger.com/_mdh8Yg649Vg/SHbXbaTEAHI/AAAAAAAABTw/5elJC3jsflw/s1600-h/zamb798-03.PNG

 

Nasty.

 

What's FC?

 

What makes it especially nasty, is that they all start on pretty much the same path from both the side and the top, making it harder for the batter to recognize what is coming.

[Jon]

http://bp1.blogger.com/_mdh8Yg649Vg/SHbXbaTEAHI/AAAAAAAABTw/5elJC3jsflw/s1600-h/zamb798-03.PNG

 

Nasty.

 

What's FC?

 

What makes it especially nasty, is that they all start on pretty much the same path from both the side and the top, making it harder for the batter to recognize what is coming.

It's a cut fastball. The data that they pulled on CubsFX.com wasn't complete, as I think there were 15 or so pitches missing, but he threw it just over 20 times.

 

He actually fell behind left handed batters quite frequently, but they still didn't have much success against Z.

[woodchip2153]

http://bp1.blogger.com/_mdh8Yg649Vg/SHbXbaTEAHI/AAAAAAAABTw/5elJC3jsflw/s1600-h/zamb798-03.PNG

 

Nasty.

 

What's FC?

 

What makes it especially nasty, is that they all start on pretty much the same path from both the side and the top, making it harder for the batter to recognize what is coming.

It's a cut fastball. The data that they pulled on CubsFX.com wasn't complete, as I think there were 15 or so pitches missing, but he threw it just over 20 times.

 

He actually fell behind left handed batters quite frequently, but they still didn't have much success against Z.

 

I'm an idiot. I thought the CU stood for cutter, so I couldn't figure out FC. I was even thinking it must be change up since that is the only pitch missing.