R. Hill Turning the Corner ?

[Guest]

This thread is about Rich Hill, let's stick to that and not about Desipio. I didn't see any personal insults but it might be better for both guys to cool off.

[jersey cubs fan]

Is Hill still on the 40-man roster? So long as he is, it wouldn't be too difficult to get him onto the post-season roster. I'm not sure seven weeks will be enough time to get the stamina and consistency that will be needed to be on the 25-man roster on Aug 31, not to mention winning the confidence of Piniella and others.

 

He is on the 40-man and I don't think building endurance would be all that much of an issue. It's not like he's been on the DL and not throwing. He's been throwing quite a bit, I believe.

 

He hasn't been able to last more than 50-65 pitches though in a long while though, because he can't find the plate. He does need to build his endurance back up, but it shouldn't take too long.

 

Yeah, but my point was that the endurance will not likely be the issue that keeps him off the roster before Aug 31. It'll all be about consistency. If he consistently threw strikes he could be back up to 90-100 pitch counts by the end of July, if not sooner. Joba went from a 28 pitch relief outing to a 100-pitch start in 3 weeks. Hill doesn't really have that far to go, endurance wise.

[mul21]

How many did he throw the other night in his 4 IP? Must have been at least 50 with all the Ks. I would think next outing you could get him to 70-75, maybe 80-85 the one after that and then 90-100 the 3rd start. I don't see a huge issue as long as he can keep throwing strikes.

[Joe_Cub]

desipio is good reading for people who don't take themselves too seriously

[Elrhino]

Why does Rothschild get a free pass for the demolition of Mark Prior post-2003, as well as the regressions of Lilly and Marquis in 2008?

 

I don't see what's so special about him. They jacked around with a pitcher in Hill who didn't need tinkering, and now they've lost half the season's worth of Good Rich Hill just so they could make his delivery to home plate faster.

 

If Lilly and Marquis regressed in 2008, it's only because they overperformed in 2007. And if he's to blame for Rich Hill's demise, does that mean he also gets all the credit for Dempster's inexplicable season?

 

If you want to give the pitching coach all of this omnipotent power over pitching performances, then you have to give it out equally for the upside as well as the downside. Not just selectively cherry picking to suit your bias.

[Banedon]

Seriously. Drop the subject of Desipio. Not the thread for it.

[CuseCubFan69]

If the Cubs did acquire Maddux, is it possible he might be the fix Hill needs?

[Joe_Cub]

i thought that only worked with marshall.

 

i've got a lot of man love for maddux, but i don't think he's what this team needs, which is an upper-rotation starter. if he'd be coming back to coach the pitchers, then hire him as pitching coach down the line.

[CuseCubFan69]

i thought that only worked with marshall.

 

i've got a lot of man love for maddux, but i don't think he's what this team needs, which is an upper-rotation starter. if he'd be coming back to coach the pitchers, then hire him as pitching coach down the line.

 

I agree but if Hill came back to his 2007 form he would be a 2 or 3 type starter.

[Soul]

i thought that only worked with marshall.

 

i've got a lot of man love for maddux, but i don't think he's what this team needs, which is an upper-rotation starter. if he'd be coming back to coach the pitchers, then hire him as pitching coach down the line.

 

I agree but if Hill came back to his 2007 form he would be a 2 or 3 type starter.

 

Possibly true but I think we need to wait for more positive outings/results before concluding he would be able to do that this year.

[CuseCubFan69]

i thought that only worked with marshall.

 

i've got a lot of man love for maddux, but i don't think he's what this team needs, which is an upper-rotation starter. if he'd be coming back to coach the pitchers, then hire him as pitching coach down the line.

 

I agree but if Hill came back to his 2007 form he would be a 2 or 3 type starter.

 

Possibly true but I think we need to wait for more positive outings/results before concluding he would be able to do that this year.

 

He'd have a fresh arm for the playoffs though! Have Maddux pitch his 5 innings and then bring Hill in to finish until he's ready.

[jersey cubs fan]

If the Cubs did acquire Maddux, is it possible he might be the fix Hill needs?

 

 

I highly doubt it. I have never believed in the theory that Maddux makes his fellow pitchers better. People talk about it. Guys claim they've learned so much from him, but I haven't seen any evidence that pitchers actually improve upon his arrival to the team.

[CuseCubFan69]

If the Cubs did acquire Maddux, is it possible he might be the fix Hill needs?

 

 

I highly doubt it. I have never believed in the theory that Maddux makes his fellow pitchers better. People talk about it. Guys claim they've learned so much from him, but I haven't seen any evidence that pitchers actually improve upon his arrival to the team.

 

I don't think he'd make all of them better but I think he would be a good teacher for Hill. I wouldn't like to see a bunch of people putting imput into Hills had though, it reminds me of CPatt and all the input he received, I think it hurt him overall listening to too many people and I'm a little worried this might happen to Hill.

[jersey cubs fan]

If the Cubs did acquire Maddux, is it possible he might be the fix Hill needs?

 

 

I highly doubt it. I have never believed in the theory that Maddux makes his fellow pitchers better. People talk about it. Guys claim they've learned so much from him, but I haven't seen any evidence that pitchers actually improve upon his arrival to the team.

 

I don't think he'd make all of them better but I think he would be a good teacher for Hill. I wouldn't like to see a bunch of people putting imput into Hills had though, it reminds me of CPatt and all the input he received, I think it hurt him overall listening to too many people and I'm a little worried this might happen to Hill.

 

Hill has already spent some time around Maddux, and he wasn't really any good until Greg was traded. I just don't see any reason to suspect Maddux would or could help. And I really don't want to see them go after what is essentially another bottom of the rotation pitcher.

[CuseCubFan69]

If the Cubs did acquire Maddux, is it possible he might be the fix Hill needs?

 

 

I highly doubt it. I have never believed in the theory that Maddux makes his fellow pitchers better. People talk about it. Guys claim they've learned so much from him, but I haven't seen any evidence that pitchers actually improve upon his arrival to the team.

 

I don't think he'd make all of them better but I think he would be a good teacher for Hill. I wouldn't like to see a bunch of people putting imput into Hills had though, it reminds me of CPatt and all the input he received, I think it hurt him overall listening to too many people and I'm a little worried this might happen to Hill.

 

Hill has already spent some time around Maddux, and he wasn't really any good until Greg was traded. I just don't see any reason to suspect Maddux would or could help. And I really don't want to see them go after what is essentially another bottom of the rotation pitcher.

 

I don't either but I thought that Maddux would come cheap and if it also brought Hill back into the rotation it would be a nice way of fixing the rotation without costing any quality young players that the Cubs could move for an impact player in the off season.

[GaborBako]

Seriously. Drop the subject of Desipio. Not the thread for it.

 

Where's that thread?

[E.J.]

Seriously. Drop the subject of Desipio. Not the thread for it.

 

Where's that thread?

 

http://www.desipio.com

[Tyrant]

Seriously. Drop the subject of Desipio. Not the thread for it.

 

Where's that thread?

 

I'm amazed you've lasted as long as you have here.

 

Shame on you. Shame. On. You.

[David]

Not to get off the subject of Rich Hill turning the corner, here, but I've yet to see an actual balls/strikes breakdown of Hill's most recent start.

 

I know he had a good K-BB, but do we know how the actual ratio in terms of pitches? I believe he also had a wild pitch, although that doesn't necessarily mean much.

[Guest]

Not to get off the subject of Rich Hill turning the corner, here, but I've yet to see an actual balls/strikes breakdown of Hill's most recent start.

 

I know he had a good K-BB, but do we know how the actual ratio in terms of pitches? I believe he also had a wild pitch, although that doesn't necessarily mean much.

 

It's exteremly tough to find that kind of data at rookie league games - MiLB.com lists it in their box scores for AAA and there are announcers and many fans at games at other levels who could keep track of that but that doesn't happen in the AZL. That info would have to come from the coaching staff, probably into a local Chicago rag's story on Hill.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Not to get off the subject of Rich Hill turning the corner, here, but I've yet to see an actual balls/strikes breakdown of Hill's most recent start.

 

I know he had a good K-BB, but do we know how the actual ratio in terms of pitches? I believe he also had a wild pitch, although that doesn't necessarily mean much.

 

It's exteremly tough to find that kind of data at rookie league games - MiLB.com lists it in their box scores for AAA and there are announcers and many fans at games at other levels who could keep track of that but that doesn't happen in the AZL. That info would have to come from the coaching staff, probably into a local Chicago rag's story on Hill.

 

Or maybe AZPhil at the Cub Reporter could provide it, had he taken note of it. AZ Phil does a pretty good job reporting on such things.

[Warren Brusstar]

Not to get off the subject of Rich Hill turning the corner, here, but I've yet to see an actual balls/strikes breakdown of Hill's most recent start.

 

I know he had a good K-BB, but do we know how the actual ratio in terms of pitches? I believe he also had a wild pitch, although that doesn't necessarily mean much.

 

It's exteremly tough to find that kind of data at rookie league games - MiLB.com lists it in their box scores for AAA and there are announcers and many fans at games at other levels who could keep track of that but that doesn't happen in the AZL. That info would have to come from the coaching staff, probably into a local Chicago rag's story on Hill.

 

Or maybe AZPhil at the Cub Reporter could provide it, had he taken note of it. AZ Phil does a pretty good job reporting on such things.

 

How do you know that?

[David]

Not to take anything away from AZPhil (as I might even be remembering wrong), but wasn't he the one who came out with the infamous early 2007 spring training report saying that Prior looked like "2003 Mark Prior?"

 

Or was that Al Yellon?

 

All these damn bloggers...can't keep track.

[abuck1220]

Not to get off the subject of Rich Hill turning the corner, here, but I've yet to see an actual balls/strikes breakdown of Hill's most recent start.

 

I know he had a good K-BB, but do we know how the actual ratio in terms of pitches? I believe he also had a wild pitch, although that doesn't necessarily mean much.

 

It's exteremly tough to find that kind of data at rookie league games - MiLB.com lists it in their box scores for AAA and there are announcers and many fans at games at other levels who could keep track of that but that doesn't happen in the AZL. That info would have to come from the coaching staff, probably into a local Chicago rag's story on Hill.

 

Or maybe AZPhil at the Cub Reporter could provide it, had he taken note of it. AZ Phil does a pretty good job reporting on such things.

 

How do you know that?

 

i'm assuming he can count.

[Coach C]

When is Rich's next start?