Home field advantage and all-star game

[hardcorecubfan]

I don't mind it being a deciding factor if it was at the bottom of a tier such as best record in baseball thebn divisional winner over wild-card then the all-star game. Only using the all-star game as a final criteria if all is equal

[Flames24Rulz]

Derwood's talking about the structure of the game. In basketball some teams will have better winning percentages at home than others, or have a better crowd to contribute to that. In baseball, the home team always has the advantage of the last at bat, regardless of their quality.

 

that is what i mean.

 

and the homecourt in the NBA is more about ref's being extremely biased towards the home teams than anything else

 

I wasn't talking about just the NBA either.

[SpongeWorthy]

Yeah, I think home field/court advantage is more important in the NFL and NBA than it is in baseball and DEFINITELY in college football that's the case.

 

I understand there's a rule as to why home teams have a built in advantage in baseball but if that doesn't overcome referee favoritism, crowd noise, comfort level, etc. then I don't see why it's material to the argument.

[GoCrazy]

I agree that it really isn't much worse than just alternating, if the NL could actually win an All-Star game or two. But the fact that Selig would use the pinnacle moment of the game which is the World Series to try and fix what was just an exhibition game for the fans is beyond ridiculous. Why home field isn't determined by record or some other seasonal result is beyond me.

[NCCubFan]

It still determines home field for the WS. Incredibly STUPID move by Selig.

 

Especially after this

 

 

That game was the reason WHY they did it.

Exactly. Selig made a stupid call in 2002, so to make up for it he makes an even worse decision to ensure that he won't make any more stupid decisions during the game.

 

Apparently it never occurred to him that there could be other ways of ensuring that there would be a winner in the All-Star Game.

[bukie]

I think the real myth is that ending the All Star game in a tie was somehow a travesty that needed to be avoided at all costs.

[adamb0719]

What happens if the game gets rained out? Will they just play it the next day?

[VanceJergins]

Derwood's talking about the structure of the game. In basketball some teams will have better winning percentages at home than others, or have a better crowd to contribute to that. In baseball, the home team always has the advantage of the last at bat, regardless of their quality.

 

Serious question: Is that really an advantage? Is there actual evidence for that?

[chuckywang]

Derwood's talking about the structure of the game. In basketball some teams will have better winning percentages at home than others, or have a better crowd to contribute to that. In baseball, the home team always has the advantage of the last at bat, regardless of their quality.

 

Serious question: Is that really an advantage? Is there actual evidence for that?

 

Historical home/away splits for extra inning games would be useful. However, I looked and couldn't find it.

Edited June 24, 2008 by chuckywang

[SouthSideRyan]

What happens if the game gets rained out? Will they just play it the next day?

 

I'd bet a lot of money they have no contingency plan.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

What happens if the game gets rained out? Will they just play it the next day?

 

I'd bet a lot of money they have no contingency plan.

 

I'm now hoping this happens so I can find out.

[chuckywang]

Found this:

http://www.retrosheet.org/Research/SmithD/ScoringPattern.pdf

[NCCubFan]

What happens if the game gets rained out? Will they just play it the next day?

I'm sure that's what will happen. That did happen in 1969 (yes, I actually remember that).

[Guest]

It still determines home field for the WS. Incredibly STUPID move by Selig.

 

Especially after this

 

 

That game was the reason WHY they did it.

 

 

I couldn't care less about this because the alternating years method that they employed before this was just about as dumb.

 

How would you decide home field? I personally don't have a problem with the alternating years method. The way it's done now with the ASG is flat out dumb. I don't think it's fair to allow the team with the better record to do it because the two WS teams played only a couple of the same opponents during the year. At least with home-field within the NL, the two teams still played a majority of games against the same teams. And if you use interleague record, I don't think that's fair either because you're allowing teams who don't even make the playoffs to help decide which league gets home field.

[Derwood]

It still determines home field for the WS. Incredibly STUPID move by Selig.

 

Especially after this

 

 

That game was the reason WHY they did it.

 

 

I couldn't care less about this because the alternating years method that they employed before this was just about as dumb.

 

How would you decide home field? I personally don't have a problem with the alternating years method. The way it's done now with the ASG is flat out dumb. I don't think it's fair to allow the team with the better record to do it because the two WS teams played only a couple of the same opponents during the year. At least with home-field within the NL, the two teams still played a majority of games against the same teams. And if you use interleague record, I don't think that's fair either because you're allowing teams who don't even make the playoffs to help decide which league gets home field.

 

name me a professional sport where every team plays the exact same schedule

[shnsajax]

It still determines home field for the WS. Incredibly STUPID move by Selig.

 

Especially after this

 

 

That game was the reason WHY they did it.

 

 

I couldn't care less about this because the alternating years method that they employed before this was just about as dumb.

 

How would you decide home field? I personally don't have a problem with the alternating years method. The way it's done now with the ASG is flat out dumb. I don't think it's fair to allow the team with the better record to do it because the two WS teams played only a couple of the same opponents during the year. At least with home-field within the NL, the two teams still played a majority of games against the same teams. And if you use interleague record, I don't think that's fair either because you're allowing teams who don't even make the playoffs to help decide which league gets home field.

 

name me a professional sport where every team plays the exact same schedule

 

haha, pretty much every professional soccer league in Europe. They might play extra games that don't count towards the league championship, but everyone plays the exact same schedule for the league.

[Derwood]

It still determines home field for the WS. Incredibly STUPID move by Selig.

 

Especially after this

 

 

That game was the reason WHY they did it.

 

 

I couldn't care less about this because the alternating years method that they employed before this was just about as dumb.

 

How would you decide home field? I personally don't have a problem with the alternating years method. The way it's done now with the ASG is flat out dumb. I don't think it's fair to allow the team with the better record to do it because the two WS teams played only a couple of the same opponents during the year. At least with home-field within the NL, the two teams still played a majority of games against the same teams. And if you use interleague record, I don't think that's fair either because you're allowing teams who don't even make the playoffs to help decide which league gets home field.

 

name me a professional sport where every team plays the exact same schedule

 

haha, pretty much every professional soccer league in Europe. They might play extra games that don't count towards the league championship, but everyone plays the exact same schedule for the league.

 

everyone knows soccer doesn't count ;)

[jersey cubs fan]

It still determines home field for the WS. Incredibly STUPID move by Selig.

 

Especially after this

 

 

That game was the reason WHY they did it.

 

 

I couldn't care less about this because the alternating years method that they employed before this was just about as dumb.

 

How would you decide home field? I personally don't have a problem with the alternating years method. The way it's done now with the ASG is flat out dumb. I don't think it's fair to allow the team with the better record to do it because the two WS teams played only a couple of the same opponents during the year. At least with home-field within the NL, the two teams still played a majority of games against the same teams. And if you use interleague record, I don't think that's fair either because you're allowing teams who don't even make the playoffs to help decide which league gets home field.

 

name me a professional sport where every team plays the exact same schedule

 

haha, pretty much every professional soccer league in Europe. They might play extra games that don't count towards the league championship, but everyone plays the exact same schedule for the league.

 

Fairly significant difference. All those leagues constitute the sport when combined. They end up playing each other in a champions league, right?

[tfarks]

I would be ok if the all star game was like the 5th tiebreaker. And who are we kidding? The AL will win once again - it's an inevitability.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It still determines home field for the WS. Incredibly STUPID move by Selig.

 

Especially after this

 

 

That game was the reason WHY they did it.

 

 

I couldn't care less about this because the alternating years method that they employed before this was just about as dumb.

 

How would you decide home field? I personally don't have a problem with the alternating years method. The way it's done now with the ASG is flat out dumb. I don't think it's fair to allow the team with the better record to do it because the two WS teams played only a couple of the same opponents during the year. At least with home-field within the NL, the two teams still played a majority of games against the same teams. And if you use interleague record, I don't think that's fair either because you're allowing teams who don't even make the playoffs to help decide which league gets home field.

 

name me a professional sport where every team plays the exact same schedule

 

haha, pretty much every professional soccer league in Europe. They might play extra games that don't count towards the league championship, but everyone plays the exact same schedule for the league.

 

Fairly significant difference. All those leagues constitute the sport when combined. They end up playing each other in a champions league, right?

 

Well, not every league is in the Champions league, and there's other championship tournaments that are played for besides the Champions League.

[jersey cubs fan]

It still determines home field for the WS. Incredibly STUPID move by Selig.

 

Especially after this

 

 

That game was the reason WHY they did it.

 

 

I couldn't care less about this because the alternating years method that they employed before this was just about as dumb.

 

How would you decide home field? I personally don't have a problem with the alternating years method. The way it's done now with the ASG is flat out dumb. I don't think it's fair to allow the team with the better record to do it because the two WS teams played only a couple of the same opponents during the year. At least with home-field within the NL, the two teams still played a majority of games against the same teams. And if you use interleague record, I don't think that's fair either because you're allowing teams who don't even make the playoffs to help decide which league gets home field.

 

name me a professional sport where every team plays the exact same schedule

 

haha, pretty much every professional soccer league in Europe. They might play extra games that don't count towards the league championship, but everyone plays the exact same schedule for the league.

 

Fairly significant difference. All those leagues constitute the sport when combined. They end up playing each other in a champions league, right?

 

Well, not every league is in the Champions league, and there's other championship tournaments that are played for besides the Champions League.

 

I know there's more to it than that, but my point was there are a very different comparisons for something like the EPL and MLB or NFL.

[SouthSideRyan]

It still determines home field for the WS. Incredibly STUPID move by Selig.

 

Especially after this

 

 

That game was the reason WHY they did it.

 

 

I couldn't care less about this because the alternating years method that they employed before this was just about as dumb.

 

How would you decide home field? I personally don't have a problem with the alternating years method. The way it's done now with the ASG is flat out dumb. I don't think it's fair to allow the team with the better record to do it because the two WS teams played only a couple of the same opponents during the year. At least with home-field within the NL, the two teams still played a majority of games against the same teams. And if you use interleague record, I don't think that's fair either because you're allowing teams who don't even make the playoffs to help decide which league gets home field.

 

name me a professional sport where every team plays the exact same schedule

 

haha, pretty much every professional soccer league in Europe. They might play extra games that don't count towards the league championship, but everyone plays the exact same schedule for the league.

 

Fairly significant difference. All those leagues constitute the sport when combined. They end up playing each other in a champions league, right?

 

Well, not every league is in the Champions league, and there's other championship tournaments that are played for besides the Champions League.

 

I know there's more to it than that, but my point was there are a very different comparisons for something like the EPL and MLB or NFL.

 

Of course the NFL plays on a neutral site.