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How about another Billy...Billy Corgan.

 

http://cache.idolator.com/assets/resources/2007/03/corgannnn.jpg

 

 

Don't ever let Dalhausser spike. Man he puts it away about every time.

 

That's what I was gonna post.

 

You have Billy Corgan bedsheets, don't you?

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How about another Billy...Billy Corgan.

 

http://cache.idolator.com/assets/resources/2007/03/corgannnn.jpg

 

 

Don't ever let Dalhausser spike. Man he puts it away about every time.

 

That's what I was gonna post.

 

You have Billy Corgan bedsheets, don't you?

 

Absolutely. Also footy pajamas.

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Apparently the IOC is now undertaking an official investigation into the age of China's female gymnasts. Costas announced it a little bit ago.
Actually I believe the IOC is asking the International Gymnastics Federation to undertaking an investigation, as opposed to doing it themselves (at least that's what was stated in the ESPN article I linked to a page or two ago). I believe issues such as this are decided by the individual sports' governing bodies (since they make the rules in the first place), not the IOC. I think it was the same four years ago when there was the men's all-around controversy.
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China controls all the documents, and I can't imagine them stripping medals without official documents proving they aren't 16.

 

We all know they are lying, but they know that no one is gutsy enough to call them on it.

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Apparently the IOC is now undertaking an official investigation into the age of China's female gymnasts. Costas announced it a little bit ago.
Actually I believe the IOC is asking the International Gymnastics Federation to undertaking an investigation, as opposed to doing it themselves (at least that's what was stated in the ESPN article I linked to a page or two ago). I believe issues such as this are decided by the individual sports' governing bodies (since they make the rules in the first place), not the IOC. I think it was the same four years ago when there was the men's all-around controversy.

 

Cool. I suppose I should have known you guys would have discussed it a couple pages back by the time Costas mentioned it in his daily wrap :)

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China controls all the documents, and I can't imagine them stripping medals without official documents proving they aren't 16.

 

We all know they are lying, but they know that no one is gutsy enough to call them on it.

 

Personally, if China doesn't cooperate, I could see both the IOC and the IGF invalidate's China's Gold in Women Gymnastic. In terms the gold the China would have won in the gymnastic all it would amount to is being a (expensive) paperweight. And isn't that what athletes dream about? Not necessarily winning the gold medal, but that medal validating (and acknowledge by the IGF and IOC) the fact that you are the best in your sport. What's the point of winning the gold medal, if people don't recognize you as a "Gold medalist?"

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China controls all the documents, and I can't imagine them stripping medals without official documents proving they aren't 16.

 

We all know they are lying, but they know that no one is gutsy enough to call them on it.

 

Personally, if China doesn't cooperate, I could see both the IOC and the IGF invalidate's China's Gold in Women Gymnastic. In terms the gold the China would have won in the gymnastic all it would amount to is being a (expensive) paperweight. And isn't that what athletes dream about? Not necessarily winning the gold medal, but that medal validating (and acknowledge by the IGF and IOC) the fact that you are the best in your sport. What's the point of winning the gold medal, if people don't recognize you as a "Gold medalist?"

China will cooperate. It will print up shiny new documents for this child, showing her to be 16 years and change. They'll lie, but it's not like there's any applicable law to punish them or superior organization to show age.

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China controls all the documents, and I can't imagine them stripping medals without official documents proving they aren't 16.

 

yeah well they have documents "proving" that they're 16 - unfortunately they're falsified documents and there will never really be any proof otherwise.

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Unreal start to the 3rd set. Let's see another US beating of Brazil for the gold.

 

Seriously he is blocking everything.

 

He took over that set...domination

 

yeah that was awesome to watch... it took him a while to realize how much work it takes to be great at beach volleyball (you have to be in top shape - it's very tough running/jumping on sand) but now that he is in great shape, he's the best player in the world. he's pretty solid as a passer and setter, but dominant as a hitter and blocker. i don't think i can remember a point that the brasilians served him - rogers is a pretty good hitter, but you don't want dalhausser hitting if you can avoid it at all.

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my guess is that they don't strip China of the gold medals, but they do bump up the other competitors, leaving us with duel-gold medalists in a few events
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China controls all the documents, and I can't imagine them stripping medals without official documents proving they aren't 16.

 

We all know they are lying, but they know that no one is gutsy enough to call them on it.

 

Personally, if China doesn't cooperate, I could see both the IOC and the IGF invalidate's China's Gold in Women Gymnastic. In terms the gold the China would have won in the gymnastic all it would amount to is being a (expensive) paperweight. And isn't that what athletes dream about? Not necessarily winning the gold medal, but that medal validating (and acknowledge by the IGF and IOC) the fact that you are the best in your sport. What's the point of winning the gold medal, if people don't recognize you as a "Gold medalist?"

China will cooperate. It will print up shiny new documents for this child, showing her to be 16 years and change. They'll lie, but it's not like there's any applicable law to punish them or superior organization to show age.

 

That'll work until she shows up for her 4th grade class.

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Personally, with everything else being equal, I'd probably rather not know that I was beaten by someone that young. And the lower the age, the worse I'd feel.

 

Take issue with the judging, but losing to someone who should not have qualified because of a disadvantage (age) wouldn't be something I'd want to make a big deal of.

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my guess is that they don't strip China of the gold medals, but they do bump up the other competitors, leaving us with duel-gold medalists in a few events
There is some precedence for that. The most recent I recall is the Canadian figure skating pair from the 2002 Winter Olympics after the scandal involving the French judge. That's also what I tthink should have happened with the men's gymnastics all-around in the last Olympics after the scoring error that was caught too late.
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Personally, with everything else being equal, I'd probably rather not know that I was beaten by someone that young. And the lower the age, the worse I'd feel.

 

Take issue with the judging, but losing to someone who should not have qualified because of a disadvantage (age) wouldn't be something I'd want to make a big deal of.

 

In most cases I'd agree with you, but in gymnastics being smaller, lighter, and more flexible allows you to do more difficult routines a little easier than some of the older more muscular athletes can.

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Watching the girls 4x100 that was a disgusting hand off, who taught them to receive a hand off that way? My Special Olympic kids work with a simple hand-off that is so much more efficient than that. the coaches should be shot!!!

 

Attention USOC: I am offering you my services to teach your coaches and athletes the proper technique in receiving a proper hand-off. My consultant fee is reasonable 50K one time price. I will return that money if you fail to win the gold.

 

Get your application in.

 

BEIJING (AP) -- The leader of USA Track and Field said the federation will conduct a "comprehensive review" of the way it trains and coaches its relay teams after the men's and women's 4x100m relay teams each blew medal chances by dropping the baton in Olympic qualifying.

 

American men's and women's 4x100m relay teams drop the baton and do not advance to the finals. In his weekly blog on the USATF Web site, CEO Doug Logan said he has received a number of e-mails from fans saying the dropped batons in both relays Thursday were "reflective of a lack of preparation, lack of professionalism, and of leadership."

 

"I agree," Logan wrote Friday. "Dropping a baton isn't bad luck, it's bad execution. Responsibility for the relay debacle lies with many people and many groups, from administration to coaches to athletes. That's why, when these Games are completed, we will conduct a comprehensive review of all our programs."

 

http://www.nbcolympics.com/trackandfield/news/newsid=246958.html

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Personally, with everything else being equal, I'd probably rather not know that I was beaten by someone that young. And the lower the age, the worse I'd feel.

 

Take issue with the judging, but losing to someone who should not have qualified because of a disadvantage (age) wouldn't be something I'd want to make a big deal of.

 

In most cases I'd agree with you, but in gymnastics being smaller, lighter, and more flexible allows you to do more difficult routines a little easier than some of the older more muscular athletes can.

You can still be pretty small but gain some useful lean muscle that doesn't develop quickly at a younger age. Plus, I'd imagine that an extra two years of experience can make a huge difference.

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Personally, with everything else being equal, I'd probably rather not know that I was beaten by someone that young. And the lower the age, the worse I'd feel.

 

Take issue with the judging, but losing to someone who should not have qualified because of a disadvantage (age) wouldn't be something I'd want to make a big deal of.

 

Being smaller and lighter is a huge advantage in women's gymnastics although I think it is somewhat hypocritical of Bela to whine about it since Nadia was only 14 when she made him a star.

 

Bottom line - the rules should be the same for all countries. Why should only China's below 16 gymnasts get to compete in the Olympics?

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.....although I think it is somewhat hypocritical of Bela to whine about it since Nadia was only 14 when she made him a star.
I disagree, because that was within the rules that existed back then. All he's asking for is that everybody be held to the rules, and as long as he himself complied with the rules that existed at the time there's nothing hypocritical at all.

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