Re: College Basketball 2008-2009

[SouthSideRyan]

Nobody respects Michigan. They're a tourney team.

[hawkeyecub]

stop booing you hicks, you need to be set to draw a charge, not be sliding to your left with barely one foot on the ground.

 

It was a block. But the charge that went against Cole with 2 minutes left was weak also.

 

Look at all of PSU's calls in the last 1:30. Battle and Pringle weren't even touched on their 3 point plays. Battle fell and they called a foul on Gatens.

[TruffleShuffle]

stop booing you hicks, you need to be set to draw a charge, not be sliding to your left with barely one foot on the ground.

 

It was a block. But the charge that went against Cole with 2 minutes left was weak also.

 

Look at all of PSU's calls in the last 1:30. Battle and Pringle weren't even touched on their 3 point plays. Battle fell and they called a foul on Gatens.

 

gatens went up with his hands above the defender, not straight up. of course that was a foul. and i'm sure you noticed the bogus call on d.j. jackson in the first half for backing the defender down in the blocks, when iowa spent the entire second half doing the same thing without a call. fouls were 19 for penn st and 11 for iowa; considering that iowa shoots 90% of their shots from beyond the arc i'd say that's pretty generous home cooking.

[TruffleShuffle]

20.4 PPG, 6 boards, 4.2 assists, 49% from the field, 50% from the field, 46% from 3. And all of them were banked in.

 

good for him, he still banked in two huge threes in overtime.

 

Hey Jamelle, if you're such a tough guy why did you get 1 rebound in 46 freaking minutes?

 

might have something to do with him playing with a separated shoulder.

 

Oh and Truffle about the pace deal. We're always going to be in close games because we play a slow, boring pace? Yes, nothing like the racehorses from PSU. At less than 3 possessions more per game there's an extreme difference.

 

i didn't say penn st was an up-tempo team, they're slow and boring too, just like iowa - which is why a lot of penn state's games are close too. but i do find it amusing that you're upset with me terming iowa a slow-paced, boring team. here's the pomeroy tempo rankings - note that iowa is 343rd out of 344 in adjusted tempo, and dead last in raw tempo. if you like those types of basketball games then that's cool; personally i think that style is slow (can't argue that) and boring (that's a matter of personal preference).

[bcl412]

I can understand the argument that Iowa's close games are skewed a bit because of their style and it is kind of false to deny it. But something has to be said for a team who is able to get teams to play their style (yes a lot of that does have to do with the Big Ten).

 

The thing is though, if you lose by 4,5 6 points than your losing by a couple of baskets. Iowa has lost a bunch of games by 6 points or less and some of that has to be do to luck. A team probably has 3-4 shots a game at least that miss, plus when you add in bad calls 6 point margins don't mean much. Although, Iowa has won a few games in OT so maybe my point is kind of moot (if I had one).

 

I'll shut up now.

[SouthSideRyan]

For BTT seeding:

 

Purdue wins tomorrow, they get the 2, they lose they get the 3. Illinois gets the other one.

 

Minnesota plays the loser of the OSU/NU game in the 8-9 game.

 

A OSU win puts them in the 4/5 game. Same for Wisky. Wisky will only miss out on a bye if they lose and OSU wins.

[manbearcub]

refs were fine. this argument is dumb. kelly is a stud for puking in the hallway in the middle of the game and then posting a double double.

[hawkeyecub]

gatens went up with his hands above the defender, not straight up. of course that was a foul.

 

So if you go in with your hands up it's a foul, even if you don't make any contact? Interesting logic.

 

fouls were 19 for penn st and 11 for iowa; considering that iowa shoots 90% of their shots from beyond the arc i'd say that's pretty generous home cooking.

 

Actually it was just over 50% of Iowa's shots that were from 3. 43% of PSU's shots were from 3. But yes you were very close. You also conveniently ignore the 3 fouls or more that PSU gave at the end.

 

Seriously go watch the last 2 minutes of regulation and tell me Iowa got any home cooking. Every call in that comeback favored PSU. You had the exact same complaints about officiating after Iowa beat PSU in football. It's lame.

[hawkeyecub]

 

Hey Jamelle, if you're such a tough guy why did you get 1 rebound in 46 freaking minutes?

 

might have something to do with him playing with a separated shoulder.

 

Yet that separated shoulder did not limit him from waving his arms over his head and freaking out like a clown. Nor did it prevent him from hitting a 3. Or really doing anything else except playing 46 minutes and only getting 1 board.

 

i didn't say penn st was an up-tempo team, they're slow and boring too, just like iowa - which is why a lot of penn state's games are close too. but i do find it amusing that you're upset with me terming iowa a slow-paced, boring team. here's the pomeroy tempo rankings - note that iowa is 343rd out of 344 in adjusted tempo, and dead last in raw tempo. if you like those types of basketball games then that's cool; personally i think that style is slow (can't argue that) and boring (that's a matter of personal preference).

 

Well then you can use that same argument against the whole Big Ten virtually. And I'm well aware of our pace.

 

The point is a 1 possession game still is heavily influenced by luck as you saw today. Regardless of whether it's a 51 possession game or a 78 possession game.

 

Pomeroy ranks our luck 324th in the nation.

[TruffleShuffle]

So if you go in with your hands up it's a foul, even if you don't make any contact? Interesting logic.

 

yeah that's not what happened.

 

Seriously go watch the last 2 minutes of regulation and tell me Iowa got any home cooking. Every call in that comeback favored PSU. You had the exact same complaints about officiating after Iowa beat PSU in football. It's lame.

 

there's home cooking for everyone in the big ten, if you've watched any big ten basketball in any season you should know this. it doesn't matter what calls were going what way down the stretch; battle was getting calls in the last two minutes because he was driving to the basket and initiating contact with players who weren't set, weren't keeping their feet on the ground when contesting shots and weren't going straight up with their arms. iowa's guards don't have any athletic ability so they don't use their quickness and aggressiveness to get to the hole; if they did, they'd probably draw fouls and get to the line.

 

don't let the fans' booing confuse you; they should've been pissed at the bad free throw shooting by your bigs and iowa pissing the ball away against the press, not by the officiating.

[TruffleShuffle]

at this point i'll end my part of the argument because both teams are boring and (most seasons) irrelevant, and this is too much time spent arguing over these two pointless teams.

[CubColtPacer]

For BTT seeding:

 

Purdue wins tomorrow, they get the 2, they lose they get the 3. Illinois gets the other one.

 

Minnesota plays the loser of the OSU/NU game in the 8-9 game.

 

A OSU win puts them in the 4/5 game. Same for Wisky. Wisky will only miss out on a bye if they lose and OSU wins.

 

So IU's opponent has been narrowed down to Penn State, Michigan, or Northwestern. At least those 3 opponents IU has had a chance to beat in at least 1 of their games. I was dreading having to play Wisconsin or Ohio State and I wasn't too thrilled about playing Minnesota either. IU will probably lose to any of the teams that face them, but at least they have a chance against those teams if they can shoot the ball well.

 

Dumes is out for tomorrow's game against Wisconsin. That lowers IU's chances of winning from .001% to .00001%.

[illiniguy]

I prefer the style the big ten plays. But, I understand a lot of people don't. I do think it hurts the conference with recruiting though as we don't run as much as other leagues.

[Sosa21MVP]

I am a Big Ten fan but dear lord all these 40-some point games are atrocious. This league can be good AND not be terminally boring at the same time. It has happened before.

[Rusch33]

Barring Michigan State, the Big 10 isn't going to get one team out of the first weekend.

 

And if everything goes according to Lunardi's bracket, Michigan State might be the first big seed to fall (in the first weekend to Davidson).

[Guest]

VMI lost to Radford 108-94 today in the Big South title game.

 

But the most interesting thing to me was the shooting preferences of both teams.

 

Radford attempted 70 field goals with eight of those being 3-pointers. VMI took 76 field goals with 50 being 3-pointers. I knew they shot a ton of 3's but holy crap.

[Guest]

Barring Michigan State, the Big 10 isn't going to get one team out of the first weekend.

 

And if everything goes according to Lunardi's bracket, Michigan State might be the first big seed to fall (in the first weekend to Davidson).

 

This is not last season's Davidson team.

[hawkeyecub]

Barring Michigan State, the Big 10 isn't going to get one team out of the first weekend.

 

And if everything goes according to Lunardi's bracket, Michigan State might be the first big seed to fall (in the first weekend to Davidson).

 

1. I bet one other does. Either way it's foolish to make that prediction when you have absolutely no idea what the matchups or seeds will be.

 

2. Davidson stinks.

[hawkeyecub]

at this point i'll end my part of the argument because both teams are boring and (most seasons) irrelevant, and this is too much time spent arguing over these two pointless teams.

 

If only we could discuss Holy Cross instead...

 

If you want to complain about officiating that's fine. I disagree and I think the last 2 minutes where there were multiple phantom calls with no contact during your comeback even them out.

 

You used the foul numbers and claimed it showed home cooking because Iowa shot almost all 3's. In fact the numbers show PSU didn't shoot many fewer than Iowa so that was off. Did you see the game and the 26 points in the paint Iowa got after halftime? You also ignored the intentional fouls PSU gave down the stretch.

 

And again your luck argument is just off base. A one or two possession game is still highly dependent on variables like bad calls or luck. Pomeroy has Iowa ranked 324 in luck this year.

[Jon]

7 hours until the biggest game in program history for Northwestern. I don't think we'll see a repeat of both teams shooting roughly 52% for 3 (NU went 13 for 25 on Moore's 7 for 12 performance and Ohio State went 10 for 19 with Diebler hitting 8 of 10), though it wouldn't surprise me. This team has played pretty well in rematches so far this year, but it'll be hard to shut down Turner again. Of course, we played that game without Mirkovic, as he was out with the flu.

 

A win puts us in a good position with a likely must-win 7/10 matchup against Iowa or a 6th seed matchup against Indiana if they pull off the upset. A loss will result in a much more difficult time in the BTT with an early first round game against Minnesota, though that would still have sizeable implications on NIT seeding.

[Derwood]

Go Northwestern! Need someone to pull an upset here to keep PSU from plummeting in the standings.

[illiniguy]

I am a Big Ten fan but dear lord all these 40-some point games are atrocious. This league can be good AND not be terminally boring at the same time. It has happened before.

All these forty point games? Really there were only a few horrible games. The Illinoins Penn State game was the only one that was awful.

[SouthSideRyan]

VMI lost to Radford 108-94 today in the Big South title game.

 

But the most interesting thing to me was the shooting preferences of both teams.

 

Radford attempted 70 field goals with eight of those being 3-pointers. VMI took 76 field goals with 50 being 3-pointers. I knew they shot a ton of 3's but holy crap.

 

As a fan of a team who wouldn't have to play them in the 1st round, I'm really pissed VMI won't be in the tourney.

[SouthSideRyan]

Barring Michigan State, the Big 10 isn't going to get one team out of the first weekend.

 

And if everything goes according to Lunardi's bracket, Michigan State might be the first big seed to fall (in the first weekend to Davidson).

 

It's ridiculous to say that when the Big Ten is a good bet to get 7 teams with an outside shot at 8.

 

It's even more ridiculous to think MSU should be afraid of Davidson.

 

It's the most ridiculousto base anything on Lunardi's bracket.

[SouthSideRyan]

I am a Big Ten fan but dear lord all these 40-some point games are atrocious. This league can be good AND not be terminally boring at the same time. It has happened before.

All these forty point games? Really there were only a few horrible games. The Illinoins Penn State game was the only one that was awful.

 

Illinois-Minnesota was horrendous. Iowa had a couple clunkers too early in the year.