Re: College Basketball 2008-2009

[Vanilla Ice]

From what I've read, UNC has to be considered a solid threat.

Plus, they get basically whoever they want.

 

Roy Williams has got to be the best recruiter in the nation

[snoodmonger]

I think the early leaders on Barnes are KU, Florida, and .... Duke maybe? There was a third team. I think it was Duke. The recruiting expert on KU's scout board was just talking about it.

 

 

EDIT: It was Duke. Those are the three teams that have been on him longest, the recruiting guys say. (Outside of the Iowa schools.) But it's so early, they expect that leader board to get a bit more crowded.

 

Was that before UNC offered? They were the last remaining power to offer (somewhat recently) and according to my guy they jumped near the top pretty quickly.

 

The rest of what you said is correct though.

 

 

A lot of the UNC talk is based on a report from ESPN that was inaccurate, according to the guys on scout. He's already visited the three schools I mentioned. They are the top of the list. But like I said, it's so early, UNC has plenty of time to move to the top. They're just not there yet.

[CubbieBum]

I like your coach a lot as well, but even he would tell you that you need good players to win. Those are generally the guys that have the stars next to their names when they are being recruited.

 

i just don't see iowa being relevant in any big ten discussion. if it happens, i'll be extremely surprised. there are just other teams that have more going for themselves.

I really think that it will be OSU and Illinois going for it in a few years. They are both going to be loaded. But, I also think that Purdue, Wisky, MSU, and even Minnesota will be pretty goodd again.s exciting to have the big ten getting good again.

 

i think purdue is there to stay, i think msu is going nowhere, osu gets every single good player on earth, wisco will continue to contend with whomever they bring in and they're fairly loaded with incoming players, and minnesota is absolutely on their way back up in terms of recruiting. there just isn't any room for iowa at the table, although it would be good for the big ten.

 

As much as I hate to say it Indiana will be back sometime in the next three years or so. Crean can recruit and a lot of players seem to be in on the rebuilding/restoring IU idea.

 

As I told my roommates last year the Big Ten is ridiculous right now with its coaches especially recruiting wise. Tubby, Painter, Matta, Crean, Weber, Beilein, Izzo and Ryan are considered great recruiters and winning coaches.

[Sosa21MVP]

I like your coach a lot as well, but even he would tell you that you need good players to win. Those are generally the guys that have the stars next to their names when they are being recruited.

 

i just don't see iowa being relevant in any big ten discussion. if it happens, i'll be extremely surprised. there are just other teams that have more going for themselves.

I really think that it will be OSU and Illinois going for it in a few years. They are both going to be loaded. But, I also think that Purdue, Wisky, MSU, and even Minnesota will be pretty goodd again.s exciting to have the big ten getting good again.

 

i think purdue is there to stay, i think msu is going nowhere, osu gets every single good player on earth, wisco will continue to contend with whomever they bring in and they're fairly loaded with incoming players, and minnesota is absolutely on their way back up in terms of recruiting. there just isn't any room for iowa at the table, although it would be good for the big ten.

 

As much as I hate to say it Indiana will be back sometime in the next three years or so. Crean can recruit and a lot of players seem to be in on the rebuilding/restoring IU idea.

 

As I told my roommates last year the Big Ten is ridiculous right now with its coaches especially recruiting wise. Tubby, Painter, Matta, Crean, Weber, Beilein, Izzo and Ryan are considered great recruiters and winning coaches.

 

Crean has assembled a Top 10 class for 2009 thus far. I expect us to be a factor next season.

[Guest]

Being down 14 in the 2nd half to UC Davis isn't what I was hoping for tonight, but that's what happens when you are 8% from 3 and 25% from the line 3/4 of the way through the game. Nice to pull out the win in the end, but very few players on the offense appear to be capable of creating a shot. Could be a long season in the Big 12 if no improvements are made. Davis has some really good guards though. Harden and Oliver put up a ton against a usually solid ISU defense, and either Harden or Payne had a ridiculous one-handed put back dunk in the 1st half. I wouldn't be shocked to see them competing for the Big West in the near future.

 

What happened with UCD's collapse - was it something we did wrong or did Iowa State start playing a lot better?

 

I left for the DHS football game with UCD down two late in the first half but our photographer told me about what happened when he came to the game. So disappointing.

 

As far as competition in the Big West, they should be in the mix this year and could, if they reach their potential, be right there for a chance at the conference title.

[SouthSideRyan]

I like your coach a lot as well, but even he would tell you that you need good players to win. Those are generally the guys that have the stars next to their names when they are being recruited.

 

i just don't see iowa being relevant in any big ten discussion. if it happens, i'll be extremely surprised. there are just other teams that have more going for themselves.

I really think that it will be OSU and Illinois going for it in a few years. They are both going to be loaded. But, I also think that Purdue, Wisky, MSU, and even Minnesota will be pretty goodd again.s exciting to have the big ten getting good again.

 

i think purdue is there to stay, i think msu is going nowhere, osu gets every single good player on earth, wisco will continue to contend with whomever they bring in and they're fairly loaded with incoming players, and minnesota is absolutely on their way back up in terms of recruiting. there just isn't any room for iowa at the table, although it would be good for the big ten.

 

As much as I hate to say it Indiana will be back sometime in the next three years or so. Crean can recruit and a lot of players seem to be in on the rebuilding/restoring IU idea.

 

As I told my roommates last year the Big Ten is ridiculous right now with its coaches especially recruiting wise. Tubby, Painter, Matta, Crean, Weber, Beilein, Izzo and Ryan are considered great recruiters and winning coaches.

 

Crean has assembled a Top 10 class for 2009 thus far. I expect us to be a factor next season.

 

I think you're aiming a bit too high/too soon to expect your '09 class to turn a last place team into a contender. IU should be shooting for a tourney bid next year, that's about it. And there's certainly no shame in that considering where you're coming from.

[CubbieBum]

I like your coach a lot as well, but even he would tell you that you need good players to win. Those are generally the guys that have the stars next to their names when they are being recruited.

 

i just don't see iowa being relevant in any big ten discussion. if it happens, i'll be extremely surprised. there are just other teams that have more going for themselves.

I really think that it will be OSU and Illinois going for it in a few years. They are both going to be loaded. But, I also think that Purdue, Wisky, MSU, and even Minnesota will be pretty goodd again.s exciting to have the big ten getting good again.

 

i think purdue is there to stay, i think msu is going nowhere, osu gets every single good player on earth, wisco will continue to contend with whomever they bring in and they're fairly loaded with incoming players, and minnesota is absolutely on their way back up in terms of recruiting. there just isn't any room for iowa at the table, although it would be good for the big ten.

 

As much as I hate to say it Indiana will be back sometime in the next three years or so. Crean can recruit and a lot of players seem to be in on the rebuilding/restoring IU idea.

 

As I told my roommates last year the Big Ten is ridiculous right now with its coaches especially recruiting wise. Tubby, Painter, Matta, Crean, Weber, Beilein, Izzo and Ryan are considered great recruiters and winning coaches.

 

Crean has assembled a Top 10 class for 2009 thus far. I expect us to be a factor next season.

 

I think you're aiming a bit too high/too soon to expect your '09 class to turn a last place team into a contender. IU should be shooting for a tourney bid next year, that's about it. And there's certainly no shame in that considering where you're coming from.

 

That's how I see it. Normally a top 10 recruiting class makes you good enough to contend in its sophomore year but IU doesn't have the upper classman that goes with. A top 10 class added with a few good older players makes a good team. With just the recruiting class it won't be until year three IMO that you will be able to contend. By then that class is old enough to lead and few good players from the next two classes puts you in the upper part of the conference. As I see it IU is a bottom dweller this year, a lower mid team next year, and then who knows.

[CubbieBum]

SO I just read the Purdue game recap. It makes no mention that Moore was benched for any reason other than "emergence" of freshman guard Lewis Jackson. I find that incredibly hard to believe since Moore played a lot and led the team in scoring. I'm guessing Moore did something and the team just doesn't want it getting out.

 

On a side not Purdue set the team record for fewest turnovers in a game with three. I realize it was a crappy team but to do that in a season opener is ridiculous.

[Mark_R]

It seems like my boy Marcus Green has been at Purdue forever...

[Magnetic Curses]

Who isn't in on Harrison Barnes? :)

touche, I meant to say. Have you guys made any progress on Barnes? Is UCLA recruiting him Raisin?

 

Yeah, definitely. He and Josh Smith are the big pie in the sky targets for UCLA in 2010.

 

i love the fact that our 2010 is done and we have 3 top 30 players already. that's got to be the best recruiting class in illini history--although i think barnes is better than richmond.

He is right now. Richmond looks more like a kid still though, not that it means a lot. As for the class it has to be our best. Our other good ones were littered with guys who were very underrated. Gill wasn't highly thought of at all and Deron Williams was what in the 50's?

 

Have you seen Meyers play?

 

only videos, but i plan on getting down to see them all play this season.

[Derwood]

penn state beat william & mary by 14 points tonight. final four here we come.

 

don't get cocky....they have the New Jersey Institute of Technology on Monday night

[Magnetic Curses]

I like your coach a lot as well, but even he would tell you that you need good players to win. Those are generally the guys that have the stars next to their names when they are being recruited.

 

i just don't see iowa being relevant in any big ten discussion. if it happens, i'll be extremely surprised. there are just other teams that have more going for themselves.

I really think that it will be OSU and Illinois going for it in a few years. They are both going to be loaded. But, I also think that Purdue, Wisky, MSU, and even Minnesota will be pretty goodd again.s exciting to have the big ten getting good again.

 

i think purdue is there to stay, i think msu is going nowhere, osu gets every single good player on earth, wisco will continue to contend with whomever they bring in and they're fairly loaded with incoming players, and minnesota is absolutely on their way back up in terms of recruiting. there just isn't any room for iowa at the table, although it would be good for the big ten.

 

As much as I hate to say it Indiana will be back sometime in the next three years or so. Crean can recruit and a lot of players seem to be in on the rebuilding/restoring IU idea.

 

As I told my roommates last year the Big Ten is ridiculous right now with its coaches especially recruiting wise. Tubby, Painter, Matta, Crean, Weber, Beilein, Izzo and Ryan are considered great recruiters and winning coaches.

 

Crean has assembled a Top 10 class for 2009 thus far. I expect us to be a factor next season.

 

i forgot to mention iu, i think you're getting a little ahead of yourselves, but you'll definitely be there within a few years. crean will have them competing. they have a great class coming in, but they aren't the fab 5.

[Exile on Waveland]

I like your coach a lot as well, but even he would tell you that you need good players to win. Those are generally the guys that have the stars next to their names when they are being recruited.

 

i just don't see iowa being relevant in any big ten discussion. if it happens, i'll be extremely surprised. there are just other teams that have more going for themselves.

I really think that it will be OSU and Illinois going for it in a few years. They are both going to be loaded. But, I also think that Purdue, Wisky, MSU, and even Minnesota will be pretty goodd again.s exciting to have the big ten getting good again.

 

i think purdue is there to stay, i think msu is going nowhere, osu gets every single good player on earth, wisco will continue to contend with whomever they bring in and they're fairly loaded with incoming players, and minnesota is absolutely on their way back up in terms of recruiting. there just isn't any room for iowa at the table, although it would be good for the big ten.

 

As much as I hate to say it Indiana will be back sometime in the next three years or so. Crean can recruit and a lot of players seem to be in on the rebuilding/restoring IU idea.

 

As I told my roommates last year the Big Ten is ridiculous right now with its coaches especially recruiting wise. Tubby, Painter, Matta, Crean, Weber, Beilein, Izzo and Ryan are considered great recruiters and winning coaches.

 

Crean has assembled a Top 10 class for 2009 thus far. I expect us to be a factor next season.

 

I think you're aiming a bit too high/too soon to expect your '09 class to turn a last place team into a contender. IU should be shooting for a tourney bid next year, that's about it. And there's certainly no shame in that considering where you're coming from.

 

I can't imagine IU competing for the Big Ten next year. I do think there is a good chance they end up in the tournament though.

[Sosa21MVP]

Well when I say "contender" I'm definitely not saying that I expect a Final Four appearance or even a Big Ten title but I think they will be "in the mix".

[soapy]

i'm hoping for a top half of the big ten finish and possibly an NCAA tourney bid for the Hoosiers next year. i think that would be a huge success.

 

season officially kicks off tonight. it's going to be an ugly season, but i'm still looking forward to watching them play to see what Crean does with the "players" he has.

[ISUCubsFan]

Being down 14 in the 2nd half to UC Davis isn't what I was hoping for tonight, but that's what happens when you are 8% from 3 and 25% from the line 3/4 of the way through the game. Nice to pull out the win in the end, but very few players on the offense appear to be capable of creating a shot. Could be a long season in the Big 12 if no improvements are made. Davis has some really good guards though. Harden and Oliver put up a ton against a usually solid ISU defense, and either Harden or Payne had a ridiculous one-handed put back dunk in the 1st half. I wouldn't be shocked to see them competing for the Big West in the near future.

 

What happened with UCD's collapse - was it something we did wrong or did Iowa State start playing a lot better?

 

I left for the DHS football game with UCD down two late in the first half but our photographer told me about what happened when he came to the game. So disappointing.

 

As far as competition in the Big West, they should be in the mix this year and could, if they reach their potential, be right there for a chance at the conference title.

 

Mostly it was Iowa State starting to hit shots. They're not a good shooting team, but no one is bad enough to consistently put up the numbers they did for the first 28 minutes. Davis missing the front end of a 1-and-1 with a one point lead and under a minute to play helped.

 

Good luck against UW-Milwaukee tonight and Loyola Marymount tomorrow. LMU should be easy, but Milwaukee looks tough.

[Exile on Waveland]

i'm hoping for a top half of the big ten finish and possibly an NCAA tourney bid for the Hoosiers next year. i think that would be a huge success.

 

season officially kicks off tonight. it's going to be an ugly season, but i'm still looking forward to watching them play to see what Crean does with the "players" he has.

 

Those are my goals for next season as well. At this point, I think they'll reach them; but my mind my change drastically depending on the level of improvement this season (and potential defections).

 

I'm actually quite excited for this season. It's going to be really ugly at times, but I'm expecting them to play hard and improve. I'll be there tonight, wonder how many others will be?

[SouthSideRyan]

I think IU fans are being a bit overzealous thinking they'll be back in the tournament next year. The recruiting class for this year was mediocre and only registerred in rankings because of the size. Next year's is pretty good, but it'll fall in rankings when the late signings come in.

 

You have to think about how far up you're going to have to climb in the '09-'10 season. That and by '09-'10 it's going to be a much better big ten than this season with Purdue, MSU, Wisconsin, OSU, Minnesota, and Illinois all pretty safe bets to finish better. The only teams I'd feel comfortable betting on IU finishing ahead of are NU and PSU(I'm lending some credence to the Iowa people's system idea here)I think an NIT bid is a more realistic goal with eyes on the tourney in '11.

[CubColtPacer]

I think IU fans are being a bit overzealous thinking they'll be back in the tournament next year. The recruiting class for this year was mediocre and only registerred in rankings because of the size. Next year's is pretty good, but it'll fall in rankings when the late signings come in.

 

You have to think about how far up you're going to have to climb in the '09-'10 season. That and by '09-'10 it's going to be a much better big ten than this season with Purdue, MSU, Wisconsin, OSU, Minnesota, and Illinois all pretty safe bets to finish better. The only teams I'd feel comfortable betting on IU finishing ahead of are NU and PSU(I'm lending some credence to the Iowa people's system idea here)I think an NIT bid is a more realistic goal with eyes on the tourney in '11.

 

I certainly hope that isn't true. If it is, IU will have to get better with experience alone. Because they currently only have 1 total scholarship for 2 years from now, and 1 scholarship available 3 years from now. That's after next year where they've already oversigned by 1. The team they put on the floor next year is pretty much the team they will display for 3 years in a row.

 

They'll have all the pieces next year. The question will be if they can grow up fast enough and if all the pieces will fit together next year. But their guards and forwards should both be strengths of next year's team. If the players are as advertised, they should be a tournament team (barring some bad preconference losses before they start to gel, which is certainly probable). But at the same time, with this many question marks, it's hard to tell how many of those players will not be nearly as good as they should be.

[HenryBlanco]

http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2008/11/14/23/x_KSUhoop_1115_11-15-2008_2I16BUHP.standalone.prod_affiliate.80.jpg Its hard to see in this picture but K-state might have some of the ugliest uniforms i have ever seen.

[soapy]

I think IU fans are being a bit overzealous thinking they'll be back in the tournament next year. The recruiting class for this year was mediocre and only registerred in rankings because of the size. Next year's is pretty good, but it'll fall in rankings when the late signings come in.

 

You have to think about how far up you're going to have to climb in the '09-'10 season. That and by '09-'10 it's going to be a much better big ten than this season with Purdue, MSU, Wisconsin, OSU, Minnesota, and Illinois all pretty safe bets to finish better. The only teams I'd feel comfortable betting on IU finishing ahead of are NU and PSU(I'm lending some credence to the Iowa people's system idea here)I think an NIT bid is a more realistic goal with eyes on the tourney in '11.

 

i think that's fair, but as i said top half of the big ten and making the ncaa tourney are what i'm hoping for. i certainly don't think it's a given and almost everything will have to go well for them to get there.

[CubInOK]

http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2008/11/14/23/x_KSUhoop_1115_11-15-2008_2I16BUHP.standalone.prod_affiliate.80.jpg Its hard to see in this picture but K-state might have some of the ugliest uniforms i have ever seen.

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/0bda1609-95c5-4a43-9d1a-f46f5d7a2220.jpg

[Ding Dong Johnson]

oh dear god

[Butterscup1679666578]

http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2008/11/14/23/x_KSUhoop_1115_11-15-2008_2I16BUHP.standalone.prod_affiliate.80.jpg Its hard to see in this picture but K-state might have some of the ugliest uniforms i have ever seen.

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/0bda1609-95c5-4a43-9d1a-f46f5d7a2220.jpg

 

wait...what the hell is that.

[imb]

http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2008/11/14/23/x_KSUhoop_1115_11-15-2008_2I16BUHP.standalone.prod_affiliate.80.jpg Its hard to see in this picture but K-state might have some of the ugliest uniforms i have ever seen.

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/0bda1609-95c5-4a43-9d1a-f46f5d7a2220.jpg

 

wait...what the hell is that.

 

yeah, they make oregon football look classy and understated

 

i cant believe those things are allowed on the court, they look like the mishmash ish a small high school makes its JV team wear