Re: College Basketball 2008-2009

[CubbieBum]

Come now, can we all just agree that the college basketball world is a better place now? Why must we fight over this?

 

Have we actually proven that Sulley will exist if he can't speak out against those speaking ill of the Illini? I like to think of it as a public service.

 

well, since that's pretty much everyone on this board, my existence is ensured for a very long time.

 

and btw, the overlooked fouls over the last 4 minutes of that game were just payback for 2001. they are still calling fouls on arch in that one.

 

I sending ill thoughts your way about the Illini ... whatchew gonna do about it?

Probably beat you again at least once this year. So before you go thinking that Purdue was just amazing last year and that they are a lock to win the big ten. Remember they lost to us last year and we were about as bad as you could be and still be considered a D1 team.

 

You weren't that bad last year....You guys way underperformed and should have been in the middle of the big ten...Either us or Michigan State are a lock to win the Big Ten this year the rest of the teams are weak...

Watching us every game, it sure felt like we were horrible. More than bad luck it was more an ability to find ways to lose. Either shooting 50% from the free throw line or playing Chester Frazier around 34 minutes a game, we were bad.

 

Oh and I still think Wisky wins the conference. I know they shouldn't, but they always overacheive.

 

yeah, but that was there team with Brian Butch and Joe Krabbenhoft. They lost two of there three big guys. Butch was a force in the Big Ten. I just don't think Flowers and Landry will carry them to a title. They'll be good, but that's going to be tough with Purdue and Mich St being in there way

They also weren't going to be as good without Devin Harris. Then without Mike Wilkinson, then they lost Alando Tucker. They just reload. If you want to beat them for the conference title you better be damn good. Like top 10 good. You may do it, but it won't be easy.

 

You got a good point, but I feel like last year we were just young and inexperienced and they were a bunch of veteran guys who like you said reload and get it done, but this year will be a year older and more big game tested that's all I'm saying.

 

Wisconsin will likely be right in the mix again. I haven't said anything is a lock for anyone. There is a reason the games are played and injuries happen. All I've said is it is highly unlikely Purdue gets third because not only do they have the most returning they beat Wisconsin both times last year and would have beaten MSU both times if Hummel didn't get a sudden sickness.

[Exile on Waveland]

Wisconsin has Bo Ryan.

[snoodmonger]

Out of curiosity, when does the fact Bo's teams implode in the tourney start haunting his rep like it did with Olsen, Dean Smith, Roy Williams, Self, Boeheim, etc?

[illiniguy]

Out of curiosity, when does the fact Bo's teams implode in the tourney start haunting his rep like it did with Olsen, Dean Smith, Roy Williams, Self, Boeheim, etc?

It should, but look at the names of his guys on paper vs. who he usually loses too. He almost beat UNC the year they won it all and believe me that his team on paper shouldn't be in the same gym as that UNC team. This year he definately lost to a team he should have beaten, but hell they almost beat you guys. I guess those other guys get blamed more because they recruit better. That said, all the guys you listed won the big one and thus I don't think can be questioned at all now.

[snoodmonger]

that's the thing with Ryan to me. Great system coach. And he really hides the shortcomings of his recruiting. And due to his familiarity w/ the Big 10, he can routinely beat teams that are much better than his. But in the touney, with less time to gameplan and lots of talented teams that play diverse styles, I think he faces an uphill battle.

[illiniguy]

that's the thing with Ryan to me. Great system coach. And he really hides the shortcomings of his recruiting. And due to his familiarity w/ the Big 10, he can routinely beat teams that are much better than his. But in the touney, with less time to gameplan and lots of talented teams that play diverse styles, I think he faces an uphill battle.

That could be, although he does recruit better than people think. The big ten hasn't really had too many great teams lately. I would say since he has been in the conference the only great teams were the '05 Illini and '05 MSU. We beat him three times that year and I think MSU split with him. So even then he went 1-4 against teams with a lot better talent than him.

[Andy]

We should stop talking about these JV conferences and talk about the biggest and best conference in America.

 

Harangody and K-Mac both on the all-Big East preseason first team. Luke - with Sam Young of Pitt - was one of the only unanimous choices and was picked to repeat as Big East Player of the Year. ND is projected by the coaches to finish fourth, which sounds about right since I can't believe we're going to manage to run the table at home for a third straight year. Even though this will/should be the best ND's been in my lifetime, the odds are stacked against it, especially with Georgetown, UConn, Marquette and Louisville coming to the Joyce this year. ND faces possibly the most difficult league schedule in the conference, with two of their three two-fers coming against UConn and Louisville.

 

2008-09 BIG EAST Preseason Coaches' Poll

 

1. Connecticut (9)

2. Louisville (3)

3. Pittsburgh (3)

4. Notre Dame (1)

5. Villanova

6. Marquette

7. Georgetown

8. Syracuse

9. West Virginia

10. Providence

11. Cincinnati

12. Rutgers

13. Seton Hall

14. St. John's

15. DePaul

16. USF

[Derwood]

woo hoo! not in last!

[illiniguy]

We should stop talking about these JV conferences and talk about the biggest and best conference in America.

 

Harangody and K-Mac both on the all-Big East preseason first team. Luke - with Sam Young of Pitt - was one of the only unanimous choices and was picked to repeat as Big East Player of the Year. ND is projected by the coaches to finish fourth, which sounds about right since I can't believe we're going to manage to run the table at home for a third straight year. Even though this will/should be the best ND's been in my lifetime, the odds are stacked against it, especially with Georgetown, UConn, Marquette and Louisville coming to the Joyce this year. ND faces possibly the most difficult league schedule in the conference, with two of their three two-fers coming against UConn and Louisville.

 

2008-09 BIG EAST Preseason Coaches' Poll

 

1. Connecticut (9)

2. Louisville (3)

3. Pittsburgh (3)

4. Notre Dame (1)

5. Villanova

6. Marquette

7. Georgetown

8. Syracuse

9. West Virginia

10. Providence

11. Cincinnati

12. Rutgers

13. Seton Hall

14. St. John's

15. DePaul

16. USF

You have had better teams, it's just America wasn't as bad. Thus it makes you feel like this team is better, imo.

[Andy]

You have had better teams, it's just America wasn't as bad. Thus it makes you feel like this team is better, imo.

Maybe, although ND really hasn't been very good the last 20 or so years until recently. Last year's team was probably the best one I've followed, and other than that only the 2003 team (which if you ask me overachieved a bit, as well as caught a ridiculous seeding break to get a 5/4 game in Indy vs your Illini, to reach the Sweet 16) was really eye-catching. This team is coming off a 14-4 Big East season and returns everybody but Rob Kurz. They should be pretty darn good.

 

Nonleague road games at Loyola Marymount and UCLA as well as Maui should help their OOC schedule a little this year too. The last couple of years have been a joke in that regard.

[chuckywang]

Out of curiosity, when does the fact Bo's teams implode in the tourney start haunting his rep like it did with Olsen, Dean Smith, Roy Williams, Self, Boeheim, etc?

It should, but look at the names of his guys on paper vs. who he usually loses too. He almost beat UNC the year they won it all and believe me that his team on paper shouldn't be in the same gym as that UNC team. This year he definately lost to a team he should have beaten, but hell they almost beat you guys. I guess those other guys get blamed more because they recruit better. That said, all the guys you listed won the big one and thus I don't think can be questioned at all now.

 

Did you see that game? Davidson was definitely a better team than Wisconsin. It wasn't even close.

[hawkeyecub]

that's the thing with Ryan to me. Great system coach. And he really hides the shortcomings of his recruiting. And due to his familiarity w/ the Big 10, he can routinely beat teams that are much better than his. But in the touney, with less time to gameplan and lots of talented teams that play diverse styles, I think he faces an uphill battle.

 

The recruiting shortcomings are a bit overblown. '03 he brought in a 5-star. '04 a 4-star, '05 another 5 star, '06 he had two 4-star's and another top 150, '07 was two more 4-star's and '08 he had another 4 star and a top 150. He has two top 150's for '09 and two 4-star's for '10.

 

So over 8 years that's 2 5*'s, 8 4*'s and 4 between 100-150. He's not bringing a top 5 class every year but he almost always lands at least one stud and surrounds them with other guys who have multiple Big Ten offers and fit his system well. He's the best coach in the league but he isn't winning with a bunch of nobodies like some think.

[CubbieBum]

that's the thing with Ryan to me. Great system coach. And he really hides the shortcomings of his recruiting. And due to his familiarity w/ the Big 10, he can routinely beat teams that are much better than his. But in the touney, with less time to gameplan and lots of talented teams that play diverse styles, I think he faces an uphill battle.

That could be, although he does recruit better than people think. The big ten hasn't really had too many great teams lately. I would say since he has been in the conference the only great teams were the '05 Illini and '05 MSU. We beat him three times that year and I think MSU split with him. So even then he went 1-4 against teams with a lot better talent than him.

 

please tell me you just forgot about the '07 Ohio State team

[CubbieBum]

We should stop talking about these JV conferences and talk about the biggest and best conference in America.

 

Harangody and K-Mac both on the all-Big East preseason first team. Luke - with Sam Young of Pitt - was one of the only unanimous choices and was picked to repeat as Big East Player of the Year. ND is projected by the coaches to finish fourth, which sounds about right since I can't believe we're going to manage to run the table at home for a third straight year. Even though this will/should be the best ND's been in my lifetime, the odds are stacked against it, especially with Georgetown, UConn, Marquette and Louisville coming to the Joyce this year. ND faces possibly the most difficult league schedule in the conference, with two of their three two-fers coming against UConn and Louisville.

 

2008-09 BIG EAST Preseason Coaches' Poll

 

1. Connecticut (9)

2. Louisville (3)

3. Pittsburgh (3)

4. Notre Dame (1)

5. Villanova

6. Marquette

7. Georgetown

8. Syracuse

9. West Virginia

10. Providence

11. Cincinnati

12. Rutgers

13. Seton Hall

14. St. John's

15. DePaul

16. USF

 

Was wondering when you would show up and as I told you last year no one who refuses to join a conference fully should be allowed to brag about said conference. If this is how ND fans would be in every sport then I am glad ND stays out of a conference in football.

[mul21]

that's the thing with Ryan to me. Great system coach. And he really hides the shortcomings of his recruiting. And due to his familiarity w/ the Big 10, he can routinely beat teams that are much better than his. But in the touney, with less time to gameplan and lots of talented teams that play diverse styles, I think he faces an uphill battle.

That could be, although he does recruit better than people think. The big ten hasn't really had too many great teams lately. I would say since he has been in the conference the only great teams were the '05 Illini and '05 MSU. We beat him three times that year and I think MSU split with him. So even then he went 1-4 against teams with a lot better talent than him.

 

please tell me you just forgot about the '07 Ohio State team

 

That team wasn't even close to great during the Big 10 season. They had a bunch of young guys and got hot at the end of the year with a bunch of individual talent. Kind of like Michigan with the Fab Five, not a great team during the season but turned it on at the right time.

[Guest]

We should stop talking about these JV conferences and talk about the biggest and best conference in America.

 

Harangody and K-Mac both on the all-Big East preseason first team. Luke - with Sam Young of Pitt - was one of the only unanimous choices and was picked to repeat as Big East Player of the Year. ND is projected by the coaches to finish fourth, which sounds about right since I can't believe we're going to manage to run the table at home for a third straight year. Even though this will/should be the best ND's been in my lifetime, the odds are stacked against it, especially with Georgetown, UConn, Marquette and Louisville coming to the Joyce this year. ND faces possibly the most difficult league schedule in the conference, with two of their three two-fers coming against UConn and Louisville.

 

2008-09 BIG EAST Preseason Coaches' Poll

 

1. Connecticut (9)

2. Louisville (3)

3. Pittsburgh (3)

4. Notre Dame (1)

5. Villanova

6. Marquette

7. Georgetown

8. Syracuse

9. West Virginia

10. Providence

11. Cincinnati

12. Rutgers

13. Seton Hall

14. St. John's

15. DePaul

16. USF

 

Was wondering when you would show up and as I told you last year no one who refuses to join a conference fully should be allowed to brag about said conference. If this is how ND fans would be in every sport then I am glad ND stays out of a conference in football.

 

This doesn't make any sense. So because Notre Dame isn't in the Big East in football means a Notre Dame fan can't brag about the Big East in basketball? That's a pretty stupid opinion.

[CubbieBum]

We should stop talking about these JV conferences and talk about the biggest and best conference in America.

 

Harangody and K-Mac both on the all-Big East preseason first team. Luke - with Sam Young of Pitt - was one of the only unanimous choices and was picked to repeat as Big East Player of the Year. ND is projected by the coaches to finish fourth, which sounds about right since I can't believe we're going to manage to run the table at home for a third straight year. Even though this will/should be the best ND's been in my lifetime, the odds are stacked against it, especially with Georgetown, UConn, Marquette and Louisville coming to the Joyce this year. ND faces possibly the most difficult league schedule in the conference, with two of their three two-fers coming against UConn and Louisville.

 

2008-09 BIG EAST Preseason Coaches' Poll

 

1. Connecticut (9)

2. Louisville (3)

3. Pittsburgh (3)

4. Notre Dame (1)

5. Villanova

6. Marquette

7. Georgetown

8. Syracuse

9. West Virginia

10. Providence

11. Cincinnati

12. Rutgers

13. Seton Hall

14. St. John's

15. DePaul

16. USF

 

Was wondering when you would show up and as I told you last year no one who refuses to join a conference fully should be allowed to brag about said conference. If this is how ND fans would be in every sport then I am glad ND stays out of a conference in football.

 

This doesn't make any sense. So because Notre Dame isn't in the Big East in football means a Notre Dame fan can't brag about the Big East in basketball? That's a pretty stupid opinion.

 

I'm bitter because I think its ridiculous for teams to be allowed to join a conference in one sport but not the others (except for the sports that don't have enough teams in the normal conference and have to create a different one). That and I had to hear his crap all last year.

[CubbieBum]

that's the thing with Ryan to me. Great system coach. And he really hides the shortcomings of his recruiting. And due to his familiarity w/ the Big 10, he can routinely beat teams that are much better than his. But in the touney, with less time to gameplan and lots of talented teams that play diverse styles, I think he faces an uphill battle.

That could be, although he does recruit better than people think. The big ten hasn't really had too many great teams lately. I would say since he has been in the conference the only great teams were the '05 Illini and '05 MSU. We beat him three times that year and I think MSU split with him. So even then he went 1-4 against teams with a lot better talent than him.

 

please tell me you just forgot about the '07 Ohio State team

 

That team wasn't even close to great during the Big 10 season. They had a bunch of young guys and got hot at the end of the year with a bunch of individual talent. Kind of like Michigan with the Fab Five, not a great team during the season but turned it on at the right time.

 

Let me get this straight you don't think a team that lost only three regular season games was great during the regular season. Do you know what the three losses were? They were at UNC, at Florida and at Wisconsin. They also won their conference games by an average of 10.3 points. They won the regular season and tournament title and lost to a back-to-back national champion team.

 

Michigan State in 2005 lost 3 conference games and 7 overall they aren't even close to Ohio State in 2007. Illinois 2005 is the best and its not even close. They only lost two games all year (including NCG) and beat conference opponents by an average of 15 points.

[imb]

espn classic is playing the arizona/ku game from 95 (i think)

 

my best back then was from flagstaff so i sort of picked up UofA love from him. Miles Simon, Mike Bibby, Mike Dickerson, they had it all. I forgot how much I loved that team.

[Andy]

We should stop talking about these JV conferences and talk about the biggest and best conference in America.

 

Harangody and K-Mac both on the all-Big East preseason first team. Luke - with Sam Young of Pitt - was one of the only unanimous choices and was picked to repeat as Big East Player of the Year. ND is projected by the coaches to finish fourth, which sounds about right since I can't believe we're going to manage to run the table at home for a third straight year. Even though this will/should be the best ND's been in my lifetime, the odds are stacked against it, especially with Georgetown, UConn, Marquette and Louisville coming to the Joyce this year. ND faces possibly the most difficult league schedule in the conference, with two of their three two-fers coming against UConn and Louisville.

 

2008-09 BIG EAST Preseason Coaches' Poll

 

1. Connecticut (9)

2. Louisville (3)

3. Pittsburgh (3)

4. Notre Dame (1)

5. Villanova

6. Marquette

7. Georgetown

8. Syracuse

9. West Virginia

10. Providence

11. Cincinnati

12. Rutgers

13. Seton Hall

14. St. John's

15. DePaul

16. USF

 

Was wondering when you would show up and as I told you last year no one who refuses to join a conference fully should be allowed to brag about said conference. If this is how ND fans would be in every sport then I am glad ND stays out of a conference in football.

 

This doesn't make any sense. So because Notre Dame isn't in the Big East in football means a Notre Dame fan can't brag about the Big East in basketball? That's a pretty stupid opinion.

 

I'm bitter because I think its ridiculous for teams to be allowed to join a conference in one sport but not the others (except for the sports that don't have enough teams in the normal conference and have to create a different one). That and I had to hear his crap all last year.

Actually, it is the complete opposite - ND is in the Big East in every single other sport besides football (except hockey, in which there is no Big East).

[illiniguy]

that's the thing with Ryan to me. Great system coach. And he really hides the shortcomings of his recruiting. And due to his familiarity w/ the Big 10, he can routinely beat teams that are much better than his. But in the touney, with less time to gameplan and lots of talented teams that play diverse styles, I think he faces an uphill battle.

That could be, although he does recruit better than people think. The big ten hasn't really had too many great teams lately. I would say since he has been in the conference the only great teams were the '05 Illini and '05 MSU. We beat him three times that year and I think MSU split with him. So even then he went 1-4 against teams with a lot better talent than him.

 

please tell me you just forgot about the '07 Ohio State team

gulty as charged. How did Bo do against them?

[snoodmonger]

espn classic is playing the arizona/ku game from 95 (i think)

 

my best back then was from flagstaff so i sort of picked up UofA love from him. Miles Simon, Mike Bibby, Mike Dickerson, they had it all. I forgot how much I loved that team.

 

i hope they all die in a plane crash.

[imb]

espn classic is playing the arizona/ku game from 95 (i think)

 

my best back then was from flagstaff so i sort of picked up UofA love from him. Miles Simon, Mike Bibby, Mike Dickerson, they had it all. I forgot how much I loved that team.

 

i hope they all die in a plane crash.

 

i didn't even think of this angle. beautiful.

[snoodmonger]

espn classic is playing the arizona/ku game from 95 (i think)

 

my best back then was from flagstaff so i sort of picked up UofA love from him. Miles Simon, Mike Bibby, Mike Dickerson, they had it all. I forgot how much I loved that team.

 

i hope they all die in a plane crash.

 

i didn't even think of this angle. beautiful.

 

I hope youre on the plane too.

[illiniguy]

espn classic is playing the arizona/ku game from 95 (i think)

 

my best back then was from flagstaff so i sort of picked up UofA love from him. Miles Simon, Mike Bibby, Mike Dickerson, they had it all. I forgot how much I loved that team.

 

i hope they all die in a plane crash.

 

i didn't even think of this angle. beautiful.

 

I hope youre on the plane too.

This is awesome. Go on.