Eric Patterson called up

[Jehrico]

Well it is clear now why they called up Patterson since he is in LF today and leading off. I really wish this team wasn't so obsessed with this leadoff hitter nonsense. I was hoping that they would stick Hoffpauir in the lineup to give Lou the lefty power bat to protect Aramis so Fukudome could finally hit leadoff.

Either that, or I wouldn't have minded seeing Theriot lead off and Fuku hit second. EPatt is not a good choice to lead off for us, I don't expect him to post an OBP over .300 while he's up here, if that.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Well it is clear now why they called up Patterson since he is in LF today and leading off. I really wish this team wasn't so obsessed with this leadoff hitter nonsense. I was hoping that they would stick Hoffpauir in the lineup to give Lou the lefty power bat to protect Aramis so Fukudome could finally hit leadoff.

Either that, or I wouldn't have minded seeing Theriot lead off and Fuku hit second. EPatt is not a good choice to lead off for us, I don't expect him to post an OBP over .300 while he's up here, if that.

 

What leads you to that conclusion?

[TruffleShuffle]

patterson's PECOTA projection: 270/.340/.441

 

i know these aren't gospel, but we really haven't seen him play at the big league level. maybe he will be worse than that, but saying he's "light hitting" and he "sucks" is pretty dumb.

[YearofDaCubs]

Am I the only one who thinks Patterson was more deserving of the callup than Murton was?

[YearofDaCubs]

http://iowa.cubs.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=451&stn=true&sid=t451

[Vanilla Ice]

http://iowa.cubs.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=451&stn=true&sid=t451

i think Patterson is a pretty good choice too.

 

However, the use of BA in AAA is useless because Murton has 50 points of OBP on Patterson.

 

Patterson does have the higher slugging percentage and higher OPS, but AVG was a bad stat to use

[YearofDaCubs]

http://iowa.cubs.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=451&stn=true&sid=t451

i think Patterson is a pretty good choice too.

 

However, the use of BA in AAA is useless because Murton has 50 points of OBP on Patterson.

 

Patterson does have the higher slugging percentage and higher OPS, but AVG was a bad stat to use

I wasn't pointing out the AVG it was merely the first option chosen when opening the stats page. Murton only 1 HR? That's pathetic. That tells me the guy is still hitting a lot of grounders.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I don't have a problem with this move. Patterson is really doing well @ AAA.

 

As always count on the Matt Murton Butt Loving Crew to throw a fit....

[Banedon]

I don't have a problem with this move. Patterson is really doing well @ AAA.

 

As always count on the Matt Murton Butt Loving Crew to throw a fit....

 

That's enough of that.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't have a problem with this move. Patterson is really doing well @ AAA.

 

As always count on the Matt Murton Butt Loving Crew to throw a fit....

 

The Cubs just lost their starting LF and Murton is the most logical man to replace him. But yeah, let's make gay jokes instead.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I don't have a problem with this move. Patterson is really doing well @ AAA.

 

As always count on the Matt Murton Butt Loving Crew to throw a fit....

 

The Cubs just lost their starting LF and Murton is the most logical man to replace him. .

Statistics may suggest otherwise.

[Banedon]

I don't have a problem with this move. Patterson is really doing well @ AAA.

 

As always count on the Matt Murton Butt Loving Crew to throw a fit....

 

The Cubs just lost their starting LF and Murton is the most logical man to replace him. .

Statistics may suggest otherwise.

 

Do the statistics say how offten that Patterson has played the position he's being asked to play?

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

No because that is meaningless. Will Patterson be leeps and bounds worse than Murton in LF? Not likely.

[jersey cubs fan]

No because that is meaningless. Will Patterson be leeps and bounds worse than Murton in LF? Not likely.

 

Yes, position on the field is meaningless, what matters is his leadoff ability.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

No that doesn't matter either. What matters is offensive production provided to the lineup, and it Patterson is having a superior season stat wise vs Murton.

[jersey cubs fan]

No that doesn't matter either. What matters is offensive production provided to the lineup, and it Patterson is having a superior season stat wise vs Murton.

 

Not by much, and Murton has the superior track record.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

This call up could have gone either way to be honest(patterson vs murton)..but good god I have no idea why people are flipping out about this. This isn't Koyie Hill over Soto or anything like that.

[Jehrico]

I don't have a problem with this move. Patterson is really doing well @ AAA.

 

As always count on the Matt Murton Butt Loving Crew to throw a fit....

 

The Cubs just lost their starting LF and Murton is the most logical man to replace him. .

Statistics may suggest otherwise.

Not necessarily. Patterson's high OBP is driven by his BA, and I'm doubtful that he'll be able to maintain a BA at the major league level much over .250. Murton on the other hand, his OBP is driven more on walks, so his stats are less likely to drop drastically upon his call up.

[cubweiser03]

Id have prefered Murton. Im more inclinded to believe Matt has a better chance(he already has done it) to duplicate his AAA numbers this year to MLB. His ISOD better and his BB/K ratio is much better than erics. Its not a horrible choice but i believe there was one better.

[sneakypower]

Not necessarily. Patterson's high OBP is driven by his BA, and I'm doubtful that he'll be able to maintain a BA at the major league level much over .250. Murton on the other hand, his OBP is driven more on walks, so his stats are less likely to drop drastically upon his call up.

the only pitchers in the majors who are going to be walking a guy who couldn't slug .400 in AAA are crappy pitchers we'll crush anyways.

 

I would pretty much demand a trade at this point if I were Murton

i'm sure there's teams out there who are dying for the services of a defensive liability in LF who can't hit for extra bases.

[Amazing_Grace]

I can only think of one good reason to bring up Patterson rather than Murton and it's this. If the Cubs are dead set that they're not moving Fukudome to CF, then it makes sense to play someone that can move to CF when Soriano returns. I doubt Patterson is going to hit well enough to win that job, but it's something that the organization may be thinking about. If he put up a line something like .275/.340/.450, then the Cubs could slide him over to CF and go hard after another starter and possibly a lefty reliever. It would seem the same logic would apply to Pie, but for whatever reason, the organization seems to think he doesn't fit in with the team this year.

[Illini Iceman]

I can only think of one good reason to bring up Patterson rather than Murton and it's this. If the Cubs are dead set that they're not moving Fukudome to CF, then it makes sense to play someone that can move to CF when Soriano returns. I doubt Patterson is going to hit well enough to win that job, but it's something that the organization may be thinking about. If he put up a line something like .275/.340/.450, then the Cubs could slide him over to CF and go hard after another starter and possibly a lefty reliever. It would seem the same logic would apply to Pie, but for whatever reason, the organization seems to think he doesn't fit in with the team this year.

 

Whether you agree with the decision making or not, the Cubs aren't making much of a mystery about why they brought up Patterson. Lou has been talking for a while about how he would like them to have more lefties in the lineup. Patterson accomplishes this because he can play him in LF and DH Hoffpauir in the interleague road games giving the Cubs 3 LH hitters in the lineup. Secondly, both Lou and Hendry talk a lot about having a prototypical lead off hitter so with Soriano out they are taking advantage to put that type of player at the top of the lineup. With the success Theriot is having batting second I am sure Lou doesn't want to mess with him too much.

 

Maybe at some point Fukudome is tried at leadoff but I think first Lou needs to be convinced that Hoffpauir or Edmonds can slide into the 5th hold and produce on par with what Fukudome is giving them in that spot currently.

[Mad Ducks]

Maybe Murton is just simply not as good as everyone wishes....It's not like the signed Jay Gibbons instead of bringing Matt up. Patterson deserved a shot.

[mdwilla]

If there aren't going to use Pie/Murton in the outfield at this point I would have signed Lofton rather than go with Patterson.

[SouthSideRyan]

I personally love the selective reasoning used by people who hate on Murton. These same people are the ones cackling to themselves about the stat nerds wanting Jason Dubois, lol get your head out of the spreadsheet, AAAA player. Then Eric Patterson comes up instead of Murton, and it's okay because Murton has 1 HR in AAA.(nevermind his track record in the majors)

 

Just admit that you don't think Murton or Rich Hill look/act like ballplayers and that's why you hate them. It'll make for much more honest discussion than making up reasons.