This Gallagher Kid

[sneakypower]

Amazing that folks still have to find crap to talk about. What was really good is that the "wind was blowing out" and they stayed in the park!!!!!! Sean has always had his "haters" as we have found out from articles from BA and other pubs but to be honest what really matters is what happens when given the chance.........

 

Keep on sticking your head in the sand, there.

wow that was kind of uncalled for

 

probably should stick to soccer talk

Edited May 18, 2008 by sneakypower

[TruffleShuffle]

i'd like to think there's a difference between a hater and a skeptic. and i'm not so much skeptical of sean's ability to perform well in the long run, i just am not sure that his command is strong enough to be a solid starter at this point in his career. i hope it is obviously. i'd certainly rather watch him than marquis.

[Laura]

I think he's closer than you think, Truffle. He said in a few interviews after the game that his marching orders were to work quickly, throw strikes, and let the D do its thing. That's pretty much what happened.

 

The reality is, though, that if you're a pitcher with options, one bad outing -- heck, one bad inning -- can get you bounced back to the minors. Marshall pitched well last night (though I don't know if he had "too many warning track flyouts"). I wouldn't be surprised if Lou figures that the 5th starter position is someone's to keep until they have a bad outing.

[UK1679666180]

Congrats to Sean! Edited May 18, 2008 by UK

[VanceJergins]

 

Keep on sticking your head in the sand, there.

 

 

Can you say a more idiotic statement than that?

 

The kid goes from a poss. 3rd rd. selection to being selected in the teens. 1st, he gets questioned because of a low ceiling b/c of his FB sitting 88-90 and a below avg. change, still pitches well at Peoria.

 

Heads to Daytona in '06 & does very well there and spends the 2nd half at AA as a 20yo (which is very young for AA), his FB which was criticized before not sits 90-94 to go along with curve and has improved his change-up, now projects as a #3 starter, but questions still remain about his conditioning.

 

Heads back to AA in '07, does well in 11 starts and heads to AAA as a 21yo, does even better at AAA in 8 starts and gets called up as a back of the bullpen pitcher a role he is unfamiliar with and like most pitchers takes his lumps, has improved his FB and change-up to go along with his already established curve. Some concern remains about his weight but has started working out at the beg. of the off-season.

 

Onto to '08, comes into ST in great shape, doesn't earn a starting spot or a role in the pen & goes to Iowa. Does well for a month, gets a call-up and proceeds to throw 4IP from April 28th to May 11th and then a gets a start on a day he isn't scheduled for nor has likely prepared for and pitches ok, doesn't show great control, but keeps the Cubs in the game and Fox has a chance to minimize damage but fails to do so. His next start is vs. Pitt. and pitches well against a decent offensive team in hitter friendly conditions to pick up his 1st major league win, something he's been dreaming of his entire life.

 

Yet, you have the nerve to tell his father "to get his head out of the sand".

 

:clapping:

[USSoccer]

Amazing that folks still have to find crap to talk about. What was really good is that the "wind was blowing out" and they stayed in the park!!!!!! Sean has always had his "haters" as we have found out from articles from BA and other pubs but to be honest what really matters is what happens when given the chance.........

 

Keep on sticking your head in the sand, there.

wow that was kind of uncalled for

 

probably should stick to soccer talk

 

Thanks for the advice. Maybe you should stick to "not making any rational or thoughtful points". That seems to be your forte.

 

Yet, you have the nerve to tell his father "to get his head out of the sand".

 

First of all, I have no idea who his dad is or what his posting name is. I mean no disrespect to a family member. However, to completely write off the peripherals surrounding his performance and dismiss any skeptic as "being a hater" is just as shortsighted as whatever it is you think I was implying.

 

Gallagher is a nice back end rotation option to have, but he wasn't dominant. He hasn't been dominant yet, and I'm not going to change my opinion of his ceiling based on him getting lucky with hard hit balls in play over the course of 2 starts.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Who's expecting immediate dominance out of Gallagher? I think most people are hoping for "better than Marquis", which isn't out of reach.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Gallagher is a nice back end rotation option to have, but he wasn't dominant. He hasn't been dominant yet, and I'm not going to change my opinion of his ceiling based on him getting lucky with hard hit balls in play over the course of 2 starts.

 

This.

 

Congratulations to Sean and his father. Gallagher has made it to the very top end of a very steep bell curve that is professional baseball players. It only gets harder from here.

 

Gallagher's peripherals and performance projections put him as a marginal major-leaguer at this point in his career. To be a marginal major-leaguer at his age is a great accomplishment and bodes well for his future, to be sure, but I'm still going to call a spade a spade.

 

He had one bad start and one good start. There were extenuating circumstances around the bad start and his good start was heavily influenced by hard-hit balls right at fielders. Nothing happened that would change my projection of him to be in Lieber/Marquis territory for this season (maybe a bit better than Marquis, a bit worse than Lieber, but pretty close to both).

[USSoccer]

Who's expecting immediate dominance out of Gallagher? I think most people are hoping for "better than Marquis", which isn't out of reach.

 

I think people are overreacting to his 2 starts. They haven't been as good as some of the things I've read on here. Not to say he's been bad, but I think a more tempered reaction would be in order.

 

Maybe he makes a few more starts, his arm gets accustomed to the workload and he stays consistent. I'd be ecstatic and the first to admit my skepticism was incorrect. Anyone who pays attention around here knows I'm not overly stubborn. There is also a chance he gets knocked around and some of the line drives he's given up fall in. I think wariness is prudent.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Who's expecting immediate dominance out of Gallagher? I think most people are hoping for "better than Marquis", which isn't out of reach.

 

I think people are overreacting to his 2 starts. They haven't been as good as some of the things I've read on here. Not to say he's been bad, but I think a more tempered reaction would be in order.

 

Maybe he makes a few more starts, his arm gets accustomed to the workload and he stays consistent. I'd be ecstatic and the first to admit my skepticism was incorrect. Anyone who pays attention around here knows I'm not overly stubborn. There is also a chance he gets knocked around and some of the line drives he's given up fall in. I think wariness is prudent.

 

Irrational Exuberance might be a good catchphrase here.

[UK1679666180]

Congrats to Sean! Edited May 18, 2008 by UK

[CubinNY]

Who's expecting immediate dominance out of Gallagher? I think most people are hoping for "better than Marquis", which isn't out of reach.

 

I think people are overreacting to his 2 starts. They haven't been as good as some of the things I've read on here. Not to say he's been bad, but I think a more tempered reaction would be in order.

 

Maybe he makes a few more starts, his arm gets accustomed to the workload and he stays consistent. I'd be ecstatic and the first to admit my skepticism was incorrect. Anyone who pays attention around here knows I'm not overly stubborn. There is also a chance he gets knocked around and some of the line drives he's given up fall in. I think wariness is prudent.

 

Irrational Exuberance might be a good catchphrase here.

Who is being irrationaly exuberant? Here's my take: His parents are excited he gets his first win and people congratualte them and him.

 

Why not let it be what it is?

 

He's 22 years old and has worked extremely hard to get to where he is. He'll likely have more downs than ups if he stays in the rotation this year. But this way definately a time for celebration, especially for people with an emotional investment.

 

Why come down on them and those who congratualted them?

 

(Seperate issue: I'd take him over Marquis any day.)

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Being Gallagher's father doesn't magically protect him from discussion, especially when he starts the dismissive namecalling.

 

It's great that Gallagher's father gives us some inside insight here and there, but are we doomed to never have a serious thread about the kid again?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Why not let it be what it is?

 

We're trying to. But we keep getting shouted down by the "Four runs in 4.1 innings is a good start!" crowd.

 

 

He's 22 years old

 

That's good for his future with the Cubs, irrelevant to his present with the Cubs.

 

and has worked extremely hard to get to where he is.

 

Couldn't care less about this part though. Lots of players work hard, I care about whether they are good or not.

 

He'll likely have more downs than ups if he stays in the rotation this year. But this way definately a time for celebration, especially for people with an emotional investment. Why come down on them and those who congratualted them?

 

Is this the buddy-up with the kids' family thread, or the discuss him as a pitcher for the Chicago Cubs thread? If it's the first one, can I be directed to the second?

[USSoccer]

First of all, I have no idea who his dad is or what his posting name is. I mean no disrespect to a family member. However, to completely write off the peripherals surrounding his performance and dismiss any skeptic as "being a hater" is just as shortsighted as whatever it is you think I was implying.

 

Gallagher is a nice back end rotation option to have, but he wasn't dominant. He hasn't been dominant yet, and I'm not going to change my opinion of his ceiling based on him getting lucky with hard hit balls in play over the course of 2 starts.

 

You told him to get his head out of the sand about his son? Yeah, there's no disrespect there.

 

He's a 22yo. rookie, he doesn't have to be dominant! I don't know what you expect from kids making their 2nd career start, obviously if you have the audacity to tell someone's father that, it goes well beyond any reasonable expectation.

 

Ping, what part of "I have no idea who his father is" didn't you get? I'm not a complete arse. I'm not going to purposefully insult someone's family over my detatched opinion of his son's ceiling. I definetly owe the man an apology, and he'll get it. You can focus on this part of it all you want, but it doesn't address the main point.

 

I thought he should've used his curve more ahead in the count and he has to do better with getting the 1st man out, but it's correctable and something to comes along with experience.

 

I don't want to shift the subject from Gallagher's 1st win and hopefully the chance to stay in the rotation and help his team win.

 

Like all productive early outings, this is something to build upon and to gain confidence from.

 

We disagree on the manner of how productive it was. Did he put the team in a position to win? Yes. Was he giving up really hard hit balls in both starts that found the fielders? Also, yes.

 

I'll repeat: Gallagher is a nick back-end option to have. I'd certainly take him over Marquis given their respective salaries. He's an good bet to outproduce Marquis, but I'm not going to trip over myself getting psyched over like 11 innings of work. He could struggle mightily has more of a "book" is made on him. He could stay consistently decent. What exactly is wrong with having a tempered expectation of someone who's certainly not a high ceiling guy?

[CubinNY]

Why not let it be what it is?

 

We're trying to. But we keep getting shouted down by the "Four runs in 4.1 innings is a good start!" crowd.

 

 

He's 22 years old

 

That's good for his future with the Cubs, irrelevant to his present with the Cubs.

 

and has worked extremely hard to get to where he is.

 

Couldn't care less about this part though. Lots of players work hard, I care about whether they are good or not.

 

He'll likely have more downs than ups if he stays in the rotation this year. But this way definately a time for celebration, especially for people with an emotional investment. Why come down on them and those who congratualted them?

 

Is this the buddy-up with the kids' family thread, or the discuss him as a pitcher for the Chicago Cubs thread? If it's the first one, can I be directed to the second?

Please, spare me with your objectional distance. They way I see it is that you are tyring, and tyring very hard I might add to be a dick. and you are succeeding extremely well at it. I'd say you've achieved your goal.

 

The kid gets his first win and his parents come here to celebrate. People congratulate them. Yet somehow you make this out to be some sort of love festival where criticism won't be tolerated.

[UK1679666180]

edited Edited May 18, 2008 by UK

[Transmogrified Tiger]

This includes his relief work, but this year he's given up a 14.3 LD% with a .302 BABIP against, hardly indicative of him leading a charmed life. In fact, by those numbers he's been unlucky.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The kid gets his first win and his parents come here to celebrate. People congratulate them. Yet somehow you make this out to be some sort of love festival where criticism won't be tolerated.

 

That's not what I saw.

 

What I saw was a guy get jumped all over because he tried to have a normal baseball discussion and didn't know that he was talking to the father. And despite several attempts at apologies, people are still bashing him for it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

There's a time and place for everything (assuming it's rational).

 

But if it's a congrats thread about his 1st ML win likely geared and wanted to be seen by his father who has obviously helped his reach his dream and you're trying diminish that or disputing some of the applause towards Sean, you're acting like a know-it-all pompous jerk.

 

That's not what this thread started as, and I didn't get the memo that it had been changed. My bad.

[USSoccer]

This includes his relief work, but this year he's given up a 14.3 LD% with a .302 BABIP against, hardly indicative of him leading a charmed life. In fact, by those numbers he's been unlucky.

 

The problem is that there's not enough sample size for Gallagher as a starter to properly evaluate, which was kind of my point.

[Abe Frohman]

I mean no disrespect to a family member....

 

I'm not a complete arse. I'm not going to purposefully insult someone's family over my detatched opinion of his son's ceiling. I definetly owe the man an apology, and he'll get it.

 

So USSoccer didn't know that the poster was SG's father and he explained that he was going to apologize. Case closed, and well handled USSoccer. I'm sure that you appreciate his excitement in his son's first ML win, and how we are glad he is here to share with the forum.

[UK1679666180]

edited Edited May 18, 2008 by UK

[sneakypower]

Thanks for the advice. Maybe you should stick to "not making any rational or thoughtful points". That seems to be your forte.

i don't believe you've ever engaged me in any type of arguments or ever expressed disagreement with any points i've made.

 

actually, i don't believe i've ever noticed you engage in any baseball related discussion on here other than flaming or trolling.

 

if you're of the opinion that no points i make are rational, by all means point out the flaws in my logic that you perceive. otherwise, a blanket statement like this just comes across as an pointless generality with little basis.

[USSoccer]

There's a time and place for everything (assuming it's rational).

 

But if it's a congrats thread about his 1st ML win likely geared and wanted to be seen by his father who has obviously helped his reach his dream and you're trying diminish that or disputing some of the applause towards Sean, you're acting like a know-it-all pompous jerk.

 

This was not a very clearly intended thread if it was simply meant to congratulate. The first post was:

 

Might be ok...wish we would have thought of it earlier...too bad we were all gung ho about sticking with the proven vetran Marquis

 

And there are numerous postings on page one discussing the baseball aspect of his performances so far. It it had been so clearly a "Great Job" thread (which is certainly appropriate and understandable), I wouldn't have said anything related to his ceiling/performance/whatever, because it wouldn't have been the appropriate forum.