Rosenthal: Rockies may decide to trade Holliday

[RammyFanny]

I know alot of people here think Coors really inflates his stats, but:

Matt Holliday led the Colorado Rockies to their first World Series last season, finishing second in the National League MVP balloting.

 

But Holliday, an All-Star left fielder, might not be in Colorado much longer if the Rockies do not revive soon.

 

The Rockies, 10 games back in the NL West, almost certainly would consider trading Holliday, knowing they stand little chance of keeping him long-term.

 

Holliday, 28, could be this year's Mark Teixeira — a Scott Boras client traded with a year-plus remaining on his contract by a team seeking value for a franchise-type player.

 

The Rockies signed Holliday to a two-year, $23 million deal in January, but could lose him as a free agent after the 2009 season and receive only draft picks in return.

 

After overcoming an 18-27 start last season, the Rockies will not give up on their season easily, not when they are 15-25 with essentially the same team.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8143654?MSNHPHMA

[Rusch33]

I would give up Pie and Hill in a heartbeat for this guy.

[TruffleShuffle]

again, corner outfielder = don't have a place for him to play

[rocket]

again, corner outfielder = don't have a place for him to play

 

tell fukudome sorry for breaking our promise and put him in centerfield.

[erik316wttn]

again, corner outfielder = don't have a place for him to play

 

tell fukudome sorry for breaking our promise and put him in centerfield.

 

Or, Soriano could still cover enough ground in CF to not be a liability.

[Banedon]

again, corner outfielder = don't have a place for him to play

 

tell fukudome sorry for breaking our promise and put him in centerfield.

 

Or, Soriano could still cover enough ground in CF to not be a liability.

 

He tweaked his leg hopping in LF. I don't need to see him diving for balls in CF.

[wrigley23]

i hate to break it to you but Holliday is better than soriano.

[CubColtPacer]

i hate to break it to you but Holliday is better than soriano.

 

I don't know who you're breaking it to, but I think just about everyone on this site would agree with you on that.

 

It still doesn't mean there's really a place for Holliday though. Both Soriano and Fukudome are locked up into long-term contracts, and convincing Fukudome to move to CF permanently would be the only real way to find space for Holliday.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm not sure why Coors is that big of a factor. It's been trending down toward normal hitters' park levels for a few years now, it's no longer the outlier that it used to be.

[anabiono]

i am waiting for the inevitable soriano back to 2nd post

[anabiono]

i bet you the red sox make a strong run after him...

 

but you know who would be awesome to see get mr. matt?

 

the rays

 

talk about a nasty NASTY outfield

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm not sure why Coors is that big of a factor. It's been trending down toward normal hitters' park levels for a few years now, it's no longer the outlier that it used to be.

 

park factor was 109 last season... it may be relatively close to fenway but it's probably still the best hitter's park in baseball. it is to hitting what petco is to pitching, putting it another way.

[davearm2]

again, corner outfielder = don't have a place for him to play

 

tell fukudome sorry for breaking our promise and put him in centerfield.

 

Or, Soriano could still cover enough ground in CF to not be a liability.

 

He tweaked his leg hopping in LF. I don't need to see him diving for balls in CF.

I never understood the notion that playing CF represented a larger injury risk than playing LF or RF.

 

All three positions are called upon to sprint/dive/crash into walls chasing after balls.

 

All three positions have large areas to either side of them that they're responsible for covering. A CF only does more running laterally if it's the case that more balls are hit into the gaps than are hit into the corners. I wouldn't guess that's true, although maybe it is.

 

About the only thing you can say about CF is there's more space between you and the wall behind you to cover. This ought to increase the sprinting component, but might actually reduce the crashing into walls component.

[Sammy Sofa]

again, corner outfielder = don't have a place for him to play

 

tell fukudome sorry for breaking our promise and put him in centerfield.

 

Or, Soriano could still cover enough ground in CF to not be a liability.

 

He tweaked his leg hopping in LF. I don't need to see him diving for balls in CF.

 

He tweaked his leg. It happen to be with a hop, but it's not like an injury like that one wasn't going to happen if he didn't hop. It just happened to be at that moment.

 

Like it's been pointed out, it's not like the difference between CF and LF is a vast one.

 

And hell, to get Holliday onto the team, I'd even consider moving Soriano back to 2nd for a season or two. Gonzo idea, sure, but man, that lineup is delicious.

[anabiono]

again, corner outfielder = don't have a place for him to play

 

tell fukudome sorry for breaking our promise and put him in centerfield.

 

Or, Soriano could still cover enough ground in CF to not be a liability.

 

He tweaked his leg hopping in LF. I don't need to see him diving for balls in CF.

 

He tweaked his leg. It happen to be with a hop, but it's not like an injury like that one wasn't going to happen if he didn't hop. It just happened to be at that moment.

 

Like it's been pointed out, it's not like the difference between CF and LF is a vast one.

 

And hell, to get Holliday onto the team, I'd even consider moving Soriano back to 2nd for a season or two. Gonzo idea, sure, but man, that lineup is delicious.

 

winner

[davearm2]

Do we think the Cubs even have room in the budget to add another $13M player next year, in addition to all of the other raises that are already due? That's a big chunk of cash.

 

I'd guess at a bare minimum, it means Dempster, Eyre, and Howry cannot be re-upped. And perhaps Wood too.

 

And you figure at least a few of the logical cheap replacements for the above will be headed to COL in the deal.

Edited May 16, 2008 by davearm2

[Sammy Sofa]

Do we think the Cubs even have room in the budget to add another $13M player next year, in addition to all of the other raises that are already due? That's a big chunk of cash.

 

I'd guess at a bare minimum, it means Dempster, Eyre, and Howry cannot be re-upped. And perhaps Wood too.

 

Based on what?

[Clem Fandango]

i am waiting for the inevitable soriano back to 2nd post

 

I completely forgot he used to play 2nd, that's how accustomed I've gotten to seeing him in LF. If we traded for Holiday, I would have no qualms about moving Soriano back to 2nd. Defense be damned, that lineup would rake

[davearm2]

Do we think the Cubs even have room in the budget to add another $13M player next year, in addition to all of the other raises that are already due? That's a big chunk of cash.

 

I'd guess at a bare minimum, it means Dempster, Eyre, and Howry cannot be re-upped. And perhaps Wood too.

 

Based on what?

Based on trying to scrape together $13M to give to Holliday.

[Sammy Sofa]

Do we think the Cubs even have room in the budget to add another $13M player next year, in addition to all of the other raises that are already due? That's a big chunk of cash.

 

I'd guess at a bare minimum, it means Dempster, Eyre, and Howry cannot be re-upped. And perhaps Wood too.

 

Based on what?

Based on trying to scrape together $13M to give to Holliday.

 

No, what are you basing the idea of a cap that tight on the Cubs' spending?

 

I hear lots of hypotheticals based on the sale, but nothing that really says that they cannot spend any mony or what their limits are at any given moment based on the circumstances. If trading for Holliday (which won't ever happen) was going down while the Cubs were still in first and have a serious chance of going to to the big show, the money would be magically "found." The Cub aren't going to become less profitable by winning more.

[Sammy Sofa]

And hell, to get Holliday onto the team, I'd even consider moving Soriano back to 2nd for a season or two. Gonzo idea, sure, but man, that lineup is delicious.

 

winner

 

Yeah, it's nuts, but for that lineup, you live with it. Soriano is going to suck the last few years of his contract no matter what.

[SouthSideRyan]

i hate to break it to you but Holliday is better than soriano.

 

But can he lead off?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm not sure why Coors is that big of a factor. It's been trending down toward normal hitters' park levels for a few years now, it's no longer the outlier that it used to be.

 

park factor was 109 last season... it may be relatively close to fenway but it's probably still the best hitter's park in baseball. it is to hitting what petco is to pitching, putting it another way.

 

Agreed. So give Holliday a strong but normal park adjustment. It's not like it used to be where you couldn't get a clue on how to evaluate players coming from it. From 94-2001 it was averaging a 125, which is how it got its reputation.

[cbbryan]

Colorado MAY trade Holliday.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I MAY wax my boat tomorrow. I have to buy a boat first, but if I had a boat I MAY want to wax it. I suppose I wouldn't have to wax it, or even need to............

 

I MAY just watch the Cubs game instead. And I MAY order pizza.

 

 

You get the point. I can't see where the Rockies would trade Holliday. I'd be very surprised to see that move. Unless it was a blockbuster where Colorado just got too much for him.

[Flames24Rulz]

Move Fukudome to CF.

 

That wasn't so difficult, now was it?