Brewers to lock up Braun through 2015

[ELCABALLO45]

Im extremely happy with this. Im glad they got it done, and I love that our owner is spending money. Prince won't be a Brewer past 2009 most likley. And LaPorta will take over at 1st.

[shnsajax]

Im extremely happy with this. Im glad they got it done, and I love that our owner is spending money. Prince won't be a Brewer past 2009 most likley. And LaPorta will take over at 1st.

 

I was fixing to say the same thing. They should move him IMO.

[RedFlash]

You know what they say.........All Braun and no brains..

[Brett]

So, let's see. Speculating that he would have gotten about $2 mill total compensation this and next year (although the Brewers have never been too generous with their auto-renew players), and then $6, $8, and $10 mill for his arb years, he basically gave up his first two years of free agency for $10 mill per. I think the Brewers just got a steal.

[CubColtPacer]

So, let's see. Speculating that he would have gotten about $2 mill total compensation this and next year (although the Brewers have never been too generous with their auto-renew players), and then $6, $8, and $10 mill for his arb years, he basically gave up his first two years of free agency for $10 mill per. I think the Brewers just got a steal.

 

The Brewers are saving 10-15 million on this deal....if he doesn't get hurt. While he was under team control, if he was hurt or started tanking, they could have gotten out from him and not have to paid nearly as much. That option has now disappeared. Now, they're saving 10-15 million if he's pretty good, and losing 20-35 million if he's not for some reason or another.

 

It's still probably a pretty good deal, because Braun isn't that high of a risk. But it's certainly IMO not a steal.

[erik316wttn]

Who the hell is Brauns agent anyway? 45 mil for 8 years? Thats just over 8 mil a year. While Id kill for that, there are guys with a fraction of Brauns potential making 10-12 mil.

 

I agree. He got ripped off. If he'd have waited for FA, he easily could have gotten $100 million over the 8 years.

[brinoch]

Gamel and LaPorta have officially been relegated to the "trade bait" bin.

 

I'm not sure about that. Fielder's not going to stay with the Brewers. I'd look for them to move him before Gamel or LaPorta. One of them (or Braun) could easily move to 1B.

[cubbyvirus00]

They outta trade Prince to the AL for some pitching...that way he can DH...while they get in return studly pitching prospects

[CubColtPacer]

Who the hell is Brauns agent anyway? 45 mil for 8 years? Thats just over 8 mil a year. While Id kill for that, there are guys with a fraction of Brauns potential making 10-12 mil.

 

I agree. He got ripped off. If he'd have waited for FA, he easily could have gotten $100 million over the 8 years.

 

It has to be remembered that 3 of these 8 years are years in which the Brewers can pay him the minimum salary in baseball if they so desire (which goes up slightly with every year of experience). Then you have 3 more years in which open bidding can not drive your contract up, and your money is somewhat limited by a certain scale based on your performance.

 

If Braun doesn't sign this deal, there's no way that he makes 100 million over the next 7+ years. He might have made 70-75 if he was really good, but that's kind of doubtful.

[erik316wttn]

Gamel and LaPorta have officially been relegated to the "trade bait" bin.

 

I'm not sure about that. Fielder's not going to stay with the Brewers. I'd look for them to move him before Gamel or LaPorta. One of them (or Braun) could easily move to 1B.

 

If the Brewers are out of it by the trade deadline, they should trade Fielder for young pitching. LaPorta's going to be here soon enough.

[erik316wttn]

Who the hell is Brauns agent anyway? 45 mil for 8 years? Thats just over 8 mil a year. While Id kill for that, there are guys with a fraction of Brauns potential making 10-12 mil.

 

I agree. He got ripped off. If he'd have waited for FA, he easily could have gotten $100 million over the 8 years.

 

It has to be remembered that 3 of these 8 years are years in which the Brewers can pay him the minimum salary in baseball if they so desire (which goes up slightly with every year of experience). Then you have 3 more years in which open bidding can not drive your contract up, and your money is somewhat limited by a certain scale based on your performance.

 

If Braun doesn't sign this deal, there's no way that he makes 100 million over the next 7+ years. He might have made 70-75 if he was really good, but that's kind of doubtful.

 

This is still a stunningly good deal for the Brewers. They have one of the best young sluggers in the game locked up for a pittance for a very long time.

[SouthSideRyan]

Who the hell is Brauns agent anyway? 45 mil for 8 years? Thats just over 8 mil a year. While Id kill for that, there are guys with a fraction of Brauns potential making 10-12 mil.

 

I agree. He got ripped off. If he'd have waited for FA, he easily could have gotten $100 million over the 8 years.

 

It has to be remembered that 3 of these 8 years are years in which the Brewers can pay him the minimum salary in baseball if they so desire (which goes up slightly with every year of experience). Then you have 3 more years in which open bidding can not drive your contract up, and your money is somewhat limited by a certain scale based on your performance.

 

If Braun doesn't sign this deal, there's no way that he makes 100 million over the next 7+ years. He might have made 70-75 if he was really good, but that's kind of doubtful.

 

He'll also be 32 when the contract ends and ready to sign his 100 million dollar deal then.

[CubColtPacer]

Who the hell is Brauns agent anyway? 45 mil for 8 years? Thats just over 8 mil a year. While Id kill for that, there are guys with a fraction of Brauns potential making 10-12 mil.

 

I agree. He got ripped off. If he'd have waited for FA, he easily could have gotten $100 million over the 8 years.

 

It has to be remembered that 3 of these 8 years are years in which the Brewers can pay him the minimum salary in baseball if they so desire (which goes up slightly with every year of experience). Then you have 3 more years in which open bidding can not drive your contract up, and your money is somewhat limited by a certain scale based on your performance.

 

If Braun doesn't sign this deal, there's no way that he makes 100 million over the next 7+ years. He might have made 70-75 if he was really good, but that's kind of doubtful.

 

He'll also be 32 when the contract ends and ready to sign his 100 million dollar deal then.

 

Yup. This contract is perfect for Braun. He'll probably still be hitting pretty well when he becomes a free agent, signs a huge deal with somebody, and then they watch as he slowly declines on their dime (yes, I know, we have one of those). Having free agency before 32 is probably better for him than before 30 just because it will be easier for him to sign a deal that will pay him big money until he's close to 40.

[Menace II Sobriety]

Brewer fan here, but not a Cubs hater just a rationalist. Braun has his issues in LF as did Soriano. To me it is a simple assessment (kind of like caveman games for NES) Braun hit good, Braun run good, Braun good.

 

You could debate the pros and cons of this signing but I think they are all pros for a small market team considering the payroll is going to 100M within 2 years it really won't effect any signings in the near future with Gagne and Suppan (no-trade gone) coming off the books along with Sheets (because he probably won't resign) that is 40% off of our 80M payroll today and 30% of the future payroll. There is plenty of money available in fact today Attanasio stated that they are looking to take on a #1 for the push this year. Money is not a factor, not the same ole' cellar dwellars.

 

I know that most appreciate this as a good signing for the crew and that is appreciated the same way you cannot negate the value of DLee, Aram, Big Z, or even Soto but as an unbiased outsider who's contract would you rather have in LF Soriano or Braun. To me it is that simple of an equation nothing else they have both played other positions and been relegated to LF and both play better LF than Carlos Lee.

[CubColtPacer]

Brewer fan here, but not a Cubs hater just a rationalist. Braun has his issues in LF as did Soriano. To me it is a simple assessment (kind of like caveman games for NES) Braun hit good, Braun run good, Braun good.

 

You could debate the pros and cons of this signing but I think they are all pros for a small market team considering the payroll is going to 100M within 2 years it really won't effect any signings in the near future with Gagne and Suppan (no-trade gone) coming off the books along with Sheets (because he probably won't resign) that is 40% off of our 80M payroll today and 30% of the future payroll. There is plenty of money available in fact today Attanasio stated that they are looking to take on a #1 for the push this year. Money is not a factor, not the same ole' cellar dwellars.

 

I know that most appreciate this as a good signing for the crew and that is appreciated the same way you cannot negate the value of DLee, Aram, Big Z, or even Soto but as an unbiased outsider who's contract would you rather have in LF Soriano or Braun. To me it is that simple of an equation nothing else they have both played other positions and been relegated to LF and both play better LF than Carlos Lee.

 

 

I don't think anybody's questioning if the Brewers should keep Braun or not. He's a very good player, and yes, I definitely wish I had his service time and that contract in LF over Soriano.

 

This contract is just not necessarily a move that the Brewers needed to make quite yet though. They could have let Braun play for 500K this year, and given themselves a little bit more info on his potential career path, if it's going to be good, very good, or great.

 

It's not like Braun leaves the Brewers tomorrow though if he didn't sign that contract. He wasn't going to hit free agency for 6 years.

[TruffleShuffle]

Brewer fan here, but not a Cubs hater just a rationalist. Braun has his issues in LF as did Soriano. To me it is a simple assessment (kind of like caveman games for NES) Braun hit good, Braun run good, Braun good.

 

You could debate the pros and cons of this signing but I think they are all pros for a small market team considering the payroll is going to 100M within 2 years it really won't effect any signings in the near future with Gagne and Suppan (no-trade gone) coming off the books along with Sheets (because he probably won't resign) that is 40% off of our 80M payroll today and 30% of the future payroll. There is plenty of money available in fact today Attanasio stated that they are looking to take on a #1 for the push this year. Money is not a factor, not the same ole' cellar dwellars.

 

I know that most appreciate this as a good signing for the crew and that is appreciated the same way you cannot negate the value of DLee, Aram, Big Z, or even Soto but as an unbiased outsider who's contract would you rather have in LF Soriano or Braun. To me it is that simple of an equation nothing else they have both played other positions and been relegated to LF and both play better LF than Carlos Lee.

 

welcome to the board

[chopsx9]

This is basically a gamble by both sides. You will only be able to say whether its good or bad with hindsight. If Braun gets beaned tomorrow and never takes the field again it will be a brilliant move on his part. If he hits 50 hrs a year for the life of the contract; brilliant move by the Brewers. It's going to be somewhere in between, but I think Braun still makes out because we are still talking pretty substantial money. It's one thing to possibly leave millions on the table while still getting millions (the situation he is in now) and leaving millions on the table and ending up with nothing.

 

So I think the Brewers are taking on more risk.

How many would have given this contract (or more) to Prior after his first full year?

or Rocco Baldelli or Eric Chavez or Jorge Cantu or heck Rick Wilkins, Jerome Walton, Dwight Smith or dozens other. (obviously all are not quite in the same league)

[SouthSideRyan]

This is basically a gamble by both sides. You will only be able to say whether its good or bad with hindsight. If Braun gets beaned tomorrow and never takes the field again it will be a brilliant move on his part. If he hits 50 hrs a year for the life of the contract; brilliant move by the Brewers. It's going to be somewhere in between, but I think Braun still makes out because we are still talking pretty substantial money. It's one thing to possibly leave millions on the table while still getting millions (the situation he is in now) and leaving millions on the table and ending up with nothing.

 

So I think the Brewers are taking on more risk.

How many would have given this contract (or more) to Prior after his first full year?

or Rocco Baldelli or Eric Chavez or Jorge Cantu or heck Rick Wilkins, Jerome Walton, Dwight Smith or dozens other. (obviously all are not quite in the same league)

 

Chavez, Prior, and maybe Baldelli are the only ones that are really remotely comparable. Signing Chavez would've been the right move(The A's may have, I can't remember.) Prior's a pitcher, so he's a different story. Baldelli turned out to be fragile, cest la vie.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

PECOTA's most comparable players:

 

1 Tony Conigliaro 1992 40 11 Jack Clark 2003 33

2 Alex Rodriguez 1979 36 12 Bob Horner 1971 33

3 Del Ennis 1981 36 13 Travis Fryman 1982 33

4 Eric Chavez 1970 36 14 Dan Ford 1960 33

5 Frank Robinson 1973 35 15 Jim Rice 2007 32

6 Andre Dawson 1992 35 16 Willie Horton 1975 32

7 Ellis Valentine 1975 34 17 David Wright 1969 32

8 Johnny Bench 1975 34 18 Dave Winfield 2000 31

9 Nate Colbert 1957 34 19 Cal Ripken 1979 30

10 Harold Baines 1998 33 20 Dave Kingman 2005 30

 

(note, there is a known issue with the baseball prospectus site that lists the years wrong for all of these players)

 

If I'm the Brewers, I feel pretty good about those comps.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If Braun gets beaned tomorrow and never takes the field again it will be a brilliant move on his part.

 

That's kinda funny considering his best PECOTA comp.

[SouthSideRyan]

Menace, you mentioned the Brewers payroll coming off the books, I wasn't sure if you were talking about how that affects the Braun contract, or if you were talking a potential Fielder contract. I fully agree that the Braun contract won't be any sort of problem for the Brewers long-term, even if he does get Conigliaroed. If you were talking with regards to Fielder, my problem with it is that you are taking away Sheets and Suppan from an already fragile rotation. I believe both Gallardo and Parra are the real deal, but that's a lot of fragility at the front of the rotation, and not much for depth behind them. I have a hard time seeing them dealing Suppan, they need him in there to eat innings and to know that he'll be out there every day.

[nilodnayr]

Menace, you mentioned the Brewers payroll coming off the books, I wasn't sure if you were talking about how that affects the Braun contract, or if you were talking a potential Fielder contract. I fully agree that the Braun contract won't be any sort of problem for the Brewers long-term, even if he does get Conigliaroed. If you were talking with regards to Fielder, my problem with it is that you are taking away Sheets and Suppan from an already fragile rotation. I believe both Gallardo and Parra are the real deal, but that's a lot of fragility at the front of the rotation, and not much for depth behind them. I have a hard time seeing them dealing Suppan, they need him in there to eat innings and to know that he'll be out there every day.

 

If they are going to sign and keep Fielder, then LaPorta and/or Gamel are going to be traded for pitching help.

 

W/o Sheets their 2009 rotation is a 1.b Ace and a whole lotta #3/#4 guys.

 

Gallardo

Suppan

Parra

Villanueva

Bush

[TruffleShuffle]

His BABIP reveals that Braun is not quite the hitter that he was in his rookie year, and his patience is garbage right now.

 

This move stinks to high heaven for several reasons. It would have been like us giving CPatt a 6 year deal after his one good August.

 

his ops is now up over .900, care to retract this statement?

[TruffleShuffle]

2 more homers today... corey patterson part II

[Flames24Rulz]

2 more homers today... corey patterson part II

 

DFA Braun.